Re: [tor-relays] halp #2

[Markus Koch]

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2016-08-24 6:28 GMT+02:00 Ivan Markin :
> Markus Koch:
>> I just complied TOR (hurray!) on a NON-ROOT server.
> TOR -> Tor (tor here, I guess).
>
>> 1. Issue: I cant find the torrc file. I found out that the rest of the
>> stuff is in ~./tor but no torrc at all. Where is it/should I put it?
> There is no torrc installed. You can create it wherever you want and
> pass the path to it via '-f' option to tor:
>
> $ ./src/or/tor -f /home/bunny/lol-torrc
>
> On most of the systems it can be found at /etc/tor/torrc.
>
>> 2. Issue: I only need the complied TOR executable and I can safely
>> delete all the other stuff?
>
> Yes, 'tor' binary should be enough. You can keep default torrc if you want.
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Re: [tor-relays] halp #2

[Ivan Markin]

Markus Koch:
> I just complied TOR (hurray!) on a NON-ROOT server.
TOR -> Tor (tor here, I guess).

> 1. Issue: I cant find the torrc file. I found out that the rest of the
> stuff is in ~./tor but no torrc at all. Where is it/should I put it?
There is no torrc installed. You can create it wherever you want and
pass the path to it via '-f' option to tor:

$ ./src/or/tor -f /home/bunny/lol-torrc

On most of the systems it can be found at /etc/tor/torrc.

> 2. Issue: I only need the complied TOR executable and I can safely
> delete all the other stuff?

Yes, 'tor' binary should be enough. You can keep default torrc if you want.

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[tor-relays] halp #2

[Markus Koch]

Sorry to bother you guys again

Its 6am here and after reading the FAQ and other install guides I am
out of ideas

I just complied TOR (hurray!) on a NON-ROOT server.

1. Issue: I cant find the torrc file. I found out that the rest of the
stuff is in ~./tor but no torrc at all. Where is it/should I put it?

2. Issue: I only need the complied TOR executable and I can safely
delete all the other stuff?

Cheers,

Markus
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Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

[Zack Weinberg]

Personally, the expulsion of Appelbaum and the replacement of the board
make me *more* confident in the Tor organization.  The relays I run,
B6C7FAFFFCEFC30541D38F33E25B1E0DB135C5D8 (non-exit) and
78C7C299DB4C4BD119A22B87B57D5AF5F3741A79 (exit), will NOT be
participating in this "strike".

I am making this announcement because we have to physically move the
computer running the exit sometime in the next week or so, and it may be
down for a couple of days, depending on how long it takes the network
admins to reconfigure things.  This is merely an unfortunate coincidence
of timing.  The non-exit will remain up.

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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Ivan Markin]

Roger Dingledine:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:53:04PM +0200, Markus Koch wrote:
>>> Do the log files give you any hints?
>> 
>> I copied all the stuff, checked it and deleted the old vps. So I
>> only see the new logfiles and they are fine, tor finds everything
>> but with a different fingerprint. If the config would be in a
>> different dir on the old vps, how comes that there are config files
>> in both dirs?
> 
> Well, a different fingerprint means a different identity key. Maybe 
> you didn't copy the identity key over correctly?

Just an idea: how about having a built-in feature in tor to
backup/restore? This feature could make an "archive" with correct
metadata. Thus relay operator won't bother to collect all
relevant files and correct permissions. Also it would make it much
easier to move a relay to absolutely different system (E.g. tor user was
`debian-tor` and it's `_tor` on the new one. Also different locations,
like Windows/Darwin/BSDs/Linux).

Asking for comments before creating a ticket since this idea can be
inherently wrong.

