Re: Topband: WD1A

2015-06-07 Thread Mike Greenway
Hi Roger, I use a 800 ft bi directional beverage using the WD1A wire.  I am 
using the transformers sold by KD9SV to feed and terminate it.  I use some 
small nylon cord to help support it between each rigid support.  It does fairly 
well but have no way to compare it to a single wire in that direction.  On 
paper it does not look very good and some day I may change over to two 
separated copper or copper weld wires but this was easier at the time I needed 
it.  GL on whatever you decide.  73 Mike K4PI
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Re: Topband: WD1A wire

2013-08-30 Thread Henk PA5KT

Search for Feldkabel on ebay.de. Most sellers also ship to rest of Europe.

73 Henk PA5KT

Op 8/29/2013 7:28 PM, ct1...@sapo.pt schreef:

Hi

  I am also interested in any european source :)

  Very hard to find this wire

  Filipe CT1ILT F4VPX

Quoting Neil G0JHC g0...@blueyonder.co.uk:

Those are all very good prices from NA.
  Here in the UK, the only source I found was Army Surplus, the best 
deal was

  $85 for 2000ft spools + $15 shipping.

  Anyone have any cheaper sources in the UK?

  Neil G0JHC


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4. Re: data follow up to W4ZV and K2AV comments (Tim Duffy)
5. Spiderbeam mast UV Resistance? (Jim Garland)
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  Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

  Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km 
spool.


  Thanks,

  Larry - W7IUV

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  Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:58:02 -0400
  From: Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net
  To: topband@contesting.com
  Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
  Message-ID: 521e564a.6050...@vitelcom.net
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  Larry try eBay that is where I bought my last 2500 feet for 28 
bucks but be

  sure to not get it tangled as that is a mess or long runs.


  Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ



  On 8/28/2013 3:32 PM, Larry Molitor wrote:   Anyone know of a good 
source for WD1A field phone wire these days?


   Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 
km spool.


   Thanks,

   Larry - W7IUV
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  Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
  From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
  To: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com, topband@contesting.com
  topband@contesting.com
  Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
  Message-ID:
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

  Thanks Carl, even though it wasn't much help.

  Need some new wire for some BOG experiments, mostly for 630 meters. 
Ran outa
  cheap insulated wire. Considering cat5 because it's cheaper than 
any single
  conductor wire you can buy. But WD1A ?is not as appetizing to the 
varmits

  and in my old age, I really hate splicing wire in the snow.

  Anybody even run bare wire on the ground? I tried that when I was 
in AZ and
  it didn't work but the soil at that location was very very good. 
Maybe it

  would work here over frozen sand and rock?

  Larry - W7IUV



  
  From: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com
  To: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com; topband@contesting.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire


  The last reel I bought was 2.5km for $40 plus about $20 shipping 
from Ohio
  about 3-4 years ago on Fleabay. It was listed strangely but I 
forget how; I
  believe I searched for military wire or something similar. I see 
some

  speculators peddling it at .10/ft

  Carl
  KM1H


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  From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
  To: topband@contesting.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:32 PM
  Subject: Topband: WD1A wire


Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

   Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 
km spool.


   Thanks,

   Larry - W7IUV
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Re: Topband: WD1A wire

2013-08-29 Thread ZR
The last reel I bought was 2.5km for $40 plus about $20 shipping from Ohio 
about 3-4 years ago on Fleabay. It was listed strangely but I forget how; I 
believe I searched for military wire or something similar. I see some 
speculators peddling it at .10/ft


Carl
KM1H


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To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Topband: WD1A wire



Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

Thanks,

Larry - W7IUV
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Re: Topband: WD1A wire

2013-08-29 Thread Neil G0JHC
Those are all very good prices from NA.
Here in the UK, the only source I found was Army Surplus, the best deal was
$85 for 2000ft spools + $15 shipping.

Anyone have any cheaper sources in the UK?

Neil G0JHC 


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   3. Re: WD1A wire (Larry Molitor)
   4. Re: data follow up to W4ZV and K2AV comments (Tim Duffy)
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Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

Thanks,

Larry - W7IUV

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:58:02 -0400
From: Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net
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Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
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Larry try eBay that is where I bought my last 2500 feet for 28 bucks but be
sure to not get it tangled as that is a mess or long runs.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ



On 8/28/2013 3:32 PM, Larry Molitor wrote:
 Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

 Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

 Thanks,

 Larry - W7IUV
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From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
To: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com, topband@contesting.com
topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
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1377723234.85498.yahoomail...@web126206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
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Thanks Carl, even though it wasn't much help.

