Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  reopened
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  website redesign
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  FAQ   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by traumschule):

 oh, sorry for confusing this! Reading it again a wiki page was proposed
 above, maybe similar like
 [[doc/PluggableTransports/GuidelinesForDeployingPTs]]? Probably too long:
 [[doc/GuidelinesForDeployingApplicationsUsingTor]]

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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  reopened
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  website redesign
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  FAQ   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by tom):

 * status:  closed => reopened
 * resolution:  fixed =>


Comment:

 This is actually about more than just trademark, so we want to keep this
 open.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  website redesign
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  FAQ   |  Actual Points:
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Changes (by traumschule):

 * status:  needs_information => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 From my perspective this is implemented: https://www.torproject.org/docs
 /trademark-faq

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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  website redesign
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  FAQ   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by traumschule):

 * keywords:   => FAQ


Comment:

 The UA differs depending on the used OS and its is not the only way to
 fingerprint users (#26146).

 I wonder if a link to the [https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git tor
 spec] in the FAQ answering a question like "How to implement an
 application based on/like Tor" is what the reporter meant.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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third parties
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  website redesign
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:|  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by hiro):

 * milestone:   => website redesign


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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
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 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:4 arthuredelstein]:
 > Having the same user agent is probably unnecessary in most cases,
 because it's probably impossible to make another browser (except maybe
 Firefox and derivatives) otherwise indistinguishable from Tor Browser.

 Oh, something else which I forgot that is also very important: Cloudflare
 shows captchas if you're using Tor and the user-agent is different than
 TB. You can easily reproduce this by going to https://blockchain.info
 which usually doesn't show a captcha with Tor Browser (or pick a better
 example). Then change the user-agent in `about:config` to the one for FF55
 for example, then click on New Identity, and go to https://blockchain.info
 again which will surely show you a captcha. You can test this with a
 variety of websites behind Cloudflare to confirm this behavior.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:|  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:4 arthuredelstein]:
 > Having the same user agent is probably unnecessary in most cases,
 because it's probably impossible to make another browser (except maybe
 Firefox and derivatives) otherwise indistinguishable from Tor Browser.

 That's not the goal with that, and it doesn't disprove that it shouldn't
 be made (it's rather to make it more difficult for naive tracking -
 imagine a situation in which a single site with a small number of visitors
 who is also visited by one TB user, one Firefox user with Tor mode, and
 one Brave user with Tor mode, and there's someone looking at the logs
 trying to distinguish them). I should point out that the user agent is
 only one component of it, the more general thing is to make the header
 uniform.`*`

 FWIW I think the classification, if done as you suggest in a checklist
 form, should be divided into necessary and unnecessary (with strongly
 recommended and preferable sub-categories).

 _

 `*` : For example, for Firefox in private browsing (I assume that's where
 the Tor mode may be based off) the default behavior is to send `DNT=1` in
 the header.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:|  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
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Changes (by mcs):

 * cc: brade, mcs (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #23446 [Webpages/Website]: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration by third parties

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#23446: Write a guidelines documentation for requirements with Tor integration 
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third parties
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 Reporter:  cypherpunks   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  task  | Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Webpages/Website  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:|  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by arthuredelstein):

 * component:  Applications/Tor Browser => Webpages/Website


Comment:

 I think this is a nice idea. Perhaps we could write it in the form of a
 checklist. Starting a page on the wiki might be easiest for now. Of course
 in the case of browsers, the Tor Browser spec will also be highly
 relevant.

 > 1. Having the user agent the same as the Tor Browser (Otherwise
 fingerprinting would be easy).

 Having the same user agent is probably unnecessary in most cases, because
 it's probably impossible to make another browser (except maybe Firefox and
 derivatives) otherwise indistinguishable from Tor Browser.

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