Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by antonela):

 Created tickets from both above :)

 #26321, #26322

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by antonela):

 Just found this

 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309
 /VirtualBox_-linux-test_06_06_2018_20_35_03.png

 Can we use the v3 address in two lines?

 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/060618-1.png

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Changes (by antonela):

 * Attachment "060618-1.png" added.


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Changes (by antonela):

 * Attachment "VirtualBox_-linux-test_06_06_2018_20_35_03.png" added.


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by antonela):

 Arthur this is looking 

 I'm wondering if we should remove the "New Tor Circuit for this Site" link
 from the Tor Button. I think the shortcut works perfect for Power Users
 and since we have the main CTA at the display now, I don't see why we
 should have it on the menu. What do you think?

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:64 arthuredelstein]:
 > Replying to [comment:62 gk]:
 > > Okay, I cherry-picked ef3476c5068d8597084c781a25792ce9ccef378c and
 fixed two typos in a follow-up commit
 (a3447ddb13c279e7e4c384610b98a045e7f932bb). Thanks, great work!
 > >
 > > What's the idea behind the "const-ification" in the other commit?
 FWIW: I am not sure whether this is actually bound to this bug (given you
 used the same bug number).
 >
 > Something igt0 suggested when he reviewed the patch. Technically I
 should be using `const` often where I am using `let`. Maybe it's better to
 ignore this patch for now and we can decide whether to constify the whole
 codebase at some point.

 I opened #26184 to gather our thoughts for a "constification".

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805 => ux-team,
   TorBrowserTeam201805R
 * status:  needs_review => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 Okay, I think we are good here, closing. Thanks everyone!

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:63 arthuredelstein]:
 > Here is a patch that fixes two issues:
 >   1. mcs observed that one of the Relay lines was wrapping on a version
 of macOS.
 >   2. In TBB/ESR60, the door hanger sometimes is rendering too small to
 show everything inside (typically the bottom and right edges are cut off).
 The `ensureCorrectPopupDimensions` function fixes this problem. Something
 similar also happens in ESR52 when I add `white-space: nowrap;` to the CSS
 file, and `ensureCorrectPopupDimensions` fixes that as well.
 >
 > https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/commits/24309+10

 Looks good. I pushed this to `master` as commit
 8057989d2d37edcce8cc3bf04e6a145d19440be6 (I reworked the commit message a
 bit). Let's hear from antonela and isabela first whether that fixes the
 issue they had before closing this ticket.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Replying to [comment:62 gk]:
 > Okay, I cherry-picked ef3476c5068d8597084c781a25792ce9ccef378c and fixed
 two typos in a follow-up commit
 (a3447ddb13c279e7e4c384610b98a045e7f932bb). Thanks, great work!
 >
 > What's the idea behind the "const-ification" in the other commit? FWIW:
 I am not sure whether this is actually bound to this bug (given you used
 the same bug number).

 Something igt0 suggested when he reviewed the patch. Technically I should
 be using `const` often where I am using `let`. Maybe it's better to ignore
 this patch for now and we can decide whether to constify the whole
 codebase at some point.

 > As said in my previous comment another thing open for this ticket is
 adapting the changes to ESR 60.
 This is happening in #26100. I with my patch in the previous comment plus
 the patches we will be proposing for #26100, I expect the circuit display
 will work.

 > Additionally, we might want to open a new ticket for my point 1 in
 comment:57.

 I opened #26174.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+--
Changes (by arthuredelstein):

 * status:  needs_revision => needs_review


Comment:

 Here is a patch that fixes two issues:
   1. mcs observed that one of the Relay lines was wrapping on a version of
 macOS.
   2. In TBB/ESR60, the door hanger sometimes is rendering too small to
 show everything inside (typically the bottom and right edges are cut off).
 The `ensureCorrectPopupDimensions` function fixes this problem. Something
 similar also happens in ESR52 when I add `white-space: nowrap;` to the CSS
 file, and `ensureCorrectPopupDimensions` fixes that as well.

 https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/commits/24309+10

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---

Comment (by gk):

 Okay, I cherry-picked ef3476c5068d8597084c781a25792ce9ccef378c and fixed
 two typos in a follow-up commit
 (a3447ddb13c279e7e4c384610b98a045e7f932bb). Thanks, great work!

 What's the idea behind the "const-ification" in the other commit? FWIW: I
 am not sure whether this is actually bound to this bug (given you used the
 same bug number).

 As said in my previous comment another thing open for this ticket is
 adapting the changes to ESR 60. Additionally, we might want to open a new
 ticket for my point 1 in comment:57.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---
Changes (by gk):

 * keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201805R => ux-team,
   TorBrowserTeam201805
 * status:  needs_review => needs_revision


Comment:

 That needs to get adapted to ESR 60 it seems (and after #26100 is ready).

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 [[Image(circuitWithBridge.png)]]

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R  |  Actual Points:
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 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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 * Attachment "circuitWithBridge.png" added.


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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 * Attachment "circuitWithBridge.png" added.


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Replying to [comment:57 gk]:
 > Two comments so far:
 >
 > The "Learn more" link goes to the Tor Browser manual in *general* but
 seems to indicate that the user gets to know more about why the guard node
 is not changing in *particular*. I wonder whether we should link to a
 dedicate guard related section in the manual instead (which has to get
 written yet).

 Yes, we definitely should.

 > Looking at https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#EntryGuards it
 seems to me we are talking only about public relays and not private ones
 (i.e. bridges) when considering guards to the Tor network. However, the UI
 shows "Guard" and "Your Guard node may not change. Learn more", too, in
 cases where users have configured bridges. I think this is misleading and
 we should avoid that.

 Good point. Here's a new version that hides the "Guard" stuff when a
 bridge is being used:

 https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/commits/24309+7

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 Two comments so far:

 The "Learn more" link goes to the Tor Browser manual in *general* but
 seems to indicate that the user gets to know more about why the guard node
 is not changing in *particular*. I wonder whether we should link to a
 dedicate guard related section in the manual instead (which has to get
 written yet).

 Looking at https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#EntryGuards it
 seems to me we are talking only about public relays and not private ones
 (i.e. bridges) when considering guards to the Tor network. However, the UI
 shows "Guard" and "Your Guard node may not change. Learn more", too, in
 cases where users have configured bridges. I think this is misleading and
 we should avoid that.

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804 => ux-team,
   TorBrowserTeam201804R


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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+--
Changes (by arthuredelstein):

 * Attachment "torbutton-1.9.9.1.2.xpi" added.


