[tor-dev] Two TOR questions

2015-03-12 Thread John Lee
For devs,



1) Where can I get a previous version of Tor Bundle for Windows? Im looking for the version when it jumped from Firefox 24 ESR (or something below Firefox 28.0) to the new Firefox GUI that occurred when going above version 28.0



2) How involved would it be to use a current version of TOR (like 4.0.4, etc) but match it with a Firefox 28.0 version or lower? (if I wanted to do it for my own use only)



3) Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for Windows? Now Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI looks like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and this is a bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate.



Thanks!


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Re: [tor-dev] Two TOR questions

2015-03-10 Thread Tom Ritter
On 10 March 2015 at 11:22, John Lee iratemon...@gmx.com wrote:
 For devs,

 1) Where can I get a previous version of Tor Bundle for Windows? I'm looking
 for the version when it jumped from Firefox 24 ESR (or something below
 Firefox 28.0) to the new Firefox GUI that occurred when going above version
 28.0

https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/ I can't
tell you which version, but you can find it here.


 2) How involved would it be to use a current version of TOR (like 4.0.4,
 etc) but match it with a Firefox 28.0 version or lower? (if I wanted to do
 it for my own use only)

4.0.4 is the version of the entire Tor Browser Bundle archive.  You
could fairly easily use an old Firefox version, and point it at a
local little-t tor instance but you would not be running Tor Browser,
and would lose the fingerprinting, unlinkability, and proxy bypass
defenses.  You could also use an old version of Tor Browser Bundle
that used an old version of Firefox, and point it at a recent version
of little-t tor, but you'd lose the protections where you need it the
most.

In general, running old versions of FF/TBB is not recommended.  Maybe
you could elaborate on why you want to, so we can understand why the
current version doesn't work for you?

 3) Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for Windows? Now
 Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI looks
 like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and this is a
 bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate.

Sounds like bug I'm not familiar with...

-tom
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Re: [tor-dev] Two TOR questions

2015-03-10 Thread iratemonkey
I only have time to reply back to your reply on part 3 tonight, but it is not a 
'bug', this seems to be done on purpose.



gt; 3) Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for Windows? 
Now 
gt; Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI looks 
gt; like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and this is 
a 
gt; bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate. 



So, I really meant, in the system tray (assuming this is Windows), that little 
Onion router icon (the one that turns yellow, green) is gone 

Since the early versions of TOR ( I still use this one I customized back in 
2010 - five years ago : http://sourceforge.net/projects/securitytor/ )

Since the early versions of TOR, each new version has been from the 
interface/UI standpoint more and more dumped down... almost like way of the 
Windows 8 metro interface, flat design tiles, the whole world moving to cloud 
first, mobile first, and all that good stuff...

Firefox has started copying Google's Chrome with the massive iteration/upgrade 
numerical versioning inflation counts, and installing a maintenence as a 
service forcing and deepthroating everyone to immediately upgrade upgrade 
upgrade...

Problem is this, now Firefox has gone like full on google, Ads in the browser 
itself all about monetization, etc 

This is why for non-Tor use, I'm sticking with Firefox 28.0 and will never move 
to the newer ad infested versions and the change of interface GUI that looks 
almost identical to Chrome.

it is many steps backwards in my opinion 

And the dumbing down of TOR, at least from the UI/interface perspective is not 
good. 

Sure I'll still use slax/tails, but Tor bundle for Windows by default is 
getting worse and worse. 

 prime example, why the heck is noscript turned off by default on TOR, and 
flash/silverlight/javascript not even blocked? 


 On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 03:56:04 + Tom Ritter lt;t...@ritter.vggt; wrote 
 

On 10 March 2015 at 11:22, John Lee lt;iratemon...@gmx.comgt; wrote: 
gt; For devs, 
gt; 
gt; 1) Where can I get a previous version of Tor Bundle for Windows? I'm 
looking 
gt; for the version when it jumped from Firefox 24 ESR (or something below 
gt; Firefox 28.0) to the new Firefox GUI that occurred when going above 
version 
gt; 28.0 
 
https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/ I can't 
tell you which version, but you can find it here. 
 
 
gt; 2) How involved would it be to use a current version of TOR (like 4.0.4, 
gt; etc) but match it with a Firefox 28.0 version or lower? (if I wanted to do 
gt; it for my own use only) 
 
4.0.4 is the version of the entire Tor Browser Bundle archive. You 
could fairly easily use an old Firefox version, and point it at a 
local little-t tor instance but you would not be running Tor Browser, 
and would lose the fingerprinting, unlinkability, and proxy bypass 
defenses. You could also use an old version of Tor Browser Bundle 
that used an old version of Firefox, and point it at a recent version 
of little-t tor, but you'd lose the protections where you need it the 
most. 
 
In general, running old versions of FF/TBB is not recommended. Maybe 
you could elaborate on why you want to, so we can understand why the 
current version doesn't work for you? 
 
gt; 3) Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for Windows? 
Now 
gt; Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI looks 
gt; like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and this is 
a 
gt; bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate. 
 
Sounds like bug I'm not familiar with... 
 
-tom 
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