Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
The joys of Internet DXing!! Everybody that comes on is swamped by packet-rats!! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Grimm Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:37 AM To: GALE STEWARD Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M And how about the clown last night, around 10pm his local time, when TI9/3Z9DX was working EU, who got on his frequency and said, NA NA NA, I'm tired and need my sleep. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. 73, Ken - K4XL On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:18 AM, GALE STEWARD via Topband topband@contesting.com wrote: Exactly the point, Steve! A bunch of the guys around here worked them on 160 at 0800Z (that's 3AM here). My 160 QSO was around 1030Z. I'm really dating myself but back in the day the only way to snag some new ones on 80/160 was to be checking the bands in the middle of the night. No internet cluster, etc. It's actually a lot easier these days (my opinion). When my daughter was an infant this was easier as I was usually up in the middle of the night at least once! 73, Stew K3ND From: Steve Flood kk...@bresnan.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Great points Chet. Under the Be there category, consider getting up in the middle of the night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of their operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on 160-80-40 with 100 watts and no pileups. Steve KK7UV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor politician. - Carlos Hank González _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Great points Chet. Under the Be there category, consider getting up in the middle of the night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of their operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on 160-80-40 with 100 watts and no pileups. Steve KK7UV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Exactly the point, Steve! A bunch of the guys around here worked them on 160 at 0800Z (that's 3AM here). My 160 QSO was around 1030Z. I'm really dating myself but back in the day the only way to snag some new ones on 80/160 was to be checking the bands in the middle of the night. No internet cluster, etc. It's actually a lot easier these days (my opinion). When my daughter was an infant this was easier as I was usually up in the middle of the night at least once! 73, Stew K3ND From: Steve Flood kk...@bresnan.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Great points Chet. Under the Be there category, consider getting up in the middle of the night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of their operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on 160-80-40 with 100 watts and no pileups. Steve KK7UV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
And how about the clown last night, around 10pm his local time, when TI9/3Z9DX was working EU, who got on his frequency and said, NA NA NA, I'm tired and need my sleep. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. 73, Ken - K4XL On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:18 AM, GALE STEWARD via Topband topband@contesting.com wrote: Exactly the point, Steve! A bunch of the guys around here worked them on 160 at 0800Z (that's 3AM here). My 160 QSO was around 1030Z. I'm really dating myself but back in the day the only way to snag some new ones on 80/160 was to be checking the bands in the middle of the night. No internet cluster, etc. It's actually a lot easier these days (my opinion). When my daughter was an infant this was easier as I was usually up in the middle of the night at least once! 73, Stew K3ND From: Steve Flood kk...@bresnan.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Great points Chet. Under the Be there category, consider getting up in the middle of the night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of their operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on 160-80-40 with 100 watts and no pileups. Steve KK7UV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor politician. - Carlos Hank González _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On Wed,2/18/2015 9:44 AM, Mike wrote: what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 You could upgrade to Extra. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal once in a while weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On 2/18/2015 4:56 PM, Larry Burke wrote: Hi Larry, We now live in an entitlement minded society. All are suppose to have equal access to everything, regardless of personal preparation. Just because you have an extra class license, bigger antennas, and more operating savvy shouldn't give you any advantage over the guy who does not have these things! :-) Dave, W5UN With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Mike, no one is jumping all over you. As has already been pointed out by someone else, one thing that is in your control is your license class. This expedition was announced several months ago, not two days before it started. If you choose not to upgrade you will come away from future expeditions feeling the same way. There's a reason they call it incentive licensing. As for 60m, the choice to have -- or not have -- an antenna or tuner is, again, within your control. They were on 60m three evenings in a row. I know several people who put up a 60m antenna just for this. Not a lot of wire involved if you really wanted to work them. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:44 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal once in a while weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal once in a while weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Extra Class I am sure that my wife could get her General and Extra class license by studying for one weekend or less, if she wanted to. When I got my Extra in 1968. There were no privileges. The test was send and receive code at 20WPM and the written test had many diagrams to draw. Not quite the same today. 