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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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 * status:  needs_revision => needs_review


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---

Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Here's a new version of the patch that works around the Windows bug. I
 tested this on Ubuntu, Windows, and MacOS and it seems to be OK on all
 three. I also re-tested in Arabic (on Linux).

 igt0 also suggested I change `let` to `const` wherever appropriate in
 `tor-circuit-display.js`. I've done that in a second patch in the same
 branch.

 https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/commits/24309+6

 Right now the "Learn More" link goes to the Tor Browser Manual page. But
 we can easily change the link to somewhere more specific once we have some
 text ready.

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---

Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Replying to [comment:49 gk]:
 > On my Windows 7 box I can only open the circuit display every second
 time. Getting the display shown alternates with the display flashing up in
 the upper left corner of the browser (chrome) window. There is nothing
 visible in the error console.
 >
 > Arthur, let me know if you can reproduce that on any of your systems. If
 not, I'll try to track this down on my end.

 I can reproduce it! I'm looking into how to fix it.

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---

Comment (by dmr):

 Long comment, so breaking it up into chunks...

  Educating users, color, additional info?

 Replying to [comment:33 isabela]:
 > I like the idea to add the Exit label. I would change the whole thing
 though, and by that I mean I would have label for each node (going back to
 the idea of using every moment to educate our users). I would have
 'Guard', 'Middle', 'Exit'.
 I like the idea of educating the users, but I fear that introducing
 //all// of these terms //AND// that their guard node shouldn't change
 //AND// giving them a button to click //AND// giving them a link to click
 //AND// providing the existing 'Secure Connection' Firefox info* //AND//
 providing the existing Permissions info... would be overload.
 I would encourage that we validate this, however, but I could see it as
 easily overwhelming.

 ^^* which I believe could be, for an HTTPS mixed-content page, saying
 [[span(style=color: #FF, Connection is Not Secure)]] and itself having
 clickable UI elements to learn more.

 I really like the color tie-in of the **[[span(style=color: #7D4698,
 Guard)]]** label at the guard node and in the explanation text - that
 visually connects the two together. I see it as a major strength to the
 design. Similar to overload above, I don't think we can add much more info
 here and tie it all together visually - that use of color would be
 difficult to scale up.

 Since we're talking about mock-ups that have `.onion` sites, I'd like to
 point out that the "Exit" concept doesn't exist there, so if we're trying
 to educate users on the purpose of the various relays, that would be even
 tougher. We'd need to identify the client's 3rd relay as something other
 than an exit ("Rendezvous" might be too confusing) and they'd wonder
 further about the unmarked `Relay` nodes from the Onion Service.

 Lastly, since we have a Guard node `Learn more` link to the manual, maybe
 we can consider education holistically, by presenting layered info for
 them to follow if it interests them. That is: if a user follows this link,
 we could potentially:
 * first present them with the direct info they want to know - why doesn't
 the Guard node change?
 * either below that or with another "Learn more" link (maybe "Learn more
 about other types of Tor relays"), teach them a bit more related info

  Display IP addresses? (imo: yes)

 Replying to [comment:33 isabela]:
 > The IP addresses are something people sometimes want to know so I would
 try to keep them to make it convenient for the user. That said, I wonder
 if it will be indeed too crowed, for some reason I don't think it would.
 But I leave this to Antonela to decide :) if having it there is ok or if
 its better to put it in tooltip or something.

 I agree - it's really nice to get a peek into what Tor is doing under the
 hood.

 It's especially helpful to have the exit IP as confirmation to a
 nontechnical user that "hey, this new circuit button thing actually did
 something", since sometimes it gives you another exit in the same geoip
 country.

 It's similarly especially helpful when multiple relays in the path are
 from the same geoip country.


  Hiding info for user protection? (this is probably orthogonal - move
 to another ticket?)

 Replying to [comment:5 arthuredelstein]:
 > We might also consider hiding the Guard IP address so that users are
 less likely to leak their Guard information.

 I reviewed this ticket and don't see any responses to that. Maybe a
 decision was made in a meeting?

 Anyway: how big of a concern is leaking this info? and what can we
 realistically do about it, without impacting the other goals of this
 display?
 I imagine that //lots// of info in this display + surrounding context is
 potentially risky. We see:
 * the Guard's IP address
 * the Exit's IP address
 * the target website
 * potentially further portions of the website URL or page, if the user
 took a screenshot

 I could see the Guard info as being particularly important to hide, since
 Guards change much less frequently, and some other data like screenshot
 timestamp (if the file was obtained/shared/etc.) could be used to further
 reduce the anonymity set of that person.

 

Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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 * cc: dmr (added)


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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
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Comment (by gk):

 Oh, and this happens on a different Windows 8 system, too.

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---
Changes (by gk):

 * keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R => ux-team,
   TorBrowserTeam201804
 * status:  needs_review => needs_revision


Comment:

 On my Windows box I can only open the circuit display every second time.
 Getting the display shown alternates with the display flashing up in the
 upper left corner of the browser (chrome) window. There is nothing visible
 in the error console.

 Arthur, let me know if you can reproduce that on any of your systems. If
 not, I'll try to track this down on my end.

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
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Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Comment (by antonela):

 Replying to [comment:46 gk]:
 > Replying to [comment:44 arthuredelstein]:
 > > Replying to [comment:39 cypherpunks]:
 > > > The circuit display was removed from `popup.xul` but the menu item
 for New Tor Circuit wasn't, is that intentional
 
https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/blob/cd52c9587d38d2935f2cc789a033c552a3ceacab/src/chrome/content/popup.xul#L24-L29
 ?
 > > >
 > > > Also a quick look at the code shows no sign of any mention of the
 shortcut `Ctrl+Shift+L` as suggested in comment:12, is that by design?
 > >
 > > These are good questions. I'm not sure what the right design decision
 is. For now, retaining the original menu item means the Ctrl+Shift+L still
 works and is still indicated. But do we want to remove the menu item and
 show the keyboard shortcut on the button instead?
 >
 > The plan is to not have the circuit display and related functionality in
 the Torbutton menu anymore (and ultimately not even in Torbutton itself
 anymore), so, yes, I think we should remove the menu item in the Torbutton
 menu,
 >
 Yes, indeed
 > keep the shortcut but make it visible in the new doorhanger.
 I don't think the doorhanger is the best place to learn about the
 shortcut. But we can think about it.

