Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Arisbe]

Hello All,

I use to review my bridges as well as my relays on Atlas.  Now I don't 
find my bridges on nyx.  Is this something I'm doing wrong?



___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[I]

Thanks for a considered reply.

I accept that all that is done under the surface is done for the good of Tor.

It is the pointless game I object to such as amusing a few by changing Atlas to 
New Atlas when Atlas represented a function which we rely on and we will use 
under another 'brand'.

(Helping a woman stopped in a dead Lexis I told her Toyota's were unlikely to 
have big faults. She pompously rejected that as it was much superior to a 
Toyota and shrivelled into silence on seeing Toyota in huge letters on the 
engine block.)
Just time wasting games.

Robert

> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 14/11/17 21:49, I wrote:
>>  Can anyone explain how changing things to The New such as Arm to Nyx
>> and Atlas to Relay Search advances anything apart from boredom?
> 
> In the case of Atlas/Relay Search, we are consolidating codebases into
> something more maintainable, with less code duplication and general
> duplication of effort.
> 
> By integrating Relay Search into the Tor Metrics website, we will also
> move towards a more seamless UX and making it easier to discover related
> data, the sources of the data and any analysis that might be useful.
> 
> On the surface it may look that all that's changed is the theme and the
> name, but a lot is going on underneath too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Iain.


___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 21:49, I wrote:
>  Can anyone explain how changing things to The New such as Arm to Nyx
> and Atlas to Relay Search advances anything apart from boredom?

In the case of Atlas/Relay Search, we are consolidating codebases into
something more maintainable, with less code duplication and general
duplication of effort.

By integrating Relay Search into the Tor Metrics website, we will also
move towards a more seamless UX and making it easier to discover related
data, the sources of the data and any analysis that might be useful.

On the surface it may look that all that's changed is the theme and the
name, but a lot is going on underneath too.

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 18:26, teor wrote:
> No, it isn't: one of the new resources appears to be blocked by AdBlock
> Plus for iOS. So it only works with content blockers turned off. You probably
> want to fix this eventually, because these blocklists are popular. And the
> issue likely affects multiple platforms. But it's not an all iOS devices bug.

I've tested with AdBlock Plus in Firefox and I cannot recreate this problem.

Can you tell me what resource it is that is blocked and what rule it is
matching?

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 20:33, tor wrote:
> A 200px purple banner with a Schneier quote at the top of every page?
> Seriously? What a hideous waste of space. Can anyone explain how this UI
> element is helpful to users? It's awful.

This is the Tor Metrics style used in preparation for merging into the
Tor Metrics website.

A ticket has already been filed to discuss this, but this is not an
immediate priority:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24277

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[I]

and the next email I got was " Welcome to the new Firefox.". Can anyone explain how changing things to The New such as Arm to Nyx and Atlas to Relay Search advances anything apart from boredom?"A 200px purple banner with a Schneier quote at the top of every page? Seriously? What a hideous waste of space. Can anyone explain how this UI element is helpful to users? It's awful."






___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[I]

 Can anyone explain how changing things to The New such as Arm to Nyx and Atlas to Relay Search advances anything apart from boredom?A 200px purple banner with a Schneier quote at the top of every page? Seriously? What a hideous waste of space. Can anyone explain how this UI element is helpful to users? It's awful.




___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] tor-relays Digest, Vol 82, Issue 23

[tor]

Using the Tor Browser must have been a joke, because your traffic will route 
through the exit nodes, and those exit IPs will presumably be on the same 
blacklists.

I'd recommend you don't run a relay at home. Switch it to a bridge. Bridge IP 
addresses are (usually) not published and thus are not subject to blacklisting.___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[tor]

A 200px purple banner with a Schneier quote at the top of every page? 
Seriously? What a hideous waste of space. Can anyone explain how this UI 
element is helpful to users? It's awful.___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] tor-relays Digest, Vol 82, Issue 23

[Patrice]

How do I use a different IP address?
I only got one.
Should I pipe the traffic through a proxy (somewhere else)?

Yeah, I though about to use the Tor browser but for my girlfriend I 
think not.


