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Hi By the way, TO7A feels great here : http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20191010-A4.pdf#page=1=auto,-12,848 I repeat - this rating is already doomed ... But still there is always a way out of the impasse. We need to create new, real ratings. For example, there are great competitions http://kkn.net/stew/ We must make them more and more popular. Increase rewards. In general, to popularize only where coyotes-swindlers cannot penetrate. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Mike Smith VE9AA писал 2019-10-09 23:28: I more-or-less know who a lot of the good guys are and who some of the 'bad' guys are (TO7A for example) and the good guys get my true respect and the 'bad' guys don't. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Contacts made using remote stations located someplace much closer than the Ukraine. There are many many many other abusers doing this. On 10/9/2019 4:47 PM, jayb1...@optonline.net wrote: what are we talking about here ?? Are stations claiming qsos they didn’t make ? how would they get DXCC credit for them if the other station didn’t agree either by an LOTW response or a QSL card ?they forging QSL cards ? if there is any doubt about a QSL card’s validity, it seems to me the ARRL DXCC desk can easily query the other station and ask them to verify the qso ? what am I missing ? tnx Jay NY2NY 10 band DXCC... _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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what are we talking about here ?? Are stations claiming qsos they didn’t make ? how would they get DXCC credit for them if the other station didn’t agree either by an LOTW response or a QSL card ?they forging QSL cards ? if there is any doubt about a QSL card’s validity, it seems to me the ARRL DXCC desk can easily query the other station and ask them to verify the qso ? what am I missing ? tnx Jay NY2NY 10 band DXCC... _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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whats the issue ?? _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Cheating goes back a long ways. It surely predates ham radio by eons. I know personally, when I was on Sable Island in 1996 as CY0AA we got QSL cards for impossible QSO's. ie: 6m cards from the Netherlands when I worked NONE. Another 1 or 2, 160m cards for noontime local. I tossed them in the trashbin. Way back when I first got on 6m in the early 1990's I heard a K7 station working EU when no such path existed. I came to find out after some months that this stn was using a telephone remote to a station in Maine, yet he was always giving his CN87 (or whatever it was) gridsquare. I saw 160m QSO's being completed on packet radio before Internet radio chat pages like on4kst.com even existed. Once I figured out guys were doing all this it sorta ruined the lure of DXCC for me, thus I do not apply for very many awards and certainly not DXCC.so you won't see my call on any 6m DXCC list, even though I am probably the 3rd to achieve it and surely rank at or near the top in Canada nowadays. I've "worked" Italians on 80m and 160m when I am sure it was 2 hours past sunrise over there and they were 20/9 here in New Brunswick, (no doubt some kind of Internet Remote) I keep track of all my DXCC's, VUCC's, US States,Zones and whatnot on paper, in my shack for my eyes only or if any visitor wants to see them. Nobody cares if I have 150 DXCC's on 6m , 200 mobile HF dxcc's (combined) or if I claim to have 378 DXCC's on 160m. (I am just making those numbers up by the way) I certainly take it with a grain of salt when I see near-impossible QSO's like on your list reported. I more-or-less know who a lot of the good guys are and who some of the 'bad' guys are (TO7A for example) and the good guys get my true respect and the 'bad' guys don't. I know it's hard to stomach, but for the Ukrainian reporter of the 'bad guys'.try to ignore them. Their supposed accomplishments do not diminish your own. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Greg, apparently, is a very kind person and believes in justice - But for justice, something needs to be done. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Paolo Zaffi писал 2019-10-09 21:37: Il 09/10/2019 20:04, n...@windstream.net ha scritto: DXCC card checkers have to put the QSO time on sheets that are submitted for DXCC. I believe that no one pays attention to the timetable, and nobody pays attention to the report written by the controller if the QSL seems false. Don't worry: with LOTW situation is much worse... :-) Paolo I4EWH _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Il 09/10/2019 20:04, n...@windstream.net ha scritto: DXCC card checkers have to put the QSO time on sheets that are submitted for DXCC. I believe that no one pays attention to the timetable, and nobody pays attention to the report written by the controller if the QSL seems false. Don't worry: with LOTW situation is much worse... :-) Paolo I4EWH _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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DXCC card checkers have to put the QSO time on sheets that are submitted for DXCC. If the station did not work ZK3A at a time that is reasonable based on sunrise/sunset, then ARRL will not count the credit. A station could theoretically use a remote station that had propagation to the DX during a period of darkness in the Ukraine but if they do, they cheat themselves. How can you be so sure that there was not a short sunrise or sunset opening to Ukraine that allowed the stations to make the contact? Were there any DX cluster spots from the Ukraine when they worked them? I have worked 4S7 and VU from the USA and believe me the opening was SHORT and rare -- but not impossible. In the case of the 4S7 there were half a dozen 4's all in the same general area who were the only ones who heard the 4S7. If I remember, N4NN, NX4D, N4PN and I were the only ones to work him...but there may have been one or two others. Spotlight propagation. If the cheaters cheat, it doesn't hurt you...it only discredits them. If they show up on a DXCC list and everyone knows they cheat, they get no glory. The top guys on 160 know who is legitimate. It's not worth worrying about. The DXCC desk will do whatever possible to detect and penalize cheating but sometimes it is difficult. The ZK3A guys likely have a good feel for whether the Ukraine stations they worked were using remote or were legit. 