 > I feel, it's not critical for getting v1 of this redesign out to users,
 though. (We could do this in a follow-up accumulating other changes we
 want found while testing)

 Yes. Security Indicators, Security Settings, Tor Browser Settings, and
 Onboarding could be part of this testing combo.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect  | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser|Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804R  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela|Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804 => ux-team,
   TorBrowserTeam201804R


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+--

Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:44 arthuredelstein]:
 > Replying to [comment:39 cypherpunks]:
 > > The circuit display was removed from `popup.xul` but the menu item for
 New Tor Circuit wasn't, is that intentional
 
https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/blob/cd52c9587d38d2935f2cc789a033c552a3ceacab/src/chrome/content/popup.xul#L24-L29
 ?
 > >
 > > Also a quick look at the code shows no sign of any mention of the
 shortcut `Ctrl+Shift+L` as suggested in comment:12, is that by design?
 >
 > These are good questions. I'm not sure what the right design decision
 is. For now, retaining the original menu item means the Ctrl+Shift+L still
 works and is still indicated. But do we want to remove the menu item and
 show the keyboard shortcut on the button instead?

 The plan is to not have the circuit display and related functionality in
 the Torbutton menu anymore (and ultimately not even in Torbutton itself
 anymore), so, yes, I think we should remove the menu item in the Torbutton
 menu, keep the shortcut but make it visible in the new doorhanger.

 I feel, it's not critical for getting v1 of this redesign out to users,
 though. (We could do this in a follow-up accumulating other changes we
 want found while testing)

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
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 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---

Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Replying to [comment:39 cypherpunks]:
 > The circuit display was removed from `popup.xul` but the menu item for
 New Tor Circuit wasn't, is that intentional
 
https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/blob/cd52c9587d38d2935f2cc789a033c552a3ceacab/src/chrome/content/popup.xul#L24-L29
 ?
 >
 > Also a quick look at the code shows no sign of any mention of the
 shortcut `Ctrl+Shift+L` as suggested in comment:12, is that by design?

 These are good questions. I'm not sure what the right design decision is.
 For now, retaining the original menu item means the Ctrl+Shift+L still
 works and is still indicated. But do we want to remove the menu item and
 show the keyboard shortcut on the button instead?

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
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 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 I posted an .xpi with the correct version to test. Same instructions as in
 comment:40. Sorry for the confusion!

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by arthuredelstein):

 * Attachment "torbutton-1.9.9.1.xpi" added.


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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
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 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 It seems somehow I failed to correctly push the latest version. Here's the
 current version:

 htts://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/commit/24309+2
 (cd52c9587d38d2935f2cc789a033c552a3ceacab)

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
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 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 I can confirm what gk said with the xpi above, the icon and the grey box
 don't showup for me.

 In addition there's a discrepancy in behavior with the earlier Torbutton,
 with `meek-amazon` it shows up `meek 0.0.2.0`, the `0.0.2.0` isn't
 supposed to be shown.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+---
Changes (by gk):

 * status:  needs_review => needs_revision


Comment:

 Nice work, Arthur! I just gave it a quick look for now: the circuit icon
 is not showing up for me on my Linux 64 box, not sure why. The display
 looks in that regard as the ones you added to comment:26.

 I've added the .xpi for others to test, so they don't have to compile it
 themselves. Copying it over the one shipped in Tor Browser (but keep the
 name of the one shipped in Tor Browser!) should do it.

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:
   |  needs_revision
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
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 * Attachment "torbutton-1.9.9.xpi" added.


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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
---+--

Comment (by cypherpunks):

 The circuit display was removed from `popup.xul` but the menu item for New
 Tor Circuit wasn't, is that intentional
 
https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/blob/cd52c9587d38d2935f2cc789a033c552a3ceacab/src/chrome/content/popup.xul#L24-L29
 ?

 Also a quick look at the code shows no sign of any mention of the shortcut
 `Ctrl+Shift+L` as suggested in comment:12, is that by design?

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  needs_review
 Priority:  High   |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201804  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by arthuredelstein):

 * status:  new => needs_review


Comment:

 Here's my patch for review:
 https://github.com/arthuredelstein/torbutton/commit/24309

 Glad to get any feedback both on the code and the appearance. :)

 Here are screenshots for English and Arabic. The latter includes strings I
 obtained via Google
 Translate merely for testing purposes; the final text will be from
 translators.

 [[Image(long_en.png)]]
 [[Image(short_ar.png)]]

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
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Comment (by antonela):

 Based on today's meeting

 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/040418.png

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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Thanks everyone for the great comments! People have different ideas, so
 here are some things we can discuss at the next UX meeting:

 * Include icon or not?
 * Include (i) or not?
 * Include text about guards and Learn More link at bottom or not?
 * How should we label the nodes? IP addresses or node types?
 * Call it "Tor Circuit" or "Tor Path"?
 * What text for "Reload Circuit" button?

 Of course, we can make an alpha version and continue to revise as we get
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Comment (by isabela):

 Hi there! Jumping in the discussion :)

 Thanks Arthur for the work! Is looking great! Here are some thoughts:

 Replying to [comment:29 brade]:

 > Replying to [comment:26 arthuredelstein]:
 >
 >
 >
 > > ...
 > > It occurs to me that the Tor Circuit section needs an icon at left,
 similar to the lock in the "Secure Connection" section and the Permissions
 [✓|x] icon below. Any ideas what this icon should be? (An onion is
 probably not the right choice, because we're already using that for onion
 sites.) One possibility would be the "relay" icon in
 https://people.torproject.org/~irl/icons/
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >
 > I like the icon proposed by Antonela's attachment since I think it helps
 non-technical users understand what a "circuit" is (common understanding
 in US is that a circuit has to do with electronics).  I'm also OK with not
 having an icon since it does add some busy-ness to that section.
 >

 I am in for the icon. I think we need to start building more educational
 opportunities within our user interactions and this visual connection
 (using the relays icon that is used in other places) is a great thing for
 that.

 I don't believe is looking crowed. I actually think is making it more
 clear it's a thing of itself, not aggregated information related to what
 the user is used to see in this doorhanger (like certificate information
 stuff).

