Re: Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
amen, Cecil.. 73, w5xz, dan On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 5:45:49 PM CDT, Cecil wrote: It seems to be a recurring issue herecan’t shake the elitist attitude. Do what you enjoy doing...don’t beat others up for doing the same...if you find yourself alone re-evaluate... Cecil Sent from my iPad > On May 29, 2019, at 5:39 PM, DXer wrote: > > Really sad to see that this 'comet' is already back in Topband 'orbit'. > > Do we have new list members, by any chance? People that are hearing/reading > about FT8 on topband for the first time? > > Nobody went to Dayton last week? What about the Topband Dinner? I was there, > and FT8 was not an issue. > > I must have missed the 'multitude' of posts about the Hamvention. > > 73 de Vince, VA3VF > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
It seems to be a recurring issue herecan’t shake the elitist attitude. Do what you enjoy doing...don’t beat others up for doing the same...if you find yourself alone re-evaluate... Cecil Sent from my iPad > On May 29, 2019, at 5:39 PM, DXer wrote: > > Really sad to see that this 'comet' is already back in Topband 'orbit'. > > Do we have new list members, by any chance? People that are hearing/reading > about FT8 on topband for the first time? > > Nobody went to Dayton last week? What about the Topband Dinner? I was there, > and FT8 was not an issue. > > I must have missed the 'multitude' of posts about the Hamvention. > > 73 de Vince, VA3VF > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
Really sad to see that this 'comet' is already back in Topband 'orbit'. Do we have new list members, by any chance? People that are hearing/reading about FT8 on topband for the first time? Nobody went to Dayton last week? What about the Topband Dinner? I was there, and FT8 was not an issue. I must have missed the 'multitude' of posts about the Hamvention. 73 de Vince, VA3VF _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
AMEN... Pass the cornbread! K5DL Sent from my iPad > On May 29, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Eric Rosenberg > wrote: > > As one who has operated from obscure locatons (including 9L, J2, and YJ) > with gear that I carried on an airplane, I find your comments both naive > and snobbish. > > As I write this, I'm sitting in a room on small island (PJ7) running QRP > FT8 into a loop antenna on the balcony. Although I made a couple of Q's on > CW, my intent was to use FT8. All keyboarding... no mic or paddle. > > It's been lots of fun, and that's what ham radio is all about. TheFT8 UI > has lots of fascinating information, much of which I can use for future > travel. > > I'm not here to win any prizes or awards. I do have the extreme > satisfaction of giving 25 stations this rare mult during the WPX contest, > and making many more FT8 contacts as I've been on nightly for short periods > of time over the last couple of nights. > > And yes, they will all get paper QSL cads (remember them?). No computers > running in your shack? No need for LoTW! > > Remember when folks said SSB would kill ham radio? how about PSK vs RTTY? > AM vs FM on the VHF bands? The list goes on: packet clusters, the reverse > beacon network, LoTW, panadapters. Add FT8 as the latest cause of the > demise and/or death of CW, contesting, and ham radio (any or all of them). > What's next? > > So get off your high horse. It's not about you, it's about the guy on the > other end... the one *without* a tower, *without* a yagi, *without* an > amplifier and all the gizmos you may have. The guy who worked hard to work > you and then sent you a card via the bureau. Don't forget him! > > 73, > Eric W3DQ > At the moment PJ7/W3DQ > > -- > On Tue, 28 May 2019, Mark K3MSB wrote: > > I spent 9 days in Haiti as HH6/K3MSB a few weeks ago on a missions trip to > Les Cayes, which is in the remote southwestern part of the island. As the > fellow I was traveling with was a ham, we of course hung some wires at our > guest house and had some on-the-air fun. This was good as there really > isn't much to do in the evenings down there. Actually, aside from > reading, there isn't anything to do in the evenings down there.But I > digress. > > To protect the innocent (or the guilty) I'll call my friend “John”. > > I did CW and John did some CW but mainly FT-8.John wanted me to do some > FT-8, but after watching him for a bit I said to “wake me when it's time > for some real radio”. I've seen FT-8 before and I just can't get into > it. I can't get into any computer mode, mainly because I've been a software > engineer for almost 40 year and dealing with computers at home is a > non-starter with me.I like ARC-5s, BC-348s, and Navy RBB's > myself..But again, I digress.. > > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
As one who has operated from obscure locatons (including 9L, J2, and YJ) with gear that I carried on an airplane, I find your comments both naive and snobbish. As I write this, I'm sitting in a room on small island (PJ7) running QRP FT8 into a loop antenna on the balcony. Although I made a couple of Q's on CW, my intent was to use FT8. All keyboarding... no mic or paddle. It's been lots of fun, and that's what ham radio is all about. TheFT8 UI has lots of fascinating information, much of which I can use for future travel. I'm not here to win any prizes or awards. I do have the extreme satisfaction of giving 25 stations this rare mult during the WPX contest, and making many more FT8 contacts as I've been on nightly for short periods of time over the last couple of nights. And yes, they will all get paper QSL cads (remember them?). No computers running in your shack? No need for LoTW! Remember when folks said SSB would kill ham radio? how about PSK vs RTTY? AM vs FM on the VHF bands? The list goes on: packet clusters, the reverse beacon network, LoTW, panadapters. Add FT8 as the latest cause of the demise and/or death of CW, contesting, and ham radio (any or all of them). What's next? So get off your high horse. It's not about you, it's about the guy on the other end... the one *without* a tower, *without* a