Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  (none)
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_revision
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  unspecified
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth,|  Actual Points:
  034-triage-20180328|
Parent ID:  #26685   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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 * status:  assigned => needs_revision


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  (none)
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  assigned
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  unspecified
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth,|  Actual Points:
  034-triage-20180328|
Parent ID:  #26685   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by teor):

 * owner:  teor => (none)
 * status:  needs_revision => assigned


Comment:

 Not on any roadmap yet.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_revision
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  unspecified
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth,|  Actual Points:
  034-triage-20180328|
Parent ID:  #26685   | Points:  1
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 * parent:   => #26685


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_revision
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  unspecified
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth,|  Actual Points:
  034-triage-20180328|
Parent ID:   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by teor):

 Replying to [comment:18 nickm]:
 > Replying to [comment:14 teor]:
 > > Do you want to rephrase any of this existing text?
 > >
 > >Libraries SHOULD parse and cache the most recent version of these
 lists
 > >during their build or release processes. Libraries MUST NOT
 retrieve the
 > >lists by default every time they are deployed or executed.
 >
 > I'd suggest maybe:
 >
 > Library developers SHOULD be sure that they ship the most recent
 version of these lists, and SHOULD check for the freshness of these lists
 as part of their build or release process. Library developers SHOULD NOT
 automatically replace these files without human intervention.
 >
 > I think auto-fetching these, even with https, is a dangerous idea.

 In a different spec review, nickm also noted that "key_value SP key_value"
 is technically ambiguous. We don't have that construct in this spec,
 because we only have one key_value per line. But we do have the similarly
 ambiguous "key_value SP+".

 Let's exclude space from value to resolve this ambiguity.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_revision
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  unspecified
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth,|  Actual Points:
  034-triage-20180328|
Parent ID:   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by teor):

 * parent:  #24786 =>
 * milestone:  Tor: 0.3.4.x-final => Tor: unspecified


Comment:

 This isn't part of any milestone in 0.3.4, and now that #24854 is done,
 metrics, ooni, stem, and fusion can easily get the list of authorities and
 fallbacks. (The formats aren't consistent with each other, but they are
 standardised and parseable.)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
-+-
 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_revision
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  0.3.4.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth,|  Actual Points:
  034-triage-20180328|
Parent ID:  #24786   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
-+-
Changes (by nickm):

 * keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, 034-triage-20180328,
 034-removed-20180328 => torspec, tor-dirauth, 034-triage-20180328


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
--+
 Reporter:  teor  |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  needs_revision
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.4.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24786| Points:  1
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by nickm):

 * status:  needs_review => needs_revision
 * keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, review-group-29, review-group-31 =>
 torspec, tor-dirauth


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
-+-
 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  0.3.4.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, review-|  Actual Points:
  group-29, review-group-31  |
Parent ID:  #24786   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by nickm):

 Replying to [comment:14 teor]:
 > Do you want to rephrase any of this existing text?
 >
 >Libraries SHOULD parse and cache the most recent version of these
 lists
 >during their build or release processes. Libraries MUST NOT retrieve
 the
 >lists by default every time they are deployed or executed.

 I'd suggest maybe:

 Library developers SHOULD be sure that they ship the most recent
 version of these lists, and SHOULD check for the freshness of these lists
 as part of their build or release process. Library developers SHOULD NOT
 automatically replace these files without human intervention.

 I think auto-fetching these, even with https, is a dangerous idea.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  0.3.4.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, review-|  Actual Points:
  group-29   |
Parent ID:  #24786   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by teor):

 (Let's not merge this until 0.3.4.)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  0.3.4.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, review-|  Actual Points:
  group-29   |
Parent ID:  #24786   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by teor):

 * milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final => Tor: 0.3.4.x-final


Comment:

 We have time to do this ticket and its children, let's do them well in
 0.3.4.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, review-|  Actual Points:
  group-29   |
Parent ID:  #24786   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by teor):

 * status:  needs_revision => needs_review


Comment:

 Replying to [comment:12 nickm]:
 > 4c9df2330ff39353ec8ae13459472c3f59102faf:
 >
 > s/attempted parse this file/attempted to parse this file/

 Fixup in 689af75

 > When giving the URLs where the authority list and fallback list can be
 received, we should probably make it clear that automatically fetching
 them is _not_ recommended.

 Do you want to rephrase any of this existing text?

Libraries SHOULD parse and cache the most recent version of these lists
during their build or release processes. Libraries MUST NOT retrieve
 the
lists by default every time they are deployed or executed.

The latest authority list can be retrieved from:

  https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/plain/src/or/auth_dirs.inc

The latest fallback list can be retrieved from:

  https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/plain/src/or/fallback_dirs.inc

Libraries MUST NOT rely on the availability of the server that hosts
these lists.

 > Otherwise this branch looks good to me.  Do we currently have anything
 that consumes these files, other than our C compiler when we build Tor?
 If not, we should document that fact, since whoever is the first to
 actually parse it based on the documentation will be a surprised person.

