Re: Topband: 160M 8 Circle Array for transmit

2016-03-04 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist


On 3/4/2016 1:51 PM, Dan Maguire via Topband wrote:

There are some fairly detailed 8-circle modeling studies in the last section on 
this page:

http://ac6la.com/aecollection6.html

Lots of illustrations and several url links for more info.

Dan, AC6LA
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I looked at that page.  That configuration is even larger than
what I decided on.  More acreage to get a little more gain at
the expense of increased sidelobes.  That was what made me look
at a smaller circle (although I have space for the larger circle).

I also looked at the Hi-Z array.  It is much smaller, but has
good gain and low sidelobes.  The disadvantage is that it is
relatively narrow band and very critical.  Also, you have to
feed all 8 antennas at once with 3 different phases.  I
suspect it would be difficult to make a transmit version.

The BSEF array I am using is very broadband and not critical,
and you only feed 4 antennas at a time.  Easy to feed as a
transmit array as well.  If you have the space for it, it
makes a lot of sense.  The 290 foot circle I am using may have
already been written up somewhere before.  It seems "obvious"
to me:  an octagon 1/2 wavelength across the flats.
I didn't read all the references.

Rick N6RK
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Re: Topband: 160M 8 Circle Array for transmit

2016-03-04 Thread Dan Maguire via Topband
Rick Karlquist wrote:
>>> Models well on EZNEC.

There are some fairly detailed 8-circle modeling studies in the last section on 
this page:

http://ac6la.com/aecollection6.html

Lots of illustrations and several url links for more info.

Dan, AC6LA
http://ac6la.com
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Re: Topband: 160M 8 Circle Array for transmit

2016-03-04 Thread Jim Brown

On Fri,3/4/2016 9:38 AM, Ray Higgins (W2RE) wrote:

Im looking for both spacing and phasing for 80M and 160M 8 Circle array for a 
QTH in Maine. I cant seem to find much information by searching online. Can 
someone point me in the right direction.


Hi Ray,

There are several ways to get azimuths from one QTH to another. One is 
DXAtlas, a very nice program from the guy who wrote Skimmer. It's not 
free, but there's a 30 day grace period when you can use it without paying.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: Topband: 160M 8 Circle Array for transmit

2016-03-04 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist

On 3/4/2016 10:46 AM, Ray Higgins (W2RE) wrote:

Let me clarify, Im looking for 160M and 80M  TRANSMIT  8 circle array not RX 
array.



Ray Higgins
W2RE.com



You asked about spacing and phasing.  There is absolutely
no reason why you can't also use the same spacing and phasing
(as my receive array) for your transmit array.

Rick N6RK
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Re: Topband: 160M 8 Circle Array for transmit

2016-03-04 Thread Ray Higgins (W2RE)
Let me clarify, Im looking for 160M and 80M  TRANSMIT  8 circle array not RX 
array.  

Thanks,

Ray Higgins
W2RE.com




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Re: Topband: 160M 8 Circle Array for transmit

2016-03-04 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist

On 3/4/2016 9:38 AM, Ray Higgins (W2RE) wrote:

Im looking for both spacing and phasing for 80M and 160M 8 Circle array for a 
QTH in Maine. I cant seem to find much information by searching online. Can 
someone point me in the right direction.

Ray Higgins
W2RE.com


I am currently building a receive system as follows:

Freq.: 1.83 MHz
Diameter: 290 ft
Phasing: 115 degrees
RDF: 12 dB

If we number the verticals 1 through 8 going around the
circle, amplitude is as follows:

1, 2, 5, 6: zero
3, 4, 7, 8: one

Phasing:

3, 8: zero
4, 7: 115 degrees

The distance from 3 to 8 is chosen to be exactly 1/2 wavelength.

The distance from 3 to 4 comes out to about 0.2 wavelength,
a useful spacing.

Models well on EZNEC.  Good gain, very low sidelobes.

Rick N6RK

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