Re: Topband: LoTW, Ground mounted 1/2 wave etc.

2012-12-19 Thread Herb Schoenbohm

On 12/19/2012 2:50 AM, Raoul Coetzee wrote:

Like most of us I have been reading and trying to absorb the excellent 
technical information in this group, but really, personal
attacks and comments should be avoided.
Or is this simply normal, a reflection of what is happening on the bands too?
I hope this comes to an end, I would hate to unsubscribe.
  
Will the 160m gentlemen please stand up, if there are any left?
  
Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy new Year!
  
Raoul ZS1REC

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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell

Raoul,

There is a saying in the islands that you can't put two man crabs in 
the same hole.


73,

Herb, KV4FZ
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Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
And while you're at it, why shouldn't SO Assisted be separated from 
Multi-single?  That is a relic of the earliest days of packet, and 
hasn't made sense for at least 20 years.


73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
http://reversebeacon.net,
blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
For spots, please go to your favorite
ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

On 12/18/2012 6:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:11 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


ARRL 160 meter contest is based on *Sections*. 


Only in part  -- it's also based on DX entities as multipliers, and 
US/VE stations get 2.5X the point credit for a QSO with a DX station.



 It makes no earthly sense to change the rules
for one or two sections after thirty plus years of the contest. 


If the Rules are poorly conceived (and they are), it certainly does 
make sense to change them.  But the needed changes go far beyond 
equalizing KP2 and VP2V -- the Rules give Zone 5 a 10:1 scoring 
advantage over Zone 3 (and about half that over the Midwest and Great 
Plains), and make the contest so boring for Zone 3 that most of us 
avoid it.


73, Jim K9YC
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Topband: Missing Contest Listings - Contest Update for 19 Dec

2012-12-19 Thread Ward Silver
An unfortunate cut-and-paste misfire resulted in omitting the RAC Winter 
Contest and Stew Perry TBDC contests from the lists of upcoming events - I've 
corrected the online version.  The ARRL Letter should have the correct 
information when it goes out later this week - apologies.

73, Ward N0AX
Mis-editor, ARRL Contest Update
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Topband: Thanks for the Wood !

2012-12-19 Thread Mike Coreen Smith
Plaque arrived today in the middle of a snowstorm.
Looks very smart indeed.
Thanks to Lew, Tree, The (not so) Boring Gang and of course Stew himself, 
may he RIP.

dit dit, Mike VE9AA
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Topband: WTB:HiZ 4 Squere RX Setup

2012-12-19 Thread dl8yhrfrank
Hi allwant to buy a 4 Squere rx setup...
If you have one and woud like to sale it let me know pse
Vy 73
Frank
dl8yhrfr...@aol.com


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Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread k6xt
Maybe because XE is in NA while Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Venezuela 
are not. And maybe, Mexican states are as important to Mexicans as US 
States and VE provinces are to their northern neighbors.


http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namaps.htm

Finding OX is considered a part of NA was an education.

73 Art K6XT~~
Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.
ARRL, GMCC, CW OPS, NAQCC
ARRL TA

On 12/18/2012 9:29 PM, W4TV wrote:

There are those who don't like CQ's format, those who don't like the
new ARRL 10 Meter format with Mexican States (why Mexico and not
Brazil or Argentina, or Chile, or Venezuela?) -


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Re: Topband: LoTW, Ground mounted 1/2 wave etc.

2012-12-19 Thread Tree
Thanks Raoul for the excellent posting.

I have to admit to coming close to having to put the list back into full
moderation.

Let's clean it up guys.  If you don't believe we can by civil here and
discuss technical subjects, then you will find your posts taking longer to
show up.

Tree

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Raoul Coetzee raoulcoet...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Like most of us I have been reading and trying to absorb the excellent
 technical information in this group, but really, personal
 attacks and comments should be avoided.
 Or is this simply normal, a reflection of what is happening on the bands
 too?
 I hope this comes to an end, I would hate to unsubscribe.

 Will the 160m gentlemen please stand up, if there are any left?

 Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy new Year!

 Raoul ZS1REC
 ___
 It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground
 whatsoever for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell

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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell


Re: Topband: LoTW, Ground mounted 1/2 wave etc.

2012-12-19 Thread HAROLD SMITH JR
Hello Raoul, 

Yes there are a few 160 meter gentlemen and gentlegirls still left. 