 >
 >
 > > Also I'm wondering if it's bad to have both the Guard (i) and "Learn
 More" links, since they seem to be redundant.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >
 > I disagree that they are redundant but I defer to Antonela as the
 designer.  To me, the Guard (i) icon should provide a general explanation
 about guards and maybe circuits.  The "Learn More" link has to do with the
 specific issues that users are confused why the whole circuit doesn't
 change when they request a new circuit.
 >
 > Another thought or two about these links:  If we are going to remove one
 of the links, I'd remove the (i) icon.  I find that the (i) icon is much
 too small; it's just a purple dot and not very recognizable as something
 that is clickable to get more info.  We know that this is a common area
 where users have questions so having an explicit "Learn More" link will
 stand out more and hopefully reduce user support in this area.
 >

 For the links question - I am in favor of removing the (i) from Guard.

 The Learn More link ideally should be linking to the manual.

 But the manual page should be updated (in my opinion). Here is where it
 talks about it:
 https://tb-manual.torproject.org/en-US/managing-identities.html

 There is no way to link to the right section inside this page :/ and the
 text there is not explaining the point we would like to explain either. So
 I think we need to update that too.

 Right now the best link for it is the support site question "Why is the
 first IP address in my relay circuit always the same? "
 https://support-staging.torproject.org/#tbb-2

 >
 >
 >
 > > Also, I liked Sukhbir's suggestion about adding an "Exit" label. We
 could even add a "Middle relay" label or more information about an onion
 site's relays. But I don't want it to look too cluttered either. Maybe
 tooltips are the best thing? ...
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >
 > Mark and I think that including both "Exit" and the IP address will add
 a lot of clutter.  Do we need to provide the IP address?  Maybe it would
 be better for the IP address to be shown in a tooltip and we should show
 middle relay and exit with links to help.

 I like the idea to add the Exit label. I would change the whole thing
 though, and by that I mean I would have label for each  node (going back
 to the idea of using every moment to educate our users). I would have
 'Guard', 'Middle', 'Exit'.

 The IP addresses are something people sometimes want to know so I would
 try to keep them to make it convenient for the user. That said, I wonder
 if it will be indeed too crowed, for some reason I don't think it would.
 But I leave this to Antonela to decide :) if having it there is ok or if
 its better to put it in tooltip or something.

 >
 > One other comment about your prototype:
 > The "Load New Circuit" button label is new text for Tor Browser.  The
 current menu label for this functionality is "New Tor 

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Comment (by arma):

 Replying to [comment:29 brade]:
 > I like the icon proposed by Antonela's attachment since I think it helps
 non-technical users understand what a "circuit" is

 While we're going for Arthur's pixel perfect: there's no reason
 necessarily that we need to force the word "circuit" on our users. If we
 find another word like "path" that we like more, we could use that
 instead. Maybe even in more places than just here.

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Comment (by brade):

 Replying to [comment:26 arthuredelstein]:
 > ...
 > It occurs to me that the Tor Circuit section needs an icon at left,
 similar to the lock in the "Secure Connection" section and the Permissions
 [✓|x] icon below. Any ideas what this icon should be? (An onion is
 probably not the right choice, because we're already using that for onion
 sites.) One possibility would be the "relay" icon in
 https://people.torproject.org/~irl/icons/

 I like the icon proposed by Antonela's attachment since I think it helps
 non-technical users understand what a "circuit" is (common understanding
 in US is that a circuit has to do with electronics).  I'm also OK with not
 having an icon since it does add some busy-ness to that section.

 > Any thoughts about where the "Guard (i)" and "Learn More" links should
 lead to? Somewhere in the Tor Browser manual? Or should these be tooltips?
 Or perhaps a single large info section could pop up next to the circuit
 display whenever the user hovers over it.

 If we only needed a few words of text, a tooltip would be fine but I think
 that we need more text to explain some concepts such as guard node.
 Expanding the display horizontally would be a great long-term design.  In
 the short-term, it would be OK to just load a web page of documentation.

 > Also I'm wondering if it's bad to have both the Guard (i) and "Learn
 More" links, since they seem to be redundant.

 I disagree that they are redundant but I defer to Antonela as the
 designer.  To me, the Guard (i) icon should provide a general explanation
 about guards and maybe circuits.  The "Learn More" link has to do with the
 specific issues that users are confused why the whole circuit doesn't
 change when they request a new circuit.

 Another thought or two about these links:  If we are going to remove one
 of the links, I'd remove the (i) icon.  I find that the (i) icon is much
 too small; it's just a purple dot and not very recognizable as something
 that is clickable to get more info.  We know that this is a common area
 where users have questions so having an explicit "Learn More" link will
 stand out more and hopefully reduce user support in this area.

 > Also, I liked Sukhbir's suggestion about adding an "Exit" label. We
 could even add a "Middle relay" label or more information about an onion
 site's relays. But I don't want it to look too cluttered either. Maybe
 tooltips are the best thing? ...

 Mark and I think that including both "Exit" and the IP address will add a
 lot of clutter.  Do we need to provide the IP address?  Maybe it would be
 better for the IP address to be shown in a tooltip and we should show
 middle relay and exit with links to help.

 One other comment about your prototype:
 The "Load New Circuit" button label is new text for Tor Browser.  The
 current menu label for this functionality is "New Tor Circuit for this
 Site".  I think we should not use such different labels for the same
 functionality.  I propose labeling this button "New Circuit for this
 Site"; Mark proposes: "Reload Using a New Circuit".

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Comment (by antonela):

 Replying to [comment:27 gk]:
 > Replying to [comment:26 arthuredelstein]:
 > > I have a working prototype for a patch. I have posted two screenshots
 below. I made a few tweaks to Antonela's version 8 design.
 > >
 > > I simplified the title of the circuit section to just "Tor Circuit,"
 because the domain or website name is shown in the "Secure Connection"
 section right above it. I moved the domain name to the last node in the
 circuit.
 >
 > Looks good to me!

 Indeed. Looks great Arthur!
 \\
 > > It occurs to me that the Tor Circuit section needs an icon at left,
 similar to the lock in the "Secure Connection" section and the Permissions
 [✓|x] icon below. Any ideas what this icon should be? (An onion is
 probably not the right choice because we're already using that for onion
 sites.) One possibility would be the "relay" icon in
 https://people.torproject.org/~irl/icons/
 >
 > What makes you believe it needs an icon, too? I think it's fine without
 one.