Need some new wire for some BOG experiments, mostly for 630 meters. Ran outa
cheap insulated wire. Considering cat5 because it's cheaper than any single
conductor wire you can buy. But WD1A ?is not as appetizing to the varmits
and in my old age, I really hate splicing wire in the snow.

Anybody even run bare wire on the ground? I tried that when I was in AZ and
it didn't work but the soil at that location was very very good. Maybe it
would work here over frozen sand and rock?

Larry - W7IUV




 From: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com
To: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com; topband@contesting.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
 

The last reel I bought was 2.5km for $40 plus about $20 shipping from Ohio 
about 3-4 years ago on Fleabay. It was listed strangely but I forget how; I 
believe I searched for military wire or something similar. I see some 
speculators peddling it at .10/ft

Carl
KM1H


- Original Message - 
From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Topband: WD1A wire


 Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

 Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

 Thanks,

 Larry - W7IUV
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For the record:

40 meter antennas at W3LPL:
Two full size 3 ele Yagi's at 190 feet over 100 feet - 48 foot booms.

40 meter antennas at K3LR
Three full size 4 ele OWA Yagi's at 260 feet over 190 feet over 118 feet.
48 foot booms. 7 take off angle combinations are available.

QSOs for 40 meters in this contest:

K3LR 1767 Europe and 144 Asia

Re: Topband: WD1A wire

2013-08-29 Thread ct1ilt

Hi 

  I am also interested in any european source :)

  Very hard to find this wire

  Filipe CT1ILT F4VPX

Quoting Neil G0JHC g0...@blueyonder.co.uk:

Those are all very good prices from NA.
  Here in the UK, the only source I found was Army Surplus, the best deal was
  $85 for 2000ft spools + $15 shipping.

  Anyone have any cheaper sources in the UK?

  Neil G0JHC


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    3. Re: WD1A wire (Larry Molitor)
    4. Re: data follow up to W4ZV and K2AV comments (Tim Duffy)
    5. Spiderbeam mast UV Resistance? (Jim Garland)
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  Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:32:07 -0700 (PDT)
  From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
  To: topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com
  Subject: Topband: WD1A wire
  Message-ID: 1377718327.441.yahoomail...@web126202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
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  Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

  Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

  Thanks,

  Larry - W7IUV

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  Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:58:02 -0400
  From: Herb Schoenbohm he...@vitelcom.net
  To: topband@contesting.com
  Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
  Message-ID: 521e564a.6050...@vitelcom.net
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed





  Larry try eBay that is where I bought my last 2500 feet for 28 bucks but be
  sure to not get it tangled as that is a mess or long runs.


  Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ



  On 8/28/2013 3:32 PM, Larry Molitor wrote:   Anyone know of a  
good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?


   Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

   Thanks,

   Larry - W7IUV
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  Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
  From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
  To: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com, topband@contesting.com
          topband@contesting.com
  Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
  Message-ID:
          1377723234.85498.yahoomail...@web126206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

  Thanks Carl, even though it wasn't much help.

  Need some new wire for some BOG experiments, mostly for 630  
meters. Ran outa

  cheap insulated wire. Considering cat5 because it's cheaper than any single
  conductor wire you can buy. But WD1A ?is not as appetizing to the varmits
  and in my old age, I really hate splicing wire in the snow.

  Anybody even run bare wire on the ground? I tried that when I was in AZ and
  it didn't work but the soil at that location was very very good. Maybe it
  would work here over frozen sand and rock?

  Larry - W7IUV



  
  From: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com
  To: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com; topband@contesting.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire


  The last reel I bought was 2.5km for $40 plus about $20 shipping from Ohio
  about 3-4 years ago on Fleabay. It was listed strangely but I forget how; I
  believe I searched for military wire or something similar. I see some
  speculators peddling it at .10/ft

  Carl
  KM1H


  - Original Message -
  From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
  To: topband@contesting.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:32 PM
  Subject: Topband: WD1A wire


Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

   Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

   Thanks,

   Larry - W7IUV
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Topband: WD1A wire

2013-08-28 Thread Larry Molitor
Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

Thanks,

Larry - W7IUV
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Re: Topband: WD1A wire

2013-08-28 Thread Herb Schoenbohm





Larry try eBay that is where I bought my last 2500 feet for 28 bucks but 
be sure to not get it tangled as that is a mess or long runs.



Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ



On 8/28/2013 3:32 PM, Larry Molitor wrote:

Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

Thanks,

Larry - W7IUV
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Re: Topband: WD1A wire

2013-08-28 Thread Larry Molitor
Thanks Carl, even though it wasn't much help.

Need some new wire for some BOG experiments, mostly for 630 meters. Ran outa 
cheap insulated wire. Considering cat5 because it's cheaper than any single 
conductor wire you can buy. But WD1A  is not as appetizing to the varmits and 
in my old age, I really hate splicing wire in the snow.

Anybody even run bare wire on the ground? I tried that when I was in AZ and it 
didn't work but the soil at that location was very very good. Maybe it would 
work here over frozen sand and rock?

Larry - W7IUV




 From: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com
To: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com; topband@contesting.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A wire
 

The last reel I bought was 2.5km for $40 plus about $20 shipping from Ohio 
about 3-4 years ago on Fleabay. It was listed strangely but I forget how; I 
believe I searched for military wire or something similar. I see some 
speculators peddling it at .10/ft

Carl
KM1H


- Original Message - 
From: Larry Molitor w7...@yahoo.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Topband: WD1A wire


 Anyone know of a good source for WD1A field phone wire these days?

 Best I've found so far runs abut 60 bux shipped to WA for a 0.5 km spool.

 Thanks,

 Larry - W7IUV
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Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Craig Clark
There are no perfect solutions for Beverage wire and all have problems.

Military commo wire is normally used in short term tactical telephone
systems and sees usage from a few days to a few weeks. As units move, the
wire is recovered and reused. For longer term strategic installations
multi-connector wire is used and it is much more robust.

The WD1A we can currently get was designed for the newer digital telephone
systems that came on line in the late 70's and 80's. It replaced the older
more robust WD1 tip and ring phone systems. 

For bi-directional Beverage antenna systems, WD1A works well but as Paul has
described. BUT there are issues in the NE with trees and limbs falling,
moose and deer crossing not to mention vandalism from hunters and other wood
walkers. Trying to mitigate damage from a falling branch using his strain
relief is a great idea. I do the same when I attach the antenna to the trees
on insulators by a very loose slip knot. 

You have to remember however that WD1A is not designed for long term
installations. The PE and steel wire have strength but not enough to survive
direct impact from trees, humans or animals.

Craig K1QX

 

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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Tom W8JI
Has anyone ever made any attempt to characterize the line at HF?

A simple process like that would eliminate all speculation about RF 
performance, and make rational cost vs. performance decisions.

Surely someone somewhere has made some reasonable attempt at characterizing 
the line.


73 Tom 

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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Mike Waters
I think the characteristics of so-called WD-1 surplus phone line varies.
FWIW, the two short samples of WD-1 that I have here are as follows:

115 ohms impedance, calculated from the following: .033 diameter
(averaged), .0685 spacing. The dielectric constant of the insulation
(polyethylene) is 2.2.

I just made three transformers for someone using that line as a
bi-directional Beverage, but I think more tests need to be run to see how
it really works in actual practice. But so far, so good. :-)

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote:

 Has anyone ever made any attempt to characterize the line at HF?

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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Tom W8JI
I think the characteristics of so-called WD-1 surplus phone line varies.
 FWIW, the two short samples of WD-1 that I have here are as follows:

 115 ohms impedance, calculated from the following: .033 diameter
 (averaged), .0685 spacing. The dielectric constant of the insulation
 (polyethylene) is 2.2.

By sweeping it with a carbon 250 ohm pot on one end, and a SWR meter on the 
other, we can find a resistance value that results in minimal SWR change. 
Then, by measuring pot resistance with a ohmmeter,  we know one thing about 
it.

An impedance error of 20 ohms on a 100 ohm line is as meaningful as an 80 
ohm error on 400 ohm line.