If you notice, the flaming remarks mostly are made by one person. Several years 
ago he was 

banned from this reflector. I do have to agree that it really gets disgusting. 
Thank god there 

is a delete key on every keyboard. 

Wishing You and Your family a VERY Merry Christms and Prosperous New Year. 

Price W0RI and trustee of W0CKC Club Station:  St. Louis Lowbaders Club




Like most of us I have been reading and trying to absorb the excellent 
technical 
information in this group, but really, personal
attacks and comments should be avoided.
Or is this simply normal, a reflection of what is happening on the bands too? 
I hope this comes to an end, I would hate to unsubscribe.
 
Will the 160m gentlemen please stand up, if there are any left?
 
Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy new Year!
 
Raoul ZS1REC
___
It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell
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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell


Re: Topband: LoTW, Ground mounted 1/2 wave etc.

2012-12-19 Thread Luis Mansutti IV3PRK

Hello all,

yes it's always that person and I am used to delete all his postings with 
Mailwasher before entering !


73
Luis IV3PRK



- Original Message - 
From: HAROLD SMITH JR w0ri...@sbcglobal.net
To: Raoul Coetzee raoulcoet...@yahoo.com; Top Band List List 
topband@contesting.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: LoTW, Ground mounted 1/2 wave etc.


Hello Raoul,

Yes there are a few 160 meter gentlemen and gentlegirls still left.

If you notice, the flaming remarks mostly are made by one person. Several 
years

ago he was

banned from this reflector. I do have to agree that it really gets 
disgusting.

Thank god there

is a delete key on every keyboard.

Wishing You and Your family a VERY Merry Christms and Prosperous New Year.

Price W0RI and trustee of W0CKC Club Station:  St. Louis Lowbaders Club




Like most of us I have been reading and trying to absorb the excellent 
technical

information in this group, but really, personal
attacks and comments should be avoided.
Or is this simply normal, a reflection of what is happening on the bands 
too?

I hope this comes to an end, I would hate to unsubscribe.

Will the 160m gentlemen please stand up, if there are any left?

Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy new Year!

Raoul ZS1REC
___
It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground 
whatsoever

for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell
___
It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground 
whatsoever for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell 


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Re: Topband: LoTW, Ground mounted 1/2 wave etc.

2012-12-19 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
KM1H should be banned once again.

Dave WX7G
On Dec 19, 2012 9:59 AM, HAROLD SMITH JR w0ri...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hello Raoul,

 Yes there are a few 160 meter gentlemen and gentlegirls still left.

 If you notice, the flaming remarks mostly are made by one person. Several
 years
 ago he was

 banned from this reflector. I do have to agree that it really gets
 disgusting.
 Thank god there

 is a delete key on every keyboard.

 Wishing You and Your family a VERY Merry Christms and Prosperous New Year.

 Price W0RI and trustee of W0CKC Club Station:  St. Louis Lowbaders Club




 Like most of us I have been reading and trying to absorb the excellent
 technical
 information in this group, but really, personal
 attacks and comments should be avoided.
 Or is this simply normal, a reflection of what is happening on the bands
 too?
 I hope this comes to an end, I would hate to unsubscribe.

 Will the 160m gentlemen please stand up, if there are any left?

 Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy new Year!

 Raoul ZS1REC
 ___
 It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground
 whatsoever
 for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell
 ___
 It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground
 whatsoever for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell

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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
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Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread GALE STEWARD
As Joe stated, if the rules do not appeal to you, don't operate. This is why I 
haven't operated in the ARRL 160 for years as it really is a 160M SS, and I've 
never found the normal SS to be all that interesting.

There is always the SPDC, the CQ 160, etc. The only one I normally spend any 
time operating in is the CQ 160 CW.

73, Stew K3ND






 From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
To: topband@contesting.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More
 

ARRL 160 meter contest is based on *Sections*.  KP2 and KP4 are
*SECTIONS* as are South Florida, North Florida, West Central Florida
and any other section.  It makes no earthly sense to change the rules
for one or two sections after thirty plus years of the contest.

If you don't like the rules, find a different contest.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV
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Topband: KAZ Antenna

2012-12-19 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Someone, named Charles, asked me if I could point him toward information on
theKAZ antenna.  I have lost, misplaced or accidentally deleted your
e-mail. Please ask again, and I'll try to find some links to get you
started. Otherwise, I will just post them here.