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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Markus Koch]

Yep, got this too

http://i.imgur.com/R7wsC1I.png

2016-08-24 0:50 GMT+02:00 Lucas Werkmeister :
> This seems to be only the content of the keys/ subdirectory… my relay
> also has some other files in /var/lib/tor/, most significantly (it would
> seem) a fingerprint file. Did you copy these other files as well, and
> they’re just not included in the screenshot?
>
>
> On 24.08.2016 00:48, Markus Koch wrote:
>> Okay, I should have said that this is my backup server ... so ...
>>
>> old tor exit -> backup server -> new VPS
>>
>> its running on the new VPS with the right permissions :)
>>
>>
>> 2016-08-24 0:44 GMT+02:00 Michael Armbruster :
>>> On 2016-08-24 at 00:41, Markus Koch wrote:
 Okay :(

 http://i.imgur.com/r1ZxAAH.png Is there anything important missing?
>>> Well, it looks like wrong permissions to me. The files and the directory
>>> is owned by your current user "bunny". Is this also the tor user, or is
>>> tor using the user "tor" (which should be the default)?
>>>
>>> Currently, no other user but "bunny" can read from or write to those
>>> files and it's the only user that can look into the current directory.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Lucas Werkmeister]

This seems to be only the content of the keys/ subdirectory… my relay
also has some other files in /var/lib/tor/, most significantly (it would
seem) a fingerprint file. Did you copy these other files as well, and
they’re just not included in the screenshot?


On 24.08.2016 00:48, Markus Koch wrote:
> Okay, I should have said that this is my backup server ... so ...
>
> old tor exit -> backup server -> new VPS
>
> its running on the new VPS with the right permissions :)
>
>
> 2016-08-24 0:44 GMT+02:00 Michael Armbruster :
>> On 2016-08-24 at 00:41, Markus Koch wrote:
>>> Okay :(
>>>
>>> http://i.imgur.com/r1ZxAAH.png Is there anything important missing?
>> Well, it looks like wrong permissions to me. The files and the directory
>> is owned by your current user "bunny". Is this also the tor user, or is
>> tor using the user "tor" (which should be the default)?
>>
>> Currently, no other user but "bunny" can read from or write to those
>> files and it's the only user that can look into the current directory.
>>
>> Best,
>> Michael
>>
>>
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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Markus Koch]

Okay, I should have said that this is my backup server ... so ...

old tor exit -> backup server -> new VPS

its running on the new VPS with the right permissions :)


2016-08-24 0:44 GMT+02:00 Michael Armbruster :
> On 2016-08-24 at 00:41, Markus Koch wrote:
>> Okay :(
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/r1ZxAAH.png Is there anything important missing?
>
> Well, it looks like wrong permissions to me. The files and the directory
> is owned by your current user "bunny". Is this also the tor user, or is
> tor using the user "tor" (which should be the default)?
>
> Currently, no other user but "bunny" can read from or write to those
> files and it's the only user that can look into the current directory.
>
> Best,
> Michael
>
>
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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Michael Armbruster]

On 2016-08-24 at 00:41, Markus Koch wrote:
> Okay :(
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/r1ZxAAH.png Is there anything important missing?

Well, it looks like wrong permissions to me. The files and the directory
is owned by your current user "bunny". Is this also the tor user, or is
tor using the user "tor" (which should be the default)?

Currently, no other user but "bunny" can read from or write to those
files and it's the only user that can look into the current directory.

Best,
Michael




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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Markus Koch]

Okay :(

http://i.imgur.com/r1ZxAAH.png Is there anything important missing?



2016-08-24 0:22 GMT+02:00 Roger Dingledine :
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:53:04PM +0200, Markus Koch wrote:
>> > Do the log files give you any hints?
>>
>> I copied all the stuff, checked it and deleted the old vps. So I only see 
>> the new logfiles and they are fine, tor finds everything but with a 
>> different fingerprint. If the config would be in a different dir on the old 
>> vps, how comes that there are config files in both dirs?
>
> Well, a different fingerprint means a different identity key. Maybe
> you didn't copy the identity key over correctly?
>
> I notice your old one was Tor version 0.2.7.6 and your new one is Tor
> 0.2.8.6. So maybe it is a newer Debian, or maybe the timing is just
> coincidence.
>
> I also notice that your new Tor relay didn't start out with any
> past estimated bandwidth. That makes me think your state file didn't
> get transferred either. (These are all the BWHistory* lines.)
>
> So I think your torrc did transfer correctly, but not your datadirectory.
>
> --Roger
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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Markus Koch]