 I expect to send the draft spec and formatted file to the tool authors,
 and merge them both after they approve. We have 6-12 months before the
 next fallback list. I'll re-target these tickets to 0.3.4.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
-+-
 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_revision
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, review-|  Actual Points:
  group-29   |
Parent ID:  #24786   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by nickm):

 * status:  needs_review => needs_revision


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:
 |  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium   |  Milestone:  Tor:
 |  0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal   | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth, review-|  Actual Points:
  group-29   |
Parent ID:  #24786   | Points:  1
 Reviewer:   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by nickm):

 4c9df2330ff39353ec8ae13459472c3f59102faf:

 s/attempted parse this file/attempted to parse this file/

 When giving the URLs where the authority list and fallback list can be
 received, we should probably make it clear that automatically fetching
 them is _not_ recommended.


 Otherwise this branch looks good to me.  Do we currently have anything
 that consumes these files, other than our C compiler when we build Tor?
 If not, we should document that fact, since whoever is the first to
 actually parse it based on the documentation will be a surprised person.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor  |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24786| Points:  1
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by teor):

 I updated the format to be more readable, precisely describe the format we
 intend to generate, and make the conditional parts of the format clearer.

 This affects #24851 and #24852.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor  |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24786| Points:  1
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by beastr0):

 * cc: beastr0@… (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor  |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24786| Points:  1
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by teor):

 * status:  assigned => needs_review


Comment:

 dir-list-spec.txt in my branch dir-list at
 ​​https://github.com/teor2345/torspec.git needs review.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
--+
 Reporter:  teor  |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-dirauth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24786| Points:  1
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by teor):

 * keywords:  torspec, tor-auth => torspec, tor-dirauth


Comment:

 Replying to [comment:6 teor]:
 > Parenting to #24786, because this affects the fallback file format as
 well.
 >
 > Here's what we need to do here:
 > * specify the unified authority and fallback formats
 >   * move each field to its own line
 >   * reorder fields so the files are as similar as possible

 I have updated my branch dir-list at
 ​https://github.com/teor2345/torspec.git

 The list of changes is here:
 https://github.com/teor2345/torspec/commits/dir-list

 I have asked for feedback on tor-dev:

 https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2018-January/012784.html

 I have split the other tasks off into tickets:

 > * create a script that generates the authority format from the
 authorities in the current consensus
 >   * apply address overrides
 >   * make sure the details match the current list
 >   * check that all supported Tor versions can parse the list (existing
 unit tests)

 #24851

 > * update the fallback script to generate the new format, and increment
 the version
 >   * modify the structure of the current list, but not the content
 >   * check that all supported Tor versions (0.2.9 and later) can parse
 the list (existing unit tests)

 #24852

 backport the new authority and fallback files

 #24853

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
---+
 Reporter:  teor   |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-auth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24786 | Points:  1
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
---+
Changes (by teor):

 * parent:   => #24786


Comment:

 Parenting to #24786, because this affects the fallback file format as
 well.

 Here's what we need to do here:
 * specify the unified authority and fallback formats
   * move each field to its own line
   * reorder fields so the files are as similar as possible
 * create a script that generates the authority format from the authorities
 in the current consensus
   * apply address overrides
   * make sure the details match the current list
   * check that all supported Tor versions can parse the list (existing
 unit tests)
 * update the fallback script to generate the new format, and increment the
 version
   * modify the structure of the current list, but not the content
   * check that all supported Tor versions (0.2.9 and later) can parse the
 list (existing unit tests)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
---+
 Reporter:  teor   |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-auth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:  1
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Changes (by nickm):

 * parent:  #24742 =>


Comment:

 Unparenting from #24742 so we can close that.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
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---+
 Reporter:  teor   |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-auth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24742 | Points:  1
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Comment (by teor):

 I made a start on this in branch dir-list at
 https://github.com/teor2345/torspec.git

 It documents the 2.0.0 fallback format (branch fallback-format-2-v4), and
 the current authority format in config.c.

 Next step is to unify the formats, and modify both files to match.
 (I'm targeting 0.3.3 with this change, so there's no need to hold up the
 new fallback list. We put a version number in the list, so we can do
 format changes like this.)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor   |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-auth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24742 | Points:  1
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Comment (by nickm):

 +1

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor   |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-auth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24742 | Points:  1
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Comment (by atagar):

 Oooh, I really like this idea. Thanks for suggesting it.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor   |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement| Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  torspec, tor-auth  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #24742 | Points:  1
 Reviewer: |Sponsor:
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Comment (by teor):

 The latest version of the fallback spec is at:
 https://github.com/teor2345/torspec/blob/fallback-format-2-v3/fallback-
 spec.txt

 We would need to modify it to specify authorities.

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[tor-bugs] #24818 [Core Tor/Tor]: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a standard format

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#24818: Make the hard-coded authorities into a separate include file with a
standard format
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 Reporter:  teor  |  Owner:  teor
 Type:  enhancement   | Status:  assigned
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:  Tor: 0.3.3.x-final
Component:  Core Tor/Tor  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal|   Keywords:  torspec, tor-auth
Actual Points:|  Parent ID:  #24742
   Points:  1 |   Reviewer:
  Sponsor:|
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 In #24742, we created a specification for a standard fallback file format.
 We could use this for a list of hard-coded authorities as well.

 This would make it easier for stem, metrics lib, external applications,
 and custom tor implementations to track the latest authority changes.

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