 

The KAZ antenna  is a terminated loop of modest size,  with a cardioid
pattern that enables one to null offending noise or interference sources. It
is a triangle with a horizontal bottom wire, so it can be hung from a single
support, or even be mast mounted and rotated. The termination is around 900
ohms and you  might need to wind your own 9:1 or 16:1 matching transformer.
I wound mine on a two-hole balun ferrite core, and it worked well.

 

The KAZ receiving loop is related to the flag and pennant loops, and the
K9AY loop.

 

Please send again - I apologize for my error and the inconvenience.

 

Regards,

Charlie, K4OTV

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Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread Jim Brown

On 12/19/2012 9:34 AM, GALE STEWARD wrote:

As Joe stated, if the rules do not appeal to you, don't operate.


That's a favored operator's view of things. There are, for all 
practical purposes, three major 160M contests (ARRL, and the two CQWW 
events), and their rules all strongly favor the Atlantic basin 
contesting establishment.  If you're in that favored region, you're 
generally happy with the rules, and if you're not in that region you 
find the contests unappealing.
The only 160M contest with decent rules for everyone is the Stew Perry, 
but it has, unfortunately, not attracted the critical mass participation 
needed to make it fun either -- even with a very good station, you run 
out of stations to work pretty early in the evening.


I'm an ARRL member, and a CQ Magazine subscriber. These contests are 
being administered by entities that I support, and I have a reasonable 
expectation that they should fairly support my interests too. Sadly, 
they are the only game in town, so if you've built a nice 160M station 
and want it exercise it, it's your only choice. Imagine owning a nice 
car, and the only paved roads are 2,000 miles away!


73, Jim K9YC

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Topband: KAZ Antenna

2012-12-19 Thread Bruce
It is a different name for a Terminated Delta Loop- Earl K6SE developed the 
recieiving Delta Loop for 160 meters, June 1, 2000
He was too late to get it into his printing of Flag and Pennant Antennas  in 
QST July 2000.
Designed for best F/B on 160 meters and zero recactance at 1.830 MHZ. It 
requires only one support at the top of the loop.

The antenna was used by FO0AAA very successfully

I had an antenna trasformer customer who built one recently and reported 
much success. He used the dimensions from the eham article.

Like Pennant, and flag antenna it is low noise and ground independant.
An article appears in eham with the dimensions from that Earl's antenna.
http://www.eham.net/articles/806

 73
Bruce-K1FZ
www.qsl.net/k1fz/



--- 
From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com

To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: Topband: KAZ Antenna


Someone, named Charles, asked me if I could point him toward information on
theKAZ antenna.  I have lost, misplaced or accidentally deleted your
e-mail. Please ask again, and I'll try to find some links to get you
started. Otherwise, I will just post them here.





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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell


Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 wave

2012-12-19 Thread Tom W8JI
- Original Message - 
From: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com


This is where I think the problem is. You say:

** Since the TOA is established at almost ground zero, radials can 
increase the energy at angles that would

otherwise be attenuated.


That is incorrect.

Radials, unless they radiate through some flaw such as a single radial 
system that allows far field radiation, do not meaningfully affect TOA. This 
is all over the place in all sorts of books, and a knowlege of reflections 
and angles would tell us the idea radials close to the antenna affect TOA 
makes no sense with any vertical, unless the feedline or radials are acting 
like antennas in the far field.


The elevation pattern is established some distance out from the antenna.

Radials almost exclusively (if reasonably balanced or in large enough 
numbers to have minimal currents) alter efficiency, nothing else.


It is the explanation that confuses many since the facts about radials is 
real. A few
on here seem to be unable to seperate the feedpoint measurements and 
calculations from radiated losses at
the lowest angles. An improved ground away from the base doesnt even have 
to be connected to it to be effective.


The elevation pattern is formed by the distribution of current in the 
vertical element and the ground out several wavelengths. The lower the 
angle, and more elevated the high current area, the further out the area 
responsible for pattern formation moves.


If you don't trust multiple people on this reflector, you might read 20-17 
in the Antenna Engineering Handbook by Jasik, and dozens of other 
engineering sources listed in the references at the end of that chapter. 
Quoting Jasik, ground system losses dissipate a portion of the input power 
and reduce the field radiated from the antenna. These losses are equivalent 
to the power dissipated in a resistor is series with the antenna impedance


There are many good references out there. Even the ARRL Handbooks have 
addressed this issue. 