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Aug 2016, at 22:41, Roger Dingledine  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:00:57PM +0200, Markus Koch wrote:
>> I just deleted my best running exit node to move to another vps.
>> 
>> I copied /etc/tor and /var/lib/tor + keys dir and moved it to the new
>> vps. I double-checked the files/keys are the same but i still get a
>> new fingerprint. Wtf is wrong with me?
> 
> Here's the FAQ entry:
> https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#UpgradeOrMove
> 
> It sounds like you did that though.
> 
> Sounds like it's time to debug and question your assumptions. :)
> 
> For example, were they both Debian systems, using the Tor deb? I am
> wondering in particular if the new Tor thinks it should be using that
> DataDirectory.

Yes and yes.

> 
> Do the log files give you any hints?

I copied all the stuff, checked it and deleted the old vps. So I only see the 
new logfiles and they are fine, tor finds everything but with a different 
fingerprint. If the config would be in a different dir on the old vps, how 
comes that there are config files in both dirs?

> 
> I'm guessing this is the 'niftyguineapig' relay?
> 
Yes :(

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Re: [tor-relays] HALP!

[Roger Dingledine]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:00:57PM +0200, Markus Koch wrote:
> I just deleted my best running exit node to move to another vps.
> 
> I copied /etc/tor and /var/lib/tor + keys dir and moved it to the new
> vps. I double-checked the files/keys are the same but i still get a
> new fingerprint. Wtf is wrong with me?

Here's the FAQ entry:
https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#UpgradeOrMove

It sounds like you did that though.

Sounds like it's time to debug and question your assumptions. :)

For example, were they both Debian systems, using the Tor deb? I am
wondering in particular if the new Tor thinks it should be using that
DataDirectory.

Do the log files give you any hints?

I'm guessing this is the 'niftyguineapig' relay?

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[tor-relays] HALP!

[Markus Koch]

I just deleted my best running exit node to move to another vps.

I copied /etc/tor and /var/lib/tor + keys dir and moved it to the new
vps. I double-checked the files/keys are the same but i still get a
new fingerprint. Wtf is wrong with me?

Markus


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Re: [tor-relays] GeoIP

[Ivan Markin]

Hi Fred,

Fred Rauch:
> Where does Atlas get its GeoIP data from? Can this be corrected? It's
> not a huge issue but it would be nice for the correct country to be
> displayed.

Atlas is a JavaScript application that gets all the data from Onionoo
[1] backend. And Onionoo in its turn gets [2] data from MaxMind's GeoIP
database [3].
Thus it's as reliable as MaxMind GeoIP is reliable. Agree, it's not
godd. Current status of this (or closely related) issue you can track at
#19437 [4].


[1] https://onionoo.torproject.org/
[2] https://gitweb.torproject.org/onionoo.git/tree/INSTALL#n44
[3] ​
https://geolite.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/GeoLite2-City-CSV.zip
[4] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/19437

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Re: [tor-relays] GeoIP

[Fred Rauch]

I understand this, but it would still be nice to at least try and 
provide accurate GeoIP results where possible.


On 2016-08-23 15:31, Tristan wrote:

Well, as canonizing ironize says on Tor's StackExchange, "GeoIP is
bullshit."
https://github.com/epidemics-scepticism/tor-misconception/blob/master/README.md

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Re: [tor-relays] GeoIP

[Tristan]

Well, as canonizing ironize says on Tor's StackExchange, "GeoIP is
bullshit."
https://github.com/epidemics-scepticism/tor-misconception/blob/master/README.md

On Aug 23, 2016 10:10 AM, "Fred Rauch"  wrote:

Hi,

I just started up another relay, and atlas' GeoIP data on it is incorrect
(says it is in Netherlands when it is in fact in Lithuania).

Where does Atlas get its GeoIP data from? Can this be corrected? It's not a
huge issue but it would be nice for the correct country to be displayed.

albino
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