73 de Price W0RI On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:56 PM, Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com wrote: On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal once in a while weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On 2/18/2015 2:56 PM, Larry wrote: I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. This is speculation and depends entirely on who is in charge at the Interior Department-FWL etc. It could happen a lot sooner and depends on how the request is crafted such as a combined scientific study with radio support as happened in 1969 with a ecological study from the University of Miami. A study of the rat population may sound silly to some but unusual things like this can take precedence at Interior in getting the application fast tracked. Additionally, as administrations change, as is certain in 2016, so could established policies. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
As I recall, I drove to Tucson (120 miles one way) and took the 20 WPM Extra Class test on a Saturday in 1991. A month later (spent studying for the written test) I went back to the same place to take the written test. Fortunately, I passed both. The 20 WPM test was, of course, more difficult than the 13 WPM General Class test that I took at the FCC office in Norfolk, VA; in 1955.but the written test for the Extra Class was, for me, easier that the written testfor the General Class test taken in 1955. On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:24 PM, HAROLD SMITH JR w0ri...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Extra Class I am sure that my wife could get her General and Extra class license by studying for one weekend or less, if she wanted to. When I got my Extra in 1968. There were no privileges. The test was send and receive code at 20WPM and the written test had many diagrams to draw. Not quite the same today. 73 de Price W0RI On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:56 PM, Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com wrote: On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal once in a while weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Interesting how things can jog a memory... My dad wanted me to be the youngest ham back in 1957 and he pushed me to learn all the required circuits which I might have been able to do all considering how quickly young kids absorb information. The spoiler for me was the code more than the formulae. I remember having difficulty as I'd learned to think dit dah instead of hear the character. Thus ended my quest to get the license till 1979 I quickly tired of the BS on CB, met up with a ham at my college, passed the Novice at the hands of my Elmer N1AMC (SK) at FARA, the local club in Fairfield, CT. Another year later after three trips to the FCC in NYC I had the extra. Funny, the CW was so much easier later in life but the formulas were much harder to remember. Interesting how things turn. 73, Gary KA1J As I recall, I drove to Tucson (120 miles one way) and took the 20 WPM Extra Class test on a Saturday in 1991. A month later (spent studying for the written test) I went back to the same place to take the written test. Fortunately, I passed both. The 20 WPM test was, of course, more difficult than the 13 WPM General Class test that I took at the FCC office in Norfolk, VA; in 1955.but the written test for the Extra Class was, for me, easier that the written testfor the General Class test taken in 1955. On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:24 PM, HAROLD SMITH JR w0ri...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Extra Class I am sure that my wife could get her General and Extra class license by studying for one weekend or less, if she wanted to. When I got my Extra in 1968. There were no privileges. The test was send and receive code at 20WPM and the written test had many diagrams to draw. Not quite the same today. 73 de Price W0RI On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:56 PM, Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com wrote: On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal once in a while weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
note to all stateside K1N detractors Here are some things that will hopefully be in the DX'ING FOR DUMMIES BOOK 1. K1N is over. I am not convinced that any group anywhere did it better. that applies to all bands more specifically 160 meters. 2. NEWS FLASH! There will be other dx peditions in the future. Only 2 days notice??? We Had several months notice of the proposed K1N operation. If you are not subscribed to the daily dx, the weekly dx, the NJDXA bulletin, the ARRL DX Bulletin,the KB8NW DX bulletin some of which are free, you should look into it. Engraved notices were not sent out and it is your own fault for not having enough notice. 3. Missing K1n which was basically in your back yard should be part of your lessons learned after action report. If your station could not make a K1N contact, it was either an operator malfunction or your station needs some work. 4. If you do not have an extra class license, upgrade it or stop complaining about it. No code licenses have been here for years. CW is no longer a barrier to upgading your license. There are 11 year old kids with extra class licenses. Take your radio clubs next license upgrade class. If I were you I would Sign up for that class TODAY. Think of it another way. If you can operate CW, that gives you 9 more band opportunities where you can work them. why limit yourself needlessly. Bonus, even more band opportunities are available if you radio does RTTY. 5. No antenna for 160 or 60 meters? Start building your antenna TODAY. 6. No match box to load your antenna up on other bands? Buy or build one TODAY. 