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Re: Topband: KAZ Antenna

2012-12-19 Thread Brian Machesney
The Wellbrook Communications web site has good pictures of the DKAZ and
similar antennas. Navigate to Components then FLAG, KAZ ANTENNA
AMPLIFERhttp://www.wellbrook.uk.com/antennashop/index.php?route=product/productpath=25product_id=63
(sic) and click on links to pdf's at the bottom of the page.

K1LI
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Re: Topband: KAZ Antenna

2012-12-19 Thread DALE LONG
Gentlemen:

http://www.qsl.net/wa1ion/pennant_v_kaz.htm


This article provides a nice description of the KAZ antenna.  Other articles 
are referenced.  There have been various tests of larger and smaller KAZ 
antennas.   The KAZ is my favorite antenna for dxpedtions, and has been very 
effective on trips where no beverages were possible.  I much prefer the KAZ 
over the pennant and the ewe variations.

73


Dale - N3BNA




 From: Bruce k...@myfairpoint.net
To: topband@contesting.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:37 PM
Subject: Topband:  KAZ Antenna
 
It is a different name for a Terminated Delta Loop- Earl K6SE developed the 
recieiving Delta Loop for 160 meters, June 1, 2000
He was too late to get it into his printing of Flag and Pennant Antennas  in 
QST July 2000.
Designed for best F/B on 160 meters and zero recactance at 1.830 MHZ. It 
requires only one support at the top of the loop.
The antenna was used by FO0AAA very successfully

I had an antenna trasformer customer who built one recently and reported much 
success. He used the dimensions from the eham article.
Like Pennant, and flag antenna it is low noise and ground independant.
An article appears in eham with the dimensions from that Earl's antenna.
http://www.eham.net/articles/806

73
Bruce-K1FZ
www.qsl.net/k1fz/



--- From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: Topband: KAZ Antenna


Someone, named Charles, asked me if I could point him toward information on
theKAZ antenna.  I have lost, misplaced or accidentally deleted your
e-mail. Please ask again, and I'll try to find some links to get you
started. Otherwise, I will just post them here.





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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell
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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell


Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread Dave AA6YQ
AA6YQ comments below

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Gary
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:29 PM
To: Topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More



 I use Logic software for normal logging, awards tracking and for
 contesting. I should learn N1MM for when I help out with a team effort
 and if they use that. I believe the author was one of the original
 authors for the LOTW format.

 http://www.hosenose.com/logic/default.aspx

I meant to say I believe the author of the Logic logging software was one of
the original authors for the LOTW format.

There is no LotW format. I suspect you are referring to the Amateur
Data Interchange Format (ADIF), which was developed in 1996 by Ray WF1B and
Dennis WN4AZY; Dennis is the author of LOGic.

ADIF is employed in two ways by LotW: QSOs uploaded to LotW are conveyed
as encrypted ADIF records, and information about a QSO's acceptance and
confirmation that was requested via LotW's programmatic interface is
returned in ADIF records.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

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Topband: Delta loops antennas

2012-12-19 Thread Bruce
I became aware of an antenna called the KAZ a few years ago. A broadcast 
band SWL wanted a transformer for one. He furnished the basic antenna 
drawing that was a Delta Loop.  Delta Loop antennas have been around for 
very many years. Anyway someone had  published ,a Delta Loop, naming it a 
KAZ antenna.   Seems to be mostly Broadcast band DX listeners.


From years ago:  Was there an antenna called a doublet that was a basic 

dipole ?

If someone is looking for a 160 meter DX delta loop antenna, I recommend the 
K6SE  loop.

Earl, K6SE (sk) is one of our 160 meter heroes.


73
Bruce-K1FZ
www.qsl.net/k1fz/

 The KAZ receiving loop is related to the flag and pennant loops, and the
 K9AY loop.

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Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist

On 12/18/2012 8:29 PM, Gary Smith wrote:


I meant to say I believe the author of the Logic logging software was
one of the original authors for the LOTW format.

Gary
KA1J


That explains a lot.  The Logic software has the same amateurish
look and feel that LOTW has.  I am sorry that I wasted my money
on it.

