Topband: Blame it on global warming
According to this study low frequency propagation is affected by atmospheric temperature changes http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Radio_Waves_Carry_News_of_Climate_Change_999.html _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
Scientwists are trying to prove that it is all human fault, causing global (warming) climate change. The reality is that we are getting just about all energy from the sun. We know about the sunspot cycles. Low sunspot activity (less energy from sun) causes (iono)atmosphere to shrink, the layer's height decreases. Iono-atmosphere gets more dense, producing more extreme weather and changes in HF propagation patterns, we know so well. If gaseous envelope shrinks, of course it shows as decreasing temperatures on the outside. (Thermodynamics) Sun has huge fluctuations in its furnace and Algores can do nothing about it (besides scheming taxes). Blaming humans to cause climate change is like having Obama pee in the ocean and cause global flooding. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com http://www.MVmanor.com On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 06:25 AM, N7DF wrote: According to this study low frequency propagation is affected by atmospheric temperature changes http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Radio_Waves_Carry_News_of_Climate_Change_999.html _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
This is the original research paper: http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/space/Silber_etal_2013_as_accpeted.pdf Global warming is an indisputable fact, the cause is subject to much debate. Please, lets keep politics off of this reflector, science and politics don't mix well. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Yuri Blanarovich k...@optimum.net To: N7DF n...@yahoo.com Cc: topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:55:20 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming Scientwists are trying to prove that it is all human fault, causing global (warming) climate change. The reality is that we are getting just about all energy from the sun. We know about the sunspot cycles. Low sunspot activity (less energy from sun) causes (iono)atmosphere to shrink, the layer's height decreases. Iono-atmosphere gets more dense, producing more extreme weather and changes in HF propagation patterns, we know so well. If gaseous envelope shrinks, of course it shows as decreasing temperatures on the outside. (Thermodynamics) Sun has huge fluctuations in its furnace and Algores can do nothing about it (besides scheming taxes). Blaming humans to cause climate change is like having Obama pee in the ocean and cause global flooding. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com http://www.MVmanor.com On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 06:25 AM, N7DF wrote: According to this study low frequency propagation is affected by atmospheric temperature changes http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Radio_Waves_Carry_News_of_Climate_Change_999.html _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
Global warming is an indisputable fact, Global warming is a very disputable fact and certainly bad science. While average temperatures are certainly higher than during the great ice ages they are still much lower (as are CO2 levels) than during eras in which much of the earth's surface was heavily forested. The mere presence of large oil and coal deposits in arid and frozen areas shows that neither of those climate extremes are permanent. Please spare us the defense of political science. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/5/2013 10:31 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: This is the original research paper: http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/space/Silber_etal_2013_as_accpeted.pdf Global warming is an indisputable fact, the cause is subject to much debate. Please, lets keep politics off of this reflector, science and politics don't mix well. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Yuri Blanarovich k...@optimum.net To: N7DF n...@yahoo.com Cc: topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:55:20 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming Scientwists are trying to prove that it is all human fault, causing global (warming) climate change. The reality is that we are getting just about all energy from the sun. We know about the sunspot cycles. Low sunspot activity (less energy from sun) causes (iono)atmosphere to shrink, the layer's height decreases. Iono-atmosphere gets more dense, producing more extreme weather and changes in HF propagation patterns, we know so well. If gaseous envelope shrinks, of course it shows as decreasing temperatures on the outside. (Thermodynamics) Sun has huge fluctuations in its furnace and Algores can do nothing about it (besides scheming taxes). Blaming humans to cause climate change is like having Obama pee in the ocean and cause global flooding. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com http://www.MVmanor.com On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 06:25 AM, N7DF wrote: According to this study low frequency propagation is affected by atmospheric temperature changes http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Radio_Waves_Carry_News_of_Climate_Change_999.html _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