7. If your xyl is nagging you about Saturdays spent listening to the dx bands? Send her out to a spa for the day you want to devote to dxing. You might be surprised to find her asking you if you have any other days you would like to devote to dx-ing. In some circles this is called a win-win situation. 8.If your radio does not do 20 kc splits, TODAY would be a good day to upgrade your radio, buy or build a VFO Or live dangerously and read the manual for the radio you have now. 9 Be there !! You can be right at your radio and still miss announcements of where the dx is listening. If you are out of the room listening on a speaker 15 feet away it is easy to miss the DX station announcing he has shifted from listening 5 kcs up to listening 5 kcs down. Listening from across the room almost assures that you will miss announcements of this type, especially in a heavy DQRM situation such as EU only, NA only, ATNO, QRX-5 fueling generator etc. 10. Requesting or suggesting the dx station should go to another band, general sub bands or other requests via DX-Watch or sending a thank you on the packet cluster? Please know that the individual operators on most dx-peditions are not watching the dx cluster nor do they have dx watch on their cell phone even if they had enough signal to do so. Further, most of the american dx ops do not know all of the sub bands by memory and for sure, the dx ops from other countries do not know and could not care less about the general sub bands. 11. Just because a web site mentions or does not mention a band, or sub band or a band they plan to concentrate on does not mean they will or will not cover it. Radios and antennas fail or may have to be shared between several bands. If you read the pre dx-pedition freq plan for K1N. Their initial plan was to work 10M SSB and not do any 10 CW. Even so, I noted a significant amount of Q's were made on 10 cw. Again, you have to BE THERE. You snooze? YOU LOSE !!! 12. Most importantly of all, If you did not CONTRIBUTE to a specific DX-pedition, I really think you should refrain from complaining about it. A list of donors can often be found on the dx-pedition web site by clicking on the donor button. 13. If you are a casual weekend dx'er with a casual station, you should not be surprised or disappointed when you get CASUAL RESULTS. After reading this if you are still looking for someone to blame when you miss the next dx-pedition, take A long look in the mirror. 73 Chet N4FX -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was in my control of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . On 02/18/2015 08:02 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Not all that often, initiallyon 80 they stayed down in the extra segment for several days so I e-mailed the NA pilot and requested he pass on them that there are a lot of general class hams needing to work them so they need to get up near that portion of the band and work up. His reply -- I'll pass that on, Jim, that's a reasonable request --- very telling, 'eh? An aside note: I worked them with QRP power two morning after the pilot sent that reply. 72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:47:12 -0800 From: patriot...@msn.com To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M I have a question .. not top band related ... almost but how often did k1n venture into the general portion of the band on 75m, even on 40m I couldn't even make a contact on 20M 0UTC and next 2hrs was best according to K6TU propagation corse it would of helped if i had known about them sooner maybe ... i learned of the group thursday evening .. On 02/17/2015 07:45 PM, jon jones wrote: George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I have a question .. not top band related ... almost but how often did k1n venture into the general portion of the band on 75m, even on 40m I couldn't even make a contact on 20M 0UTC and next 2hrs was best according to K6TU propagation corse it would of helped if i had known about them sooner maybe ... i learned of the group thursday evening .. On 02/17/2015 07:45 PM, jon jones wrote: George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I worked them on 160 in just a few calls with my 80m INV V and 500 watts on CW. Timing and luck are everything. It was super early just after our sunset. Yes I was shocked. For being the #1 needed country they were very easy to work for the USA. Mike W0MU On 2/18/2015 12:03 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote: On 2/18/2015 4:56 PM, Larry Burke wrote: Hi Larry, We now live in an entitlement minded society. All are suppose to have equal access to everything, regardless of personal preparation. Just because you have an extra class license, bigger antennas, and more operating savvy shouldn't give you any advantage over the guy who does not have these things! :-) Dave, W5UN With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Alaska is definitely a very special case Garry On 2/17/2015 7:52 PM, KL7RA wrote: I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. But not for all of North America. I also waited until Europe was shut off but before the path to Asia started but no luck. K1N could get well above the noise for many hours but Alaska is in a bad spot on the planet for these DXpeditions on topband. Payback is stuff in the Pacific. I didn't start hearing them at all until much later in the trip but had a few days where I could copy them from their sunset to sunrise but that's no surprise as we work CO2/KP4 every contest and they can be very loud on Top here once we get dark soaked. Their best signal by far was right at their sunset one evening then faded away and I never heard them again that night. Finally at their sunrise last Friday early morning when they went QRT they had a lot of USA and JA's calling. Not a few but a lot and for sure for me not a relatively easy QSO. Sorry I never made it but if this band was easy I wouldn't do it. 73 Rich KL7RA - Original Message - From: Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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True, George1 Those were excellent times for 160, 80 and 40m and worked well for me! There's a lot to be said for keeping an eye on the daylight map and being where the competition isn''t! My 160 antenna has been down for a few years, but I had a very easy 160 QSO with K1N using the remnant of my 80m GP with only one radial! Great job! Thanks! 73. Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeWallner Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:28 PM To: jon jones; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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On Tue,2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. That's exactly what I told my buddies out here who wanted to work you. Thanks for another great trip, George. When I saw you and Tomi on the list of participants, I knew that 160M would be done well. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. But not for all of North America. I also waited until Europe was shut off but before the path to Asia started but no luck. K1N could get well above the noise for many hours but Alaska is in a bad spot on the planet for these DXpeditions on topband. Payback is stuff in the Pacific. I didn't start hearing them at all until much later in the trip but had a few days where I could copy them from their sunset to sunrise but that's no surprise as we work CO2/KP4 every contest and they can be very loud on Top here once we get dark soaked. Their best signal by far was right at their sunset one evening then faded away and I never heard them again that night. Finally at their sunrise last Friday early morning when they went QRT they had a lot of USA and JA's calling. Not a few but a lot and for sure for me not a relatively easy QSO. Sorry I never made it but if this band was easy I wouldn't do it. 73 Rich KL7RA - Original Message - From: Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Jon, If you haven't already, check this app out! It was just great figuring out time slots to try the various bands for the K1N expedition! It's a VERY useful tool for DXers - especially low-band DXers! Sure beats the old plastic DX Edge that we used in the old days. Very useful for looking at the gray-line (terminator ) as it changes daily throughout the year and watching in real time as the sun and daylight and darkness move over a Mercator projection of a map of the earth. Try it! You'll like it!! Enjoy! 73, Charlie, K4OTV http://www.world-timezone.com/daylight-map/ -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of jon jones Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:45 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Hi Ray I would say TX3A did balanced 160m activity and proved that it is possible to achieve using dedicated RX antenna for the location of the DX expedition, most DX expeditions does not pay attention or do not get well prepared for RX on low bands. It does not mean dedication bit the results speak for it self. See TX3A balance between HF and 160m, less the 10% of the QSO's on 160m, but 36K QSO is very good for only tow operators. TX3A was on the air from Chesterfield Reef from November 3 to Nov 30, 2009. This was another simple low-band DXpedition by George (AA7JV) and Tomi (HA7RY). During 28 days of operation we made a total of 36,148 QSO-s, of which 3,425 were on 160 meters Regards JC N4IS -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ray Benny Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 1:53 PM To: Milt -- N5IA Cc: TopBand List Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Milt, In this aspect all DXpeditions are equal. Just one comment: Having a large person expedition can yield large differences in 160m Q's compared to a two person expedition. On a two man operation, the ops must decide what band to operate at night, 30, 40, 80 or 160m. They may want to make Q's on all these bands so must split their time accordingly. A large M/M effort usually have ops on each band so the ops can spend all their time on one band. I realize the HA guys expeditions (AA7JV) were generally dedicated to 160m, so this was not the case. But in other cases the number of ops does affect the number of Q's on 160m. Just my opinion. Other than that, very interesting information... Ray, N6VR On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Good evening all. The K1N final numbers are in. I also received some further statistics from Bernd, DF3CB, which slightly change the order of the standings. I received come comments about propagation differences. The following are, IMHO, the relevant factors. DX is DX no matter what band, but in particular on 160 Meters the farther you are from the majority of the contacts, the more difficult the possibility of large amounts of QSOs. Proximity to major ham population areas is the top contributor to the leading Q counts. It does not matter, IMHO, if the DXpedition is 2-man, 25-man, or anywhere in between, there is typically only one station and one operator at a time on Topband. They do not do both modes simultaneously on Topband. In this aspsect all DXpeditions are equal. Timing with the sunspot cycle is the next limiting factor. The reduction of the size and intensity of the polar ovals with low sunspots greatly assists the long, opposite side of the planet paths. Those operations that take place at or near the equator are always affected by QRN. IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. In all cases subtract at a minimum two days from the operation total to apply to the 160 M operations. Enjoy, and look for the upcoming web site by Bernd, DF3CB, with all the details and breakdowns of all the DXpeditions. 73 de Milt, N5IA === #1 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than 4,000 KM distant. CW SSB RTTYPSK Total 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 === #2 K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M 19835213 0 7196 === #3 VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on Topband). ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Milt, In this aspect all DXpeditions are equal. Just one comment: Having a large person expedition can yield large differences in 160m Q's compared to a two person expedition. On a two man operation, the ops must decide what band to operate at night, 30, 40, 80 or 160m. They may want to make Q's on all these bands so must split their time accordingly. A large M/M effort usually have ops on each band so the ops can spend all their time on one band. I realize the HA guys expeditions (AA7JV) were generally dedicated to 160m, so this was not the case. But in other cases the number of ops does affect the number of Q's on 160m. Just my opinion. Other than that, very interesting information... Ray, N6VR On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Good evening all. The K1N final numbers are in. I also received some further statistics from Bernd, DF3CB, which slightly change the order of the standings. I received come comments about propagation differences. The following are, IMHO, the relevant factors. DX is DX no matter what band, but in particular on 160 Meters the farther you are from the majority of the contacts, the more difficult the possibility of large amounts of QSOs. Proximity to major ham population areas is the top contributor to the leading Q counts. It does not matter, IMHO, if the DXpedition is 2-man, 25-man, or anywhere in between, there is typically only one station and one operator at a time on Topband. They do not do both modes simultaneously on Topband. In this aspsect all DXpeditions are equal. Timing with the sunspot cycle is the next limiting factor. The reduction of the size and intensity of the polar ovals with low sunspots greatly assists the long, opposite side of the planet paths. Those operations that take place at or near the equator are always affected by QRN. IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. In all cases subtract at a minimum two days from the operation total to apply to the 160 M operations. Enjoy, and look for the upcoming web site by Bernd, DF3CB, with all the details and breakdowns of all the DXpeditions. 73 de Milt, N5IA === #1 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than 4,000 KM distant. CW SSB RTTYPSK Total 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 === #2 K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M 19835213 0 7196 === #3 VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on Topband). ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. CWSSBRTTY Total 160 M 5097 1574 06671 === #4 K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M5399005399 == #5 R1MVW/MVC, Malyj Vysotskij, from the north Baltic Sea, where the most distant part of Europe, Gibraltar, is only 3,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M ???5082 = #6 T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near the center of the Pacific Ocean, 200 KM north of the Equator. ZL = 5,100+ KM; VK = 6,200 to 10,000
Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Good evening all. The K1N final numbers are in. I also received some further statistics from Bernd, DF3CB, which slightly change the order of the standings. I received come comments about propagation differences. The following are, IMHO, the relevant factors. DX is DX no matter what band, but in particular on 160 Meters the farther you are from the majority of the contacts, the more difficult the possibility of large amounts of QSOs. Proximity to major ham population areas is the top contributor to the leading Q counts. It does not matter, IMHO, if the DXpedition is 2-man, 25-man, or anywhere in between, there is typically only one station and one operator at a time on Topband. They do not do both modes simultaneously on Topband. In this aspsect all DXpeditions are equal. Timing with the sunspot cycle is the next limiting factor. The reduction of the size and intensity of the polar ovals with low sunspots greatly assists the long, opposite side of the planet paths. Those operations that take place at or near the equator are always affected by QRN. IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. In all cases subtract at a minimum two days from the operation total to apply to the 160 M operations. Enjoy, and look for the upcoming web site by Bernd, DF3CB, with all the details and breakdowns of all the DXpeditions. 73 de Milt, N5IA === #1 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than 4,000 KM distant. CW SSB RTTYPSK Total 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 === #2 K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M 19835213 0 7196 === #3 VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on Topband). ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. CWSSBRTTY Total 160 M 5097 1574 06671 === #4 K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M5399005399 == #5 R1MVW/MVC, Malyj Vysotskij, from the north Baltic Sea, where the most distant part of Europe, Gibraltar, is only 3,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M ???5082 = #6 T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near the center of the Pacific Ocean, 200 KM north of the Equator. ZL = 5,100+ KM; VK = 6,200 to 10,000 KM; KH6 = 1,900+ KM; JA = 7,400+ KM; west coast of South America = 8,500+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 12,600 KM; San Diego, USA = 5,400 KM; NYC, USA = 9,300 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,600 KM; London = 13,700 KM; Berlin = 13,900 KM; Rome = 15,050 KM; Moscow = 13,460 KM; Athens = 15,580 KM. SSBCWPSKRTTYPSK63FTotal 160 M 91735734 449 414984 == #7 HK0NA, Malpelo, off SW coast of Central America, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 7,000 KM distant. SSBCWRTTY Total 160 M8024138 04940 == #8 TS7C, Kerkennah Island, off the west coast of