Rick N6RK
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for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell


Re: Topband: Delta loops antennas

2012-12-19 Thread Shoppa, Tim
On the doublet vs dipole: at various times in history, the word dipole 
was taken by some to mean quarter wave dipole, and doublet was a more general 
term for a balanced antenna. I will look in my older handbooks and see if there 
was a singlet (vertical? End fed?) in there. Sometimes I go looking in the 
30's handbooks for vertical/Marconi style antennas and find nothing that I 
recognize at all, maybe I should be looking for singlets.

There are some complications... for decades the ARRL handbooks showed charts 
for doublets with strictly prescribed feedline lengths - I think they were 
intended to be optimizations while avoiding resonances in feedline but the 
reasoning behind the chart was never well explained, turning it into a gospel 
for many.

What has thrown me for a loop many times is the GP Antenna. In my gut I feel 
that GP=General Purpose but sometimes I can eventually figure out that it 
means Ground Plane.

Tim N3QE

From: Topband [topband-boun...@contesting.com] on behalf of Bruce 
[k...@myfairpoint.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:07 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: Delta loops antennas

I became aware of an antenna called the KAZ a few years ago. A broadcast
band SWL wanted a transformer for one. He furnished the basic antenna
drawing that was a Delta Loop.  Delta Loop antennas have been around for
very many years. Anyway someone had  published ,a Delta Loop, naming it a
KAZ antenna.   Seems to be mostly Broadcast band DX listeners.

From years ago:  Was there an antenna called a doublet that was a basic
dipole ?

If someone is looking for a 160 meter DX delta loop antenna, I recommend the
K6SE  loop.
Earl, K6SE (sk) is one of our 160 meter heroes.


73
Bruce-K1FZ
www.qsl.net/k1fz/

 The KAZ receiving loop is related to the flag and pennant loops, and the
 K9AY loop.

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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell
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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
for supposing it is true. - Bertrand Russell


Re: Topband: PE coated RG6

2012-12-19 Thread Mike Waters
I bought some of these from this seller and this eBay listing number, and
they arrived today. Just thought I'd mention that there are no O-ring seals.

I didn't try them yet; I have to figure out the best way to prepare the
coax. Any suggestions?

I'm using Commscope flooded quad-shield RG-6 (F-6) with poly foil and
bonded inner shield.
Jacket/flooded-braid/foil/braid/bonded-foil/dielectric/CCS.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jim F. j_fit...@yahoo.com wrote:


 I bought a new roll of flooded quad shield RG-6  and packages of
 connectors from 5 sources because they are cheap until I found a package
 that worked.

 Here is the one that worked great.   Note: this is for Quad Shield and
 Flooded (with Poly.).  If you have Double shield it may not work.

 Seller: fourpairteledata ( 44493  )

 10 Pack Lot - F-Type Compression Connector Male Plug RG6 Quad Shield Coax
 Cable ( 120796092561 )

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Re: Topband: Delta loops antennas

2012-12-19 Thread wb6rse1
Over the last decade I have experimented with a variety of loops: coax, delta, 
diamonds, flags. The only real-estate available has been the roof of my house. 
There is just no room on my city lot to accommodate a K9AY or beverages, let 
alone a 4-square - much as I would like to have had the luxury of trying any of 
them. My experience with a roof mounted FOØAAA quickly demonstrated that it 
must be ground mounted. No surprise, ground dependent designs are just not 
effective when elevated on a roof. 

I've also tried a variety of toroidal cores for the loop matching transformer 
with mixed results. A binocular core transformer, as described by W8JI and 
others, finally made the large loops sound like real antennas.

I agree that the K6SE original QST paper and ON4UN's latest Low Band DXing, 
book deserve study. George, AA7JV, also has demonstrated the effectiveness of a 
variety of ground mounted loop configurations.

73 - Steve WB6RSE
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Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread Gary Smith

  I meant to say I believe the author of the Logic logging software
  was one of the original authors for the LOTW format.
 
  Gary
  KA1J
 
 That explains a lot.  The Logic software has the same amateurish
 look and feel that LOTW has.  I am sorry that I wasted my money
 on it.
 
 Rick N6RK

Rick,

And I disagree with that evaluation completely. 