 At first glance, I thought we need an icon, so I made a mockup to see how
 it looks. But I think looks pretty crowded. Anw, in case we want it, the
 relay icon can make the job there.
 Please, take a look here
 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/032718.png

 \\
 > > Any thoughts about where the "Guard (i)" and "Learn More" links should
 lead to? Somewhere in the Tor Browser manual? Or should these be tooltips?
 Or perhaps a single large info section could pop up next to the circuit
 display whenever the user hovers over it. Also I'm wondering if it's bad
 to have both the Guard (i) and "Learn More" links, since they seem to be
 redundant.
 >
 > I think it depends on how much text we want to show. I am inclined to
 give a bit of text ("it stays the same for an amount of time") conveying
 the most important thing for users and link to the Tor Browser manual
 because
 >
 > a) there one can explain this in more details (referencing other
 sources)
 > b) users that might be confused by guard nodes might be confused by
 other parts of Tor Browser and having the manual open might help with
 that, too.
 >
 > Yes, the "Learn more" link should go. Actually, the more I think about
 the more I feel the whole text below the "Load New Circuit"-button should
 go because users might think the text is related to the button (which it
 is not). I think just sticking to the "i" icon and giving the most-
 pressing information while hovering over it is quite sufficient. At least
 for a first round of testing in the alpha versions of Tor Browser.
 >
 Guard (i) -> A tooltip inside the doorhanger seems weird. I see the
 [guard] label as an indicator and the (i) as a link to more info about
 guards and how TTB works. The manual seems the best place.
 "Learn More" -> I'm inclined to link the [learn more] to a wiki section
 where we explain specifically why guards don't change often.
 \\

 > > Also, I liked Sukhbir's suggestion about adding an "Exit" label. We
 could even add a "Middle relay" label or more information about an onion
 site's relays. But I don't want it to look too cluttered either. Maybe
 tooltips are the best thing?
 >
 > Let's think about that in the next round of iteration, if we really want
 it? I am not convinced yet and we might want to incorporate feedback from
 testing our current design idea before putting more info into the display.

 I like the idea too. But agreed with GeKo. Let's test it and we can
 iterate on it later. Things like colored dots to show connection progress
 or visual feedback on the status of the relays seems cool to explore too.

 \\

 I love how it is looking Arthur! I like that long and short circuits are
 working good with our structure. Do you think "relay" should be
 capitalized like "Relay"?

 Also, I think the subtle background on the bottom section [New Circuit +
 Links] helps a lot to group actions for better user understanding.

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Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:26 arthuredelstein]:
 > I have a working prototype for a patch. I have posted two screenshots
 below. I made a few tweaks to Antonela's version 8 design.
 >
 > I simplified the title of the circuit section to just "Tor Circuit,"
 because the domain or website name is shown in the "Secure Connection"
 section right above it. I moved the domain name to the last node in the
 circuit.

 Looks good to me!

 > It occurs to me that the Tor Circuit section needs an icon at left,
 similar to the lock in the "Secure Connection" section and the Permissions
 [✓|x] icon below. Any ideas what this icon should be? (An onion is
 probably not the right choice, because we're already using that for onion
 sites.) One possibility would be the "relay" icon in
 https://people.torproject.org/~irl/icons/

 What makes you believe it needs an icon, too? I think it's fine without
 one.

 > Any thoughts about where the "Guard (i)" and "Learn More" links should
 lead to? Somewhere in the Tor Browser manual? Or should these be tooltips?
 Or perhaps a single large info section could pop up next to the circuit
 display whenever the user hovers over it. Also I'm wondering if it's bad
 to have both the Guard (i) and "Learn More" links, since they seem to be
 redundant.

 I think it depends on how much text we want to show. I am inclined to give
 a bit of text ("it stays the same for an amount of time") conveying the
 most important thing for users and link to the Tor Browser manual because

 a) there one can explain this in more details (referencing other sources)
 b) users that might be confused by guard nodes might be confused by other
 parts of Tor Browser and having the manual open might help with that, too.

 Yes, the "Learn more" link should go. Actually, the more I think about the
 more I feel the whole text below the "Load New Circuit"-button should go
 because users might think the text is related to the button (which it is
 not). I think just sticking to the "i" icon and giving the most-pressing
 information while hovering over it is quite sufficient. At least for a
 first round of testing in the alpha versions of Tor Browser.

 > Also, I liked Sukhbir's suggestion about adding an "Exit" label. We
 could even add a "Middle relay" label or more information about an onion
 site's relays. But I don't want it to look too cluttered either. Maybe
 tooltips are the best thing?

 Let's think about that in the next round of iteration, if we really want
 it? I am not convinced yet and we might want to incorporate feedback from
 testing our current design idea before putting more info into the display.

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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 I have a working prototype for a patch. I have posted two screenshots
 below. I made a few tweaks to Antonela's version 8 design.

 I simplified the title of the circuit section to just "Tor Circuit,"
 because the domain or website name is shown in the "Secure Connection"
 section right above it. I moved the domain name to the last node in the
 circuit.

 It occurs to me that the Tor Circuit section needs an icon at left,
 similar to the lock in the "Secure Connection" section and the Permissions
 [✓|x] icon below. Any ideas what this icon should be? (An onion is
 probably not the right choice, because we're already using that for onion
 sites.) One possibility would be the "relay" icon in
 https://people.torproject.org/~irl/icons/

 Any thoughts about where the "Guard (i)" and "Learn More" links should
 lead to? Somewhere in the Tor Browser manual? Or should these be tooltips?
 Or perhaps a single large info section could pop up next to the circuit
 display whenever the user hovers over it. Also I'm wondering if it's bad
 to have both the Guard (i) and "Learn More" links, since they seem to be
 redundant.

 Also, I liked Sukhbir's suggestion about adding an "Exit" label. We could
 even add a "Middle relay" label or more information about an onion site's
 relays. But I don't want it to look too cluttered either. Maybe tooltips
 are the best thing?

 All feedback will be very welcome, no matter how seemingly trivial. I want
 to make it pixel perfect. :)

 [[Image(short-circuit.png)]]
 [[Image(long-circuit.png)]]

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201803  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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 * Attachment "short-circuit.png" added.


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
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 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Modest and incomplete prototype for the idea in comment:23 :

 [[Image(https://i.stack.imgur.com/m6jOf.png)]]

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201802  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Wouldn't what antonela proposed apply to the Android version as well so as
 to incorporate a circuit display and a new identity button in the Tor
 Browser for mobile? Firefox for Android, just like the desktop version,
 does show the padlock icon with HTTPS and shows a globe icon with HTTP,
 when clicking on them one can have the same result as when one clicks on
 the "i" icon in the URL bar in the desktop version.

