Re: Topband: Maunder References

2016-06-05 Thread Kevin Stover 

I agree with you.
Most of the evidence for the "little ice age" points to increased 
volcanic activity.
On the other hand no one can say with metaphysical certitude that the MM 
didn't cause it either.
The Mini-Ice age happened in the last half of the MM. How much climatic 
inertia is there?  70 years of barely measurable output from the sun has 
to have an effect.



On 6/5/2016 5:24 PM, Charlie Young wrote:

Another link referencing the Zharkova model results:
  
http://www.vofoundation.org/blog/new-dual-dynamo-solar-model-predicts-maunder-minimum-for-cycle-26/
  
This one mostly steers clear of the climate predictions and focuses on the sunspots or lack thereof.
  
A lot of the articles about this study don't so much object to the sunspot prediction but there is a lot of disagreement regarding the climate effects if the low sunspot activity is true, depending on whether the commenters believe the man made global warming will offset the reduced solar output.  I won't touch that one with a 10 foot pole :-)
  
If the prediction of low sunspots is true over the next cycles, maybe I can live long enough to meet my Topband goals!
  
73 Charlie N8RR


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Re: Topband: Maunder References

2016-06-05 Thread Charlie Young 
Another link referencing the Zharkova model results:
 
http://www.vofoundation.org/blog/new-dual-dynamo-solar-model-predicts-maunder-minimum-for-cycle-26/
 
This one mostly steers clear of the climate predictions and focuses on the 
sunspots or lack thereof. 
 
A lot of the articles about this study don't so much object to the sunspot 
prediction but there is a lot of disagreement regarding the climate effects if 
the low sunspot activity is true, depending on whether the commenters believe 
the man made global warming will offset the reduced solar output.  I won't 
touch that one with a 10 foot pole :-) 
 
If the prediction of low sunspots is true over the next cycles, maybe I can 
live long enough to meet my Topband goals! 
 
73 Charlie N8RR 
 
> From: k2av@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:59:21 -0400
> To: g4...@ronaunwin.plus.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Maunder References
> CC: topband@contesting.com
> 
> I would note that some of that material got scalding negatives in
> commentary, bemoaning nonexistent references to data, etc, one commentor
> calling an article a "puff" piece.
> 
> Stuff from CERN is one thing. Some of the other, well, I could write stuff
> using my ear wax and put it out there. We need to remain vigilant that the
> internet really is a wild west jungle of everything from keen insight to
> absolute rubbish. It used to be "caveat emptor" was the great caution. Now
> we have "caveat lector", "Let the reader beware".
> 
> Used to just be worried about someone gonna sucker our pocket book. Now we
> gotta worry about someone gonna sucker our mind. Maybe these days caveat
> lector is the greater concern. Possibly because we spend, support policy
> and vote based on our mind.
> 
> One can find just about anything in the Blogosphere, both sides of any
> issue, to extremes. Want something on sugary drinks are a Commie plot to
> degrade the white race, to the upcoming Maunder Minimum will end life as we
> know it. It or something close is out there. Whatever we want to believe
> about anything is on the internet waiting for us to gobble it up, and allow
> us to feel good about ourselves, no regard to legitimacy or lunacy, or the
> outcome of such beliefs.
> 
> Commentary after postings often becomes a p*ssing match where everything is
> only opinions, with no tethering in honest research, some quickly degrading
> to exchanges of personal insults, none pertaining to the original question,
> with all the gravitas of a manure fight.
> 
> While I surely want to see references where they are to be had, the old
> fashioned kind with academic grade peer review and supporting data is the
> sweet stuff that I like to see, where the argument about interpretation of
> data pertains. Ain't always available, for cause, but that's the good
> stuff.
> 
> The internet is the new "Tower of Babel". With English and several others
> as fairly universal languages, the separation of language no longer has the
> biblical effect. The biblical obfuscation is now achieved with the internet
> where lunacy carries the same apparent rank as legitimacy.
> 
> In the end it is left to us to enjoin ourselves that we respond to neither
> linguistic Babel nor internet babble.
> 
> 73, and I'm looking forward to great low band conditions. I will be
> thankful to see one more solar minimum for 160m entertainment.
> 
> Guy, K2AV
> 
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 2:37 PM, g4hds <g4...@ronaunwin.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> > Here's a couple of references I found stored on my tablet
> >
> > https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/
> >
> >
> > http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/11/german-scientists-solar-cycle-24-points-to-dalton-or-maunder-like-minimum-boding-ill-for-a-climate-cooling/
> >
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> > http://theweathercentre.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/new-maunder-minimum-coming-in-not-so.html
> >
> > 73 Paul
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> >
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Re: Topband: Maunder References

2016-06-05 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV 
I would note that some of that material got scalding negatives in
commentary, bemoaning nonexistent references to data, etc, one commentor
calling an article a "puff" piece.

Stuff from CERN is one thing. Some of the other, well, I could write stuff
using my ear wax and put it out there. We need to remain vigilant that the
internet really is a wild west jungle of everything from keen insight to
absolute rubbish. It used to be "caveat emptor" was the great caution. Now
we have "caveat lector", "Let the reader beware".

Used to just be worried about someone gonna sucker our pocket book. Now we
gotta worry about someone gonna sucker our mind. Maybe these days caveat
lector is the greater concern. Possibly because we spend, support policy
and vote based on our mind.

One can find just about anything in the Blogosphere, both sides of any
issue, to extremes. Want something on sugary drinks are a Commie plot to
degrade the white race, to the upcoming Maunder Minimum will end life as we
know it. It or something close is out there. Whatever we want to believe
about anything is on the internet waiting for us to gobble it up, and allow
us to feel good about ourselves, no regard to legitimacy or lunacy, or the
outcome of such beliefs.

Commentary after postings often becomes a p*ssing match where everything is
only opinions, with no tethering in honest research, some quickly degrading
to exchanges of personal insults, none pertaining to the original question,
with all the gravitas of a manure fight.

While I surely want to see references where they are to be had, the old
fashioned kind with academic grade peer review and supporting data is the
sweet stuff that I like to see, where the argument about interpretation of
data pertains. Ain't always available, for cause, but that's the good
stuff.

The internet is the new "Tower of Babel". With English and several others
as fairly universal languages, the separation of language no longer has the
biblical effect. The biblical obfuscation is now achieved with the internet
where lunacy carries the same apparent rank as legitimacy.

In the end it is left to us to enjoin ourselves that we respond to neither
linguistic Babel nor internet babble.

73, and I'm looking forward to great low band conditions. I will be
thankful to see one more solar minimum for 160m entertainment.

Guy, K2AV

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 2:37 PM, g4hds  wrote:

> Here's a couple of references I found stored on my tablet
>
> https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/
>
>
> http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/11/german-scientists-solar-cycle-24-points-to-dalton-or-maunder-like-minimum-boding-ill-for-a-climate-cooling/
>
>
>
> http://theweathercentre.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/new-maunder-minimum-coming-in-not-so.html
>
> 73 Paul
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Topband: Maunder References

2016-06-05 Thread g4hds 
Here's a couple of references I found stored on my tablet

https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/

http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/11/german-scientists-solar-cycle-24-points-to-dalton-or-maunder-like-minimum-boding-ill-for-a-climate-cooling/


http://theweathercentre.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/new-maunder-minimum-coming-in-not-so.html

73 Paul









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