Logic does everything I want, does it accurately and does it 
instantly, it follows my K3 however I configure it. At this time I 
have the log screen exactly as I want it with the log in one 
quadrant, the analysis of my needed DXCC on all bands  modes with 
the current band illuminated in red letters, the results of my most 
recent QSOs listed chronologically in another quadrant and a Spot log 
showing only the needed spots compared to logics database. I have it 
customized the log entry fields to move in which fields I wish, based 
on how I operate and frankly, there's nothing a different log format 
would do for me that this does not. Here's how my Logic9 looks at 
this moment. You may need to click on the screen-shot to enlarge it 
to normal size/clarity.

http://doctorgary.net/logic9_display.jpg

Amateurish? You be the judge

Gary
KA1J
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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever 
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Topband: Is banning really necessary?

2012-12-19 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
In a free society the mere idea of banning people just because we 
disagree with them goes against our principles of liberty and freedom.  
As long as there is civil discourse on an issue, how does that not 
enlighten the debate? Personal attacks are seriously discouraged here 
and those who engage in it are universally shunned for doing it.  Every 
great thinkers from Galileo, Martin Luther, Nicoli Tesla, even Chicago 
automotive genius Preston Tucker all offended someone higher up and were 
subject to banning of their ideas. Hoe did this ever help mankind? Now 
we are finding the banning in some communities of even Christmas by 
those who claim it offends them. Even our vocabulary is changed as 
people are not allowed to talk about problems but the world 
challenges or issues is considered the PC flavor of the month.


Look as Raoul saidit is the Christmas season, a time for reflection, 
listening to choirs and watching the grand children's eyes all a glow 
etc.  So please enjoy the season,  the enhanced DX during the days and 
months ahead, and for once put the animosity aside.


Nobody should be banned from this reflector having contrarian views as 
long as they are not harmful and deliberately hurtful to others.  
Remember the truths usually emerges from the crucible of debate.  The 
worst thing is not to have the debate at all so we are just left with 
preachments that go unchallenged.


I sincerely hope that my remarks were taken will out enraging anyone.

Feliz Navidade Amigos


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ







On 12/19/2012 7:00 PM, Dave Harmon wrote:

That's right Harold
I wish he was banned againand stay gone.
I try to learn everything I can from the knowledgeable guys on here.
It is difficult enough without having to get mad.

Dave Harmon
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok.





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Topband: F-connector installation tool (was: PE coated RG6)

2012-12-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist

There was recently a discussion about installing F connectors.
I ran across a handy tool for this at Lowe's (SKU 303123).  It is a
small pistol grip attached to a female F connector.  The
idea is that you screw on the male connector that you
want to put on the end of the cable, and it helps to
give you leverage to push it onto the cable with high
force, and avoid buckling.

It is an RCA brand Model VH149N, but actually made
by Audiovox.  It gives this web site:

www.recaccessories.com

but AFAIK this tool isn't on the site.

Also see:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_303123-63374-VH149R_0__?Ntt=f+connector+installation+toolUserSearch=f+connector+installation+toolproductId=3738041rpp=32

This is the VH149R model.  Seems to be the same as the N version
that I have.

Rick N6RK
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Re: Topband: ARRL LOTW and More

2012-12-19 Thread k6xt
We should face a couple of facts. Budget wise ARRL is a very small 
outfit, serving a very small population. DXCC is just a fraction, and 
not a very vital fraction, of ARRL's efforts. What's probably more vital 
to the future success of Amateur Radio is not us reprobate dinosaurs 
with ohmygosh external HF antennae, if you'll permit me to generalize 
beginning with myself. Its the public service volunteer sector. Notice 
who gets the QST writeups, and who gets the once a year minority report.


Nonetheless I rate the DXCC department first class bearing in mind their 
constraints. Some evidence:


My CQWW CW QSO's are fully implemented in LoTW including QSL's from QSO 
partners who also uploaded.


I made an online card submission 11 November. It was processed 30 
November. (I/ve lost track whether 11 NOV is the day they received the 
cards, or the day I made the online submission).


I made a LoTW submission on 13 November. It was processed and listed on 
the SAME DAY 13 November.


On the down side my OK DX RTTY submission, uploaded 18 December 12 (for 
those sans calendars that's yesterday), is not in LoTW yet. Damn those 
Connecticut Yankees, they just can't seem to get anything done!


Lest we forget where ARRL gets its funding. This gotta have it now 
mentality has only one solution. Those who think ARRL and DXCC operate 
in the Dark Ages need only send in substantial bequests and whatever 
problems there are can be fixed.


--
73 Art K6XT~~
Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.
ARRL, GMCC, CW OPS, NAQCC
ARRL TA

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