 (Credits: This idea was inspired by gk's proposal, in particular the
 discussion in 2.2 https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tbb-
 dev/2018-February/000756.html ;)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201802  |  Actual Points:
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 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by sukhbir):

 Please feel free to ignore this comment since I realize I am late to the
 discussion. Adding the "guard" text here is a great idea not only for when
 users expect it to have changed, but also for why two different tabs have
 the same first (guard) node. A suggestion: can we also add something for
 the "Exit" with the similar "i" icon next to it? That helps show the
 website will see the IP address of the last node (and therefore will see
 traffic from the country) and helps solidify the idea of the three hops.
 Just a thought!

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
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 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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 * cc: sukhbir (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201801  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 So that the are all on the same page: the UX folks think they are done
 with the design for this ticket (which is fine to me). I think we should
 block coding on coming up with a good UX part for #24918. Otherwise we
 might be ready with the bulk of the work but can't ship it as we have not
 figured out how to help the users finding and using the new display. That
 in turn would probably result in bitrot which we should avoid.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201801  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:13 gk]:
 > One thing I forgot: If we follow the doorhanger idea we should think
 quite a bit about how to communicate that change to Tor Browser users who
 are used to circuit display being behind the onion menu.

 That's #24918.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela|  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect | Status:  new
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser   |Version:
 Severity:  Normal | Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201801  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID: | Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela   |Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * keywords:  ux-team => ux-team, TorBrowserTeam201801


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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
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 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
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Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Also with the doorhanger idea one functionality is lost: One has to wait
 until the doorhanger appears before you can see which circuit was chosen.
 Previously, you can leave the Torbutton window open and you can see the
 chosen circuit as soon as it's set to go.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:13 gk]:
 > One thing I forgot: If we follow the doorhanger idea we should think
 quite a bit about how to communicate that change to Tor Browser users who
 are used to circuit display being behind the onion menu.
 There's https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/23489#comment:1
 for that.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by irl):

 We now have an icon for the "Guard" and "Exit" concepts. If any
 iconography is to be used in the circuit display, then this should be
 consistent with other usage in Tor. antonela will be aware of these icons,
 as they did the design work. For others, see
 https://people.torproject.org/~irl/icons/

 I'm not saying that there should be icons, but if there are icons, they
 should be these icons.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
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Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 One thing I forgot: If we follow the doorhanger idea we should think quite
 a bit about how to communicate that change to Tor Browser users who are
 used to circuit display being behind the onion menu.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 I think the shortcut `Ctrl+Shift+L` for a new circuit should be mentioned
 somewhere.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 Thanks! I like the idea of getting the circuit display out of the
 Torbutton menu and adding it to the doorhanger which is supposed to
 show/make accessible all the relevant website information (like TLS state,
 permissions etc.).

 I think something like version 8 is my favorite right now. My feeling is
 we should avoid versions with extra clicks to load new circuits (version 5
 and 6) as this gets annoying over time. And having this extra click just
 for the first time or until the user opts out seems overkill to me as
 well. Additionally, the button should not be "Load a New Circuit" as we
 are not loading circuits but web sites. :) And we should not lose the "for
 this site" aspect. It's not some arbitrary circuit that gets somehow
 deployed: what happens is that the website the user has open in the
 focused tab gets loaded over a new circuit. I am also inclined to add just
 a "Learn more" link next to the button and skip the guard node related
 message. It might confuse users knowing nothing about Tor. And once they
 start wondering why the first node rarely changes we have the "i" icon
 next to it AND there would still be the "Learn More" link available.

 FWIW: "All sessions will be lost" on version five is not true or at least
 highly misleading. First of all reloading the website to use a new circuit
 is only affecting sessions related to the website in question and not
 necessarily "all" (sure if there is just that one open then that statement
 is correct). Secondly, depending on how the website is detecting users
 it's not inconceivable that changing the circuit does not even affect any
 session because login cookies and other state in the browser is
 deliberately not touched by this option.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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Comment (by antonela):

 Hi team,

 A quick detail about the latest UX team delivery on this task.

 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/24309-3.png
 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/24309-4.png


 Versions 1 and 2 are hanging from the Tor Button, as we currently have.

 Version 3 is hanging from new icon specific for Circuits.

 Version 4, 5, 6, and 8 are trying to introduce a new concept.

 Based on our .onions discussions on #21952 and #23247 (and I'm sure
 somewhere else too) we thought that could be coherent if we show the
 circuit information at the domain doorhanger.

 Since the circuit is running per domain/tab, it will allow us to control
 the Tor features that just affects the domain on the panel.

 With this scenario, we have a couple of benefits:

 - Cross-browser consistency: If we can take a place at the main
 doorhanger, users can expect to have it, no matter which browser they are
 using.

 - Using the main doorhanger made explicit that the setting will run just
 on the affected tab and is not a general configuration.

 - Using a second level panel (version 5) will allow us to show more
 detailed information about the implications of a new circuit and also to
 have a double-confirm pattern.

 For us, the optimal user flow is at the version 5. As we mentioned, it has
 lot of benefits.

 It may have technical implications which we need to discuss. For sure, we
 are open to talking about it :)

 Let us know what do you think!

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
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 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by igt0):

 Looks amazing, what do you think about changing the color of the country
 instead of adding a label? so the word *France* would be purple-ish. Does
 it make sense? (this way we have enough space to show the guard IP as
 well).

 Feel free to ignore my comments, tho. :)

 Replying to [comment:8 antonela]:
 > Replying to [comment:6 arthuredelstein]:
 > > I think it's important to keep the "New Tor Circuit for this Site"
 button associated with the "Tor Circuit for this Site" diagram.
 >
 > This is interesting! I'm trying something. Let me know your throughs :)
 >
 >
 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/24309-2.png

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 * Attachment "24309-4.png" added.


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Comment (by antonela):

 Replying to [comment:6 arthuredelstein]:
 > I think it's important to keep the "New Tor Circuit for this Site"
 button associated with the "Tor Circuit for this Site" diagram.

 This is interesting! I'm trying something. Let me know your throughs :)

 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/24309-2.png

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Comment (by antonela):

 Replying to [comment:5 arthuredelstein]:
 >
 > I like all these suggestions -- I think they could be combined into one
 design. I think the (i) symbol in Version A is a nice touch and could even
 be combined the the "Guard" annotation in Version B. We might also
 consider hiding the Guard IP address so that users are less likely to leak
 their Guard information.
 >

 Thanks Arthur for your comments! I made a new version based on your
 review.
 Also, I added the browser windows to show the context for the doorhanger.
 Seems like HTTPS Everywhere is running a doorhanger on our current
 version.