By measuring attenuation of a reasonable length on several HF frequencies, 
we could know loss. That would take minimal work and equipment, but a good 
method.

The problem probably is there are so many types it might change between 
types. I just wonder why no one has ever measured anything.

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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/23/2012 6:43 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
 Surely someone somewhere has made some reasonable attempt at characterizing
 the line.

If I had a sample (which I don't), I would hook it up to a VNA and 
measure both Zo and attenuation.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread kd9sv
Mike, the measurements I took here on a short (300ft) WD-1A with average
height of 5ft using the method W8JI recommends with a termination resistor
(pot) and MFJ-259 showed an impedance of 140 ohms on both 160 and 80 meters.
I did not attempt to measure at higher freq's...de gary, kd9sv

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On Behalf Of Mike Waters
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:13 AM
To: topband
Subject: Re: Topband: WD1A

I think the characteristics of so-called WD-1 surplus phone line varies.
FWIW, the two short samples of WD-1 that I have here are as follows:

115 ohms impedance, calculated from the following: .033 diameter
(averaged), .0685 spacing. The dielectric constant of the insulation
(polyethylene) is 2.2.

I just made three transformers for someone using that line as a
bi-directional Beverage, but I think more tests need to be run to see how
it really works in actual practice. But so far, so good. :-)

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote:

 Has anyone ever made any attempt to characterize the line at HF?

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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
That's what I would like to hear.  Back some years got ahold of a sample of
some alleged high power 72 ohm transmission line before I bought a bunch of
it.  It was 80 ohms and had terrible losses.  It seemed to me to be made of
the same stuff as household zip cord.  I reported my findings back to the
owner, who then sold it for scrap.

Does anyone have anything authoritative clearing C line for use at RF?  It
was NOT designed and manufactured for use at RF, that is for sure.

73, Guy.


 If I had a sample (which I don't), I would hook it up to a VNA and
 measure both Zo and attenuation.

 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Mike Waters
Gary, was your 140 ohm WD-1A made from .0393 (1mm) diameter wires, spaced
.118 center-to-center? My math says that should be a little over 140 ohms.

But the stuff I was talking about was a different diameter and spacing
(.033 diameter and .0685 center-to-center spacing.) The same math says it's
~115 ohms, but I had no way of measuring a piece less than a foot long.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM, kd9sv kd...@comcast.net wrote:

 Mike, the measurements I took here on a short (300ft) WD-1A with average
 height of 5ft using the method W8JI recommends with a termination resistor
 (pot) and MFJ-259 showed an impedance of 140 ohms on both 160 and 80
 meters.
 I did not attempt to measure at higher freq's...de gary, kd9sv

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Re: Topband: WD1A

2012-07-23 Thread Tom W8JI
 Gary, was your 140 ohm WD-1A made from .0393 (1mm) diameter wires, spaced
 .118 center-to-center? My math says that should be a little over 140 ohms.

 But the stuff I was talking about was a different diameter and spacing
 (.033 diameter and .0685 center-to-center spacing.) The same math says 
 it's
 ~115 ohms, but I had no way of measuring a piece less than a foot long.

Since the field extends outside the dielectric, all bets are off. Even if 
the strongest area of electric field is between the conductors, we really 
don't know the percentages of what dielectric are involved.

That's why a measurement is best. Tuning between a frequency where length is 
and odd 1/4 wave and even 1/4 wave electrical and adjusting for most 
constant SWR would hit pretty close.

I think to make any meaningful tests, I'd use either 50 feet or 100 feet of 
line. Anyone with a movable power meter, antenna tuner, and transmitter, as 
well as an antenna analyzer, could probably measure loss and impedance as 
well as any VNA.

73 Tom

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Topband: WD1A

2011-02-12 Thread Mike Greenway
I wonder if anyone knows how to reach W5UN?  He made a post concerning his 
problems with WD1A breaking inside the insulation and was wanting to find out 
if he thought it was a corrosion or tension problem. I tried the email he used 
to make the post several times but no response.  Has anyone else had problems 
with WD1A breaking?  I plan to try a 2 wire bev using the WD1A but if is 
troublesome I may opt for something else.  73 Mike K4PI
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