It's very disputable...but I agree politics should be kept off the reflector. 73, Greg-N4CC On Monday, August 5, 2013 10:31 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: This is the original research paper: http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/space/Silber_etal_2013_as_accpeted.pdf Global warming is an indisputable fact, the cause is subject to much debate. Please, lets keep politics off of this reflector, science and politics don't mix well. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Yuri Blanarovich k...@optimum.net To: N7DF n...@yahoo.com Cc: topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:55:20 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming Scientwists are trying to prove that it is all human fault, causing global (warming) climate change. The reality is that we are getting just about all energy from the sun. We know about the sunspot cycles. Low sunspot activity (less energy from sun) causes (iono)atmosphere to shrink, the layer's height decreases. Iono-atmosphere gets more dense, producing more extreme weather and changes in HF propagation patterns, we know so well. If gaseous envelope shrinks, of course it shows as decreasing temperatures on the outside. (Thermodynamics) Sun has huge fluctuations in its furnace and Algores can do nothing about it (besides scheming taxes). Blaming humans to cause climate change is like having Obama pee in the ocean and cause global flooding. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com http://www.MVmanor.com On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 06:25 AM, N7DF wrote: According to this study low frequency propagation is affected by atmospheric temperature changes http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Radio_Waves_Carry_News_of_Climate_Change_999 .html _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
Doom/boom politics aside, it seems to be interesting data to examine nonetheless. I'll not dare knock propagation research, so long as it's carried out within good radioscience. Agreed that the claim of T driving H(ionosphere) is a bit strange... at least it's the first time I've seen such a claim. Yuri's explanation of heliosphereic/magnetic matters falls in line with everything I've studied. Shame there's not a link to the actual paper -- I've tried searching elsewhere to no avail. 73, - Josh / KF4YLM On 8/5/2013 9:55 AM, Yuri Blanarovich wrote: Scientwists are trying to prove that it is all human fault, causing global (warming) climate change. The reality is that we are getting just about all energy from the sun. We know about the sunspot cycles. Low sunspot activity (less energy from sun) causes (iono)atmosphere to shrink, the layer's height decreases. Iono-atmosphere gets more dense, producing more extreme weather and changes in HF propagation patterns, we know so well. If gaseous envelope shrinks, of course it shows as decreasing temperatures on the outside. (Thermodynamics) Sun has huge fluctuations in its furnace and Algores can do nothing about it (besides scheming taxes). Blaming humans to cause climate change is like having Obama pee in the ocean and cause global flooding. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com http://www.MVmanor.com On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 06:25 AM, N7DF wrote: According to this study low frequency propagation is affected by atmospheric temperature changes http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Radio_Waves_Carry_News_of_Climate_Change_999.html _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
Please If I want a discussion on global warming, I'll sign on to the Huff Post. This site is for topband info. Bill K4XS/KH7XS _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
Well said, Bill. 73/jeff/ac0c www.ac0c.com alpha-charlie-zero-charlie -Original Message- From: cqtestk...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:03 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming Please If I want a discussion on global warming, I'll sign on to the Huff Post. This site is for topband info. Bill K4XS/KH7XS _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
This discussion involves current scientific research of the D and E layers of the ionosphere that are within the thermosphere and parts of the mesophere. The D and E layers profoundly impact Topband propagation. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Jeff Blaine j...@ac0c.com To: cqtestk...@aol.com, topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 5:10:59 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming Well said, Bill. 73/jeff/ac0c www.ac0c.com alpha-charlie-zero-charlie -Original Message- From: cqtestk...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:03 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming Please If I want a discussion on global warming, I'll sign on to the Huff Post. This site is for topband info. Bill K4XS/KH7XS _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Blame it on global warming
This discussion involves current scientific research of the D and E layers of the ionosphere that are within the thermosphere and parts of the mesophere. The D and E layers profoundly impact Topband propagation. I think the problem is the completely off-topic political rants started, instead of serious, logical, rational, discussions or debate about the technical content of the article. _ Topband Reflector