 Take a look here:

 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/24309-1.png

 In this case, [guard][i] will link to an external link.

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 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
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 * Attachment "24309-1.png" added.


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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
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 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Replying to [comment:4 antonela]:

 > I'd like to suggest moving this windows to a
 [http://design.firefox.com/photon/components/doorhangers.html doorhanger].
 This component is used by Firefox Photon UI on their latest version and
 seems a good move looking forward to March 18 items.

 I wonder where the doorhanger should hang from. Should it be another
 toolbar button, or something inside the URL bar? I think it's important to
 keep the "New Tor Circuit for this Site" button associated with the "Tor
 Circuit for this Site" diagram.

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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Replying to [comment:4 antonela]:

 > Let me know what do you think

 I like all these suggestions -- I think they could be combined into one
 design. I think the (i) symbol in Version A is a nice touch and could even
 be combined the the "Guard" annotation in Version B. We might also
 consider hiding the Guard IP address so that users are less likely to leak
 their Guard information.

 Regarding Version D, I would suggest using a
 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooltip tooltip] so that when the user
 clicks or hovers over (i) symbol, an explanatory message appears.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by antonela):

 I created a few UI mockups that are trying to render all the ideas emerged
 around this ticket so we can discuss how the next iteration will look,
 before the implementation.

 I'd like to suggest moving this windows to a
 [http://design.firefox.com/photon/components/doorhangers.html doorhanger].
 This component is used by Firefox Photon UI on their latest version and
 seems a good move looking forward to March 18 items.

 [https://share.riseup.net/#boR6hSJqZb9SH7hkDUDRTg
 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/24309.png]

 '''Version A'''
 Nothing is clickable but the [i] icon.
 [i] icon will link to external link [guard node explainer]

 '''Version B'''
 All relay's IPs clickables to external link [atlas relay information]
 Guard Badge Added. Will link to external link [guard node explainer]

 '''Version C'''
 All relay's IPs clickables to external link [atlas relay information]
 Info Icon Added. Will link to external link [guard node explainer]

 '''Version D - Experimental'''
 I wanted to render a version where the user can find more information in a
 collapsible menu inside the relay. This option could be useful if we see
 extremely necessary adding more information before the user clicks to
 Learn More.

 Let me know what do you think

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
--+--
Description changed by isabela:

Old description:

> == Problem we are trying to solve: ==
> Many users expect the guard node to change when asking for a new circuit.
>
> There is nothing on circuit display that tells the user the first node is
> a guard, what guards are, and how it works when Tor creates new circuits
> for the user.
>
> == Expected behavior ==
> If no other condition, guards will only change for a client every 3
> months. Even if the user pick 'new identity' the guard should stay the
> same.
>

> == Proposed solution: ==
>
> First of all we need to update the Tor Browser User Manual to have an
> explanation about how the guard selection works, it should be in this
> section:
> https://tb-manual.torproject.org/en-US/managing-identities.html
>
> All the solutions below will link to the manual, this will allow us to
> send the user to a place with more information. And not necessary have to
> explain everything in the display or UI.
>
> Managing users expectations:
> I believe that for now we are better served if we managed user
> expectation about what will change when they request such change, not in
> the circuit display.
> The current places where the user will be asking for a new circuit are:
>
> 1 - Tor Button -> New Identity
> At this action, Tor Browser will open a confirmation window (see
> screenshot:
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/24309/new_identity_confirmation_window.png)
> We should change the text here to set the right expectation about guards.
>
> 2 - Tor Button -> New Tor Circuit for this Site
> Could we have a tool tip here that helps user know that guards won't
> change.
>
> Circuit display UI:
> keep IP and country name. Add 'guard' to the first node - guard should be
> a link to manual page.
> Add a link at the bottom for "Learn More" which should also link to the
> manual page.
>
> I am suggesting 2 links to the manual as an intentional effort of over
> communicating to the user.
>
> == Things I would like to test ==
>
> * User understanding of Tor Browser User Manual explanation about how
> guards selection works.
> * Did we managed to set the right expectation for user? Test it with New
> Identity flow and New Tor Circuit flow.
> * Do we need both links on circuit display?
>
> == Things I am suggesting to be left for a second iteration or not doing
> and why ==
>
> * Suggesting to not add functionality to let user pick a different guard.
> I think such a feature should be deeply discussed and done as a project
> of it own. Not as part of this solution.
> * Suggestion to leave for a second iteration making the IP addresses
> linkable to more information about the relay (from atlas).
> * Suggestion to not use JS for the more information on the relay feature
> mentioned above. We should never jeopardize the user safety for 'better
> UX'. We should be able to deliver better UX within the limitations we
> have by building a product that has security by design in mind.
>

> == Tickets related to the problem: ==
>
> * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/16665
> ** Circuit visualizer needs a cue about guards
>
> This is the main ticket that contains lots of information describing the
> user problem in the comments posted. Would recommend reading it fully for
> better understanding.
>
> * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15239
> ** Add hyperlinks in tor circuit display to show "more info" about relays
>
> This ticket has some suggestions for displaying more information about
> the relays (using atlas). We are taking into consideration these
> suggestions in the hypothesis above.
>
> * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/20805
> **  Circuit display does not honor or use the UI font.
>
> This ticket is more a bug then a UX issue. Although we should make sure
> that we set a rule of what font to use in the display, and fall back
> options. Let's make sure we are aligning this with: Activity 1.2: Make
> sure Firefox Photon UI works with our style guidelines -- on UX Team
> roadmap (for March 2018)

New description:

 == Problem we are trying to solve: ==
 Many users expect the guard node to change when asking for a new circuit.

