Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
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 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 This got picked up for 6.0.6 with commits
 9e41f6e33dd6798617928768ca20c6525caa0e73,
 91b048b4a146b32467206f13729a24cc13d506bc and
 b21cda730fcbb6a1d6ca7a2dff8533598c01f9db.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
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 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 This will appear in 6.5a2 (tor-browser-45.2.0esr-6.5-1 has the commits
 146ae4cc141f702785f896ff8c90bdfa0ab90b60,
 59a087921cc38432f6829c3bccf3ba23fe184c63 and
 83f53ee4897f6047c0c691d86833c6960311768e).

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Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
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 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by f451022):

 About startpage statement of tor we can learn those:
 [https://support.startpage.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/288/0
 /how-does-startpage-interact-with-tor]
 [https://support.startpage.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/294/0
 /startpages-use-of-captchas]

 stupid statement...

 I say Let's go duckduckgo!

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Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
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 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by mikeperry):

 Thanks f451022. We've tried to use StartPage in the past, but they started
 captching Tor users before.

 FYI, I pushed the changes for 6.5-alpha to add an optional HTML DDG .onion
 to the omnibox, but make the HTTPS Javascript the default. StartPage is
 also still in there for folks who want to switch.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
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 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by f451022):

 I create a thread on duckduckgo forum:
 https://duck.co/forum/thread/22939/duckduckgo-quoted-as-a-possible-
 default-of-tor-bro

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Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
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 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by f451022):

 I think it would be a good alternative since two of the three options
 disconnect.me return to duckdcuckgo, and the one who does not return does
 not bring good results

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Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
--+--
 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by f451022):

 an alternative to the case, with its requirements of deficiencies
 javscript would return to the startpage

 it had some changes since ceased to be standard, and also brings a good
 experience with javascript

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Re: [tor-bugs] #19735 [Applications/Tor Browser]: replace disconnect with duckduckgo

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#19735: replace disconnect with duckduckgo
--+--
 Reporter:  f451022   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-usability |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by mikeperry):

 * keywords:   => tbb-usability
 * owner:   => tbb-team
 * component:  - Select a component => Applications/Tor Browser


Comment:

 I was going to switch this for the release next week, but I realized that
 DuckDuckGo does not automatically handle the Javascript-disabled case.

 In my ideal world, we would replace Disconnect with a search engine that
 provided a javascript experience for users with javascript enabled, but
 automatically fell back to the HTML version if javascript was disabled.

 As for the hidden service being the default or not, I am leaning towards
 not, for the following reasons:

 1. For medium-high security Tor Browser users, they will get the non-
 Javascript version of the hidden service, since it is not https. I think
 the right answer here is an EV cert for the HS (which will also help with
 user confusion).
 2. It's not clear that the duckduckgo .onion is using SingleOnionServices,
 OnionBalanace, and other optimizations that are likely needed to handle
 our full userbase.

 I may still switch the default search to the javascript HTTPS version of
 DuckDuckGo in the meantime for the 6.5 alpha, though.

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