yagi, *without* an amplifier and all the gizmos you may have. The guy who worked hard to work you and then sent you a card via the bureau. Don't forget him! 73, Eric W3DQ At the moment PJ7/W3DQ -- On Tue, 28 May 2019, Mark K3MSB wrote: I spent 9 days in Haiti as HH6/K3MSB a few weeks ago on a missions trip to Les Cayes, which is in the remote southwestern part of the island. As the fellow I was traveling with was a ham, we of course hung some wires at our guest house and had some on-the-air fun. This was good as there really isn't much to do in the evenings down there. Actually, aside from reading, there isn't anything to do in the evenings down there.But I digress. To protect the innocent (or the guilty) I'll call my friend “John”. I did CW and John did some CW but mainly FT-8.John wanted me to do some FT-8, but after watching him for a bit I said to “wake me when it's time for some real radio”. I've seen FT-8 before and I just can't get into it. I can't get into any computer mode, mainly because I've been a software engineer for almost 40 year and dealing with computers at home is a non-starter with me.I like ARC-5s, BC-348s, and Navy RBB's myself..But again, I digress.. _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
amen to another computer free shack. I too waste much time on 'puters as it is. however to each their own. I did enjoy the story. Renée, k6fsb On 2019-05-29 5:57 a.m., Rob Atkinson wrote: I can't get into any computer mode, mainly because I've been a software engineer for almost 40 year and dealing with computers at home is a non-starter with me.I like ARC-5s, BC-348s, and Navy RBB's myself.. Same here. Computer science major; 30 years in front of monitors and keyboards all day; database management, writing codeand I know hams who spend days and days fiddling with PCs and logging softwareWhy? What a waste of valuable radio time in my opinion. Not only do I reject computer "modes," but I run a computer free shack. Great FT8 story by the way. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector . _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
Back in the good old days, all we had was PSK-31 and we were proud to have it. It was uphill both ways in the snow. Don W4DNR Quoting Rob Atkinson : I can't get into any computer mode, mainly because I've been a software engineer for almost 40 year and dealing with computers at home is a non-starter with me.I like ARC-5s, BC-348s, and Navy RBB's myself.. Same here. Computer science major; 30 years in front of monitors and keyboards all day; database management, writing codeand I know hams who spend days and days fiddling with PCs and logging softwareWhy? What a waste of valuable radio time in my opinion. Not only do I reject computer "modes," but I run a computer free shack. Great FT8 story by the way. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
> I can't get into any computer mode, mainly because I've been a software >engineer for almost 40 year and dealing with computers at home is a >non-starter with me.I like ARC-5s, BC-348s, and Navy RBB's >myself.. Same here. Computer science major; 30 years in front of monitors and keyboards all day; database management, writing codeand I know hams who spend days and days fiddling with PCs and logging softwareWhy? What a waste of valuable radio time in my opinion. Not only do I reject computer "modes," but I run a computer free shack. Great FT8 story by the way. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience
I spent 9 days in Haiti as HH6/K3MSB a few weeks ago on a missions trip to Les Cayes, which is in the remote southwestern part of the island. As the fellow I was traveling with was a ham, we of course hung some wires at our guest house and had some on-the-air fun. This was good as there really isn't much to do in the evenings down there. Actually, aside from reading, there isn't anything to do in the evenings down there.But I digress. To protect the innocent (or the guilty) I'll call my friend “John”. I did CW and John did some CW but mainly FT-8.John wanted me to do some FT-8, but after watching him for a bit I said to “wake me when it's time for some real radio”. I've seen FT-8 before and I just can't get into it. I can't get into any computer mode, mainly because I've been a software engineer for almost 40 year and dealing with computers at home is a non-starter with me.I like ARC-5s, BC-348s, and Navy RBB's myself..But again, I digress One evening I went to sleep with John doing his FT-8 thing – we shared a room. I awoke around 0100 local and looked at John and I wondered if he was asleep or dead.I watched him for a good two minutes before he finally moved.He hit something on the keyboard and then went immobile for another minute or so. Sleeping or dead?This cycle repeated itself until the I was fairly sure death was not in the equation and I went back to sleep. Knowing John wasn't dead was a relief as we didn't have air conditioning there, and I'm sure things would have gotten smelly rather quickly. A few days later FT-8 came up again and I said I've always maintained it's not a “real” mode as it's computer to computer with almost no human interaction except hitting a key every now and then. He then tried to impress me. John said “But I can do other things while making a QSO!”.He initiated an FT-8 QSO then. wait for it. went to the bathroom.Upon his return he triumphantly showed me he had made a QSO “while in the bathroom”. I can't remember hearing the toilet flush, so I'm not sure what he was doing in the bathroom, but I do know that concurrent with his activity in the bathroom, he did in fact make an FT-8 QSO. I told him I saw no reason for me to change my views on FT-8. He made a lot more QSOs than I did I guess that's good. As an aside, I did carry a 160M Dipole with me (had to get my money's worth for the checked baggage fee..). We had planned to spend one night on 160 with a dipole hung off the 250 Ft transmitter tower, but logistically we just couldn't do it. Hopefully next time towards the fall of the year!! 73 Mark K3MSB & HH6/K3MSB _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