73, Greg-N4CC -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of uy0zg Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:38 AM To: Paolo Zaffi Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: ZK3A . They want to have this country for farce. In their understanding, this is very prestigious ... Of course, not everyone will qualify for DXCC today. But the ARRL leadership needs to do at least something. At least to find a way to catch these coyotes receiving via WEB.SDR --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Paolo Zaffi писал 2019-10-09 19:50: > Il 09/10/2019 09:14, uy0zg wrote: > >> Who will stop this idiocy? > > > The DXCC Desk, if they want. The question is: they will do it? > > Regards > > Paolo I4EWH > > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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They want to have this country for farce. In their understanding, this is very prestigious ... Of course, not everyone will qualify for DXCC today. But the ARRL leadership needs to do at least something. At least to find a way to catch these coyotes receiving via WEB.SDR --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Paolo Zaffi писал 2019-10-09 19:50: Il 09/10/2019 09:14, uy0zg wrote: Who will stop this idiocy? The DXCC Desk, if they want. The question is: they will do it? Regards Paolo I4EWH _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Il 09/10/2019 09:14, uy0zg wrote: Who will stop this idiocy? The DXCC Desk, if they want. The question is: they will do it? Regards Paolo I4EWH _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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If it were just a hoax, it would be easier. this is an epidemic of a terrible disease. This ruins the meaning of topband dx ... First of all, most of these people do not need rewards. They are driven by envy and stupidity. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-10-09 17:51: I have been told over and over that people don't cheat that much. They do. It is a shame that people have to cheat for a an award they pay for. What is the limit to cheating? None.. On 10/9/2019 1:14 AM, uy0zg wrote: Hi How can you calmly look at it? : This is only from Donetsk without RX and even TX antennas on 160 : UX1IM UT1IR UT2IV UX2IQ UX2IO UT3IB UX3IW UT3IW IT3IZ UX3IO UT3IJ UR5IRM UY5VA UW5IM UR5IFB UR6IM US7IO UT7IY UT7IA UR8IF US8ICM UY0IM The same thing is Lugansk, the Dnieper and more ... https://clublog.org/charts/?c=ZK3A Who will stop this idiocy? In a year or two this will finally kill the topband : http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20191009-A4.pdf#page=1=auto,-12,848 _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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I have been told over and over that people don't cheat that much. They do. It is a shame that people have to cheat for a an award they pay for. What is the limit to cheating? None.. On 10/9/2019 1:14 AM, uy0zg wrote: Hi How can you calmly look at it? : This is only from Donetsk without RX and even TX antennas on 160 : UX1IM UT1IR UT2IV UX2IQ UX2IO UT3IB UX3IW UT3IW IT3IZ UX3IO UT3IJ UR5IRM UY5VA UW5IM UR5IFB UR6IM US7IO UT7IY UT7IA UR8IF US8ICM UY0IM The same thing is Lugansk, the Dnieper and more ... https://clublog.org/charts/?c=ZK3A Who will stop this idiocy? In a year or two this will finally kill the topband : http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-160M-20191009-A4.pdf#page=1=auto,-12,848 _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Shelby Not all their computers logs as of the online time stamp get fed into the online database. Sometimes it takes another 12 to 24 hours for a particular stations logs (As I recall there are at least 3 stations on the air at all-times) to get uploaded. The reported time stamp is a bit misleading. If you feel really good about your QSO it will likely show up later tonight, if you had a "iffy" qso they have as much as said make an insurance contact tomorrow Dave NR1DX On 10/8/2019 2:39 PM, Brian Campbell wrote: Hi Shelby, The exact same thing happened to me. However on a later update both the 160 CW and FT8 QSOs were in the log. 73, Brian VE3MGY From: Topband on behalf of ShelbyK4WW Sent: October 8, 2019 2:21:52 PM To: Topband Reflector Subject: Topband: ZK3A Anyone else work ZK3A today about 0610Z, and the contact not appearing in their online log search? Online log search indicates last QSO is database: 08/10/2019 1103Z Thanks 73, Shelby - K4WW As I don't have an iPad nor iPhone, sent from my PC _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector -- Dave manu...@artekmanuals.com www.ArtekManuals.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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I had to work them twice on 40 (2nd time made it) and 30 (not uploaded yet) after solid Q's the first time that didn't make it into the log. I'm not surprised that you ran into this. Possibly a transcription issue under less than ideal condx. 73, Bill WE5P > > On Oct 8, 2019 at 14:21, ShelbyK4WWwrote: > > > Anyone else work ZK3A today about 0610Z, and the contact not appearing in > their online log search? Online log search indicates last QSO is database: > 08/10/2019 1103Z Thanks 73, Shelby - K4WW As I don't have an iPad nor iPhone, > sent from my PC _ Searchable Archives: > http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Hi Shelby, The exact same thing happened to me. However on a later update both the 160 CW and FT8 QSOs were in the log. 73, Brian VE3MGY From: Topband on behalf of ShelbyK4WW Sent: October 8, 2019 2:21:52 PM To: Topband Reflector Subject: Topband: ZK3A Anyone else work ZK3A today about 0610Z, and the contact not appearing in their online log search? Online log search indicates last QSO is database: 08/10/2019 1103Z Thanks 73, Shelby - K4WW As I don't have an iPad nor iPhone, sent from my PC _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Yes, I worked them at 0600Z on FT8, and it is not yet appearing. Hopefully the next log update will have them in there. 73, Joel - N9LQ On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 1:22 PM ShelbyK4WW wrote: > Anyone else work ZK3A today about 0610Z, and the contact not appearing in > their online log search? Online log search indicates last QSO is database: > 08/10/2019 1103Z > Thanks > > 73, Shelby - K4WW > As I don't have an iPad nor iPhone, sent from my PC > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