 There is nothing on circuit display that tells the user the first node is
 a guard, what guards are, and how 

Re: [tor-bugs] #24309 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user

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#24309: Activity 4.1: Improve how circuits are displayed to the user
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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
--+--
Description changed by isabela:

Old description:

> == Problem we are trying to solve: ==
> Many users expect the guard node to change when asking for a new circuit.
>
> There is nothing on circuit display that tells the user the first node is
> a guard, what guards are, and how it works when Tor creates new circuits
> for the user.
>
> == Expected behavior ==
> If no other condition, guards will only change for a client every 3
> months. Even if the user pick 'new identity' the guard should stay the
> same.
>

> == Proposed solution: ==
>
> First of all we need to update the Tor Browser User Manual to have an
> explanation about how the guard selection works, it should be in this
> section:
> https://tb-manual.torproject.org/en-US/managing-identities.html
>
> All the solutions below will link to the manual, this will allow us to
> send the user to a place with more information. And not necessary have to
> explain everything in the display or UI.
>
> Managing users expectations:
> I believe that for now we are better served if we managed user
> expectation about what will change when they request such change, not in
> the circuit display.
> The current places where the user will be asking for a new circuit are:
>
> 1 - Tor Button -> New Identity
> At this action, Tor Browser will open a confirmation window (see
> screenshot: )
> We should change the text here to set the right expectation about guards.
>
> 2 - Tor Button -> New Tor Circuit for this Site
> Could we have a tool tip here that helps user know that guards won't
> change.
>
> Circuit display UI:
> keep IP and country name. Add 'guard' to the first node - guard should be
> a link to manual page.
> Add a link at the bottom for "Learn More" which should also link to the
> manual page.
>
> I am suggesting 2 links to the manual as an intentional effort of over
> communicating to the user.
>
> == Things I would like to test ==
>
> * User understanding of Tor Browser User Manual explanation about how
> guards selection works.
> * Did we managed to set the right expectation for user? Test it with New
> Identity flow and New Tor Circuit flow.
> * Do we need both links on circuit display?
>
> == Things I am suggesting to be left for a second iteration or not doing
> and why ==
>
> * Suggesting to not add functionality to let user pick a different guard.
> I think such a feature should be deeply discussed and done as a project
> of it own. Not as part of this solution.
> * Suggestion to leave for a second iteration making the IP addresses
> linkable to more information about the relay (from atlas).
> * Suggestion to not use JS for the more information on the relay feature
> mentioned above. We should never jeopardize the user safety for 'better
> UX'. We should be able to deliver better UX within the limitations we
> have by building a product that has security by design in mind.
>

> == Tickets related to the problem: ==
>
> * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/16665
> ** Circuit visualizer needs a cue about guards
>
> This is the main ticket that contains lots of information describing the
> user problem in the comments posted. Would recommend reading it fully for
> better understanding.
>
> * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15239
> ** Add hyperlinks in tor circuit display to show "more info" about relays
>
> This ticket has some suggestions for displaying more information about
> the relays (using atlas). We are taking into consideration these
> suggestions in the hypothesis above.
>
> * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/20805
> **  Circuit display does not honor or use the UI font.
>
> This ticket is more a bug then a UX issue. Although we should make sure
> that we set a rule of what font to use in the display, and fall back
> options. Let's make sure we are aligning this with: Activity 1.2: Make
> sure Firefox Photon UI works with our style guidelines -- on UX Team
> roadmap (for March 2018)

New description:

 == Problem we are trying to solve: ==
 Many users expect the guard node to change when asking for a new circuit.

 There is nothing on circuit display that tells the user the first node is
 a guard, what guards are, and how it works when Tor creates new circuits
 for the user.

 == Expected behavior ==
 If no other condition, 

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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  ux-team   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
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Changes (by isabela):

 * Attachment "new_identity_confirmation_window.png" added.

 New identity confirmation window

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 Reporter:  isabela   |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
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Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
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Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:  antonela  |Sponsor:
--+--
Description changed by isabela:

Old description:

> The UX team will look into the problems described in these tickets:
>
>  * https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15239
>
>  * https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15897
>
>  * https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/16665
>
> And work on the best way to solve them in Tor Browser circuit display.

New description:

 == Problem we are trying to solve: ==
 Many users expect the guard node to change when asking for a new circuit.

 There is nothing on circuit display that tells the user the first node is
 a guard, what guards are, and how it works when Tor creates new circuits
 for the user.

 == Expected behavior ==
 If no other condition, guards will only change for a client every 3
 months. Even if the user pick 'new identity' the guard should stay the
 same.


 == Proposed solution: ==

 First of all we need to update the Tor Browser User Manual to have an
 explanation about how the guard selection works, it should be in this
 section:
 https://tb-manual.torproject.org/en-US/managing-identities.html

 All the solutions below will link to the manual, this will allow us to
 send the user to a place with more information. And not necessary have to
 explain everything in the display or UI.

 Managing users expectations:
 I believe that for now we are better served if we managed user expectation
 about what will change when they request such change, not in the circuit
 display.
 The current places where the user will be asking for a new circuit are:

 1 - Tor Button -> New Identity
 At this action, Tor Browser will open a confirmation window (see
 screenshot: )
 We should change the text here to set the right expectation about guards.

 2 - Tor Button -> New Tor Circuit for this Site
 Could we have a tool tip here that helps user know that guards won't
 change.

 Circuit display UI:
 keep IP and country name. Add 'guard' to the first node - guard should be
 a link to manual page.
 Add a link at the bottom for "Learn More" which should also link to the
 manual page.

 I am suggesting 2 links to the manual as an intentional effort of over
 communicating to the user.

 == Things I would like to test ==

 * User understanding of Tor Browser User Manual explanation about how
 guards selection works.
 * Did we managed to set the right expectation for user? Test it with New
 Identity flow and New Tor Circuit flow.
 * Do we need both links on circuit display?

 == Things I am suggesting to be left for a second iteration or not doing
 and why ==

 * Suggesting to not add functionality to let user pick a different guard.
 I think such a feature should be deeply discussed and done as a project of
 it own. Not as part of this solution.
 * Suggestion to leave for a second iteration making the IP addresses
 linkable to more information about the relay (from atlas).
 * Suggestion to not use JS for the more information on the relay feature
 mentioned above. We should never jeopardize the user safety for 'better
 UX'. We should be able to deliver better UX within the limitations we have
 by building a product that has security by design in mind.


 == Tickets related to the problem: ==

 * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/16665
 ** Circuit visualizer needs a cue about guards

 This is the main ticket that contains lots of information describing the
 user problem in the comments posted. Would recommend reading it fully for
 better understanding.

 * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15239
 ** Add hyperlinks in tor circuit display to show "more info" about relays

 This ticket has some suggestions for displaying more information about the
 relays (using atlas). We are taking into consideration these suggestions
 in the hypothesis above.

 * Ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/20805
 **  Circuit display does not honor or use the UI font.

 This ticket is more a bug then a UX issue. Although we should make sure
 that we set a rule of what font to use in the display, and fall back
 options. Let's make sure we are aligning this with: Activity 1.2: Make
 sure Firefox Photon UI works with our style guidelines -- on UX Team
 roadmap (for March 2018)

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