Kind regards
Kalle


After reading all the answers, there seem to be only two solutions:
1. hoping that my IP get unbanned
2. shutdown the relay

Use a separate IP address for the relay
Run a bridge


(3. surf over a proxy or VPN)

Use Tor Browser? :-)

T

___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Sebastian Hahn]

> On 14. Nov 2017, at 19:26, teor  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 05:05, Sebastian Hahn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey,
>> 
>>> On 14. Nov 2017, at 19:00, teor  wrote:
>>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 02:41, Iain R. Learmonth  wrote:
>>> 
> On 14/11/17 15:35, Ralph Seichter wrote:
> On 14.11.17 13:52, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
> I also notice that the "new look" does not work in Safari 11 on macOS
> 10.13.1 (High Sierra). For shame! Has nobody tested this?
> 
> Problem detail: When accessing https://atlas.torproject.org/ , the query
> box and explanatory text are missing in Safari. See screenshot at
> https://imgur.com/a/XnA9f . Searching works fine in Chrome and Firefox
> on macOS.
 
 This would seem suboptimal.
>>> 
>>> Atlas never loads in Safari on  iOS 11.1.1 on my iPad Mini.
>>> I just see a spinning grey and black wheel for 30+ seconds.
>>> 
>>> Given Apple's iOS app WebKit rules, this likely means that *all* iOS
>>> browsers and embedded web views are broken.
>>> 
>>> I have confirmed the same issue in the Twitter apps web view, and it
>>> seems to also affect OnionBrowser, with slightly different symptoms.
>>> 
>>> If you've broken the second-largest mobile platform, want to revert
>>> until it's fixed?
>>> 
 I will look into it, unfortunately I have not tested on all the
 platforms as I just don't have them available.
>>> 
>>> Maybe we need a beta site and a call for testing for changes like this?
>> 
>> I believe this is the caching issue again. A beta site likely would not
>> have revealed this issue. You really need to break caches for updates to
>> web apps, hopefully those can be implemented without too much pain.
> 
> No, it isn't: one of the new resources appears to be blocked by AdBlock
> Plus for iOS. So it only works with content blockers turned off. You probably
> want to fix this eventually, because these blocklists are popular. And the
> issue likely affects multiple platforms. But it's not an all iOS devices bug.
> 
> Interestingly, it works in the Facebook app web view. Somehow it doesn't
> surprise me that Facebook is allowed to break the iOS app rules.

Oh wow, interesting. We only load resources from *tpo so I wonder what would
get blocked. In the meantime, I've written a cache busting patch that'll
hopefully improve the situation for desktop browsers. Careful review
necessary, I don't do much web stuff these days...




0001-Add-cache-breaker-for-our-metrics-resources.patch
Description: Binary data
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[teor]

> On 15 Nov 2017, at 05:05, Sebastian Hahn  wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
>> On 14. Nov 2017, at 19:00, teor  wrote:
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 02:41, Iain R. Learmonth  wrote:
>> 
 On 14/11/17 15:35, Ralph Seichter wrote:
 On 14.11.17 13:52, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
 I also notice that the "new look" does not work in Safari 11 on macOS
 10.13.1 (High Sierra). For shame! Has nobody tested this?
 
 Problem detail: When accessing https://atlas.torproject.org/ , the query
 box and explanatory text are missing in Safari. See screenshot at
 https://imgur.com/a/XnA9f . Searching works fine in Chrome and Firefox
 on macOS.
>>> 
>>> This would seem suboptimal.
>> 
>> Atlas never loads in Safari on  iOS 11.1.1 on my iPad Mini.
>> I just see a spinning grey and black wheel for 30+ seconds.
>> 
>> Given Apple's iOS app WebKit rules, this likely means that *all* iOS
>> browsers and embedded web views are broken.
>> 
>> I have confirmed the same issue in the Twitter apps web view, and it
>> seems to also affect OnionBrowser, with slightly different symptoms.
>> 
>> If you've broken the second-largest mobile platform, want to revert
>> until it's fixed?
>> 
>>> I will look into it, unfortunately I have not tested on all the
>>> platforms as I just don't have them available.
>> 
>> Maybe we need a beta site and a call for testing for changes like this?
> 
> I believe this is the caching issue again. A beta site likely would not
> have revealed this issue. You really need to break caches for updates to
> web apps, hopefully those can be implemented without too much pain.

No, it isn't: one of the new resources appears to be blocked by AdBlock
Plus for iOS. So it only works with content blockers turned off. You probably
want to fix this eventually, because these blocklists are popular. And the
issue likely affects multiple platforms. But it's not an all iOS devices bug.

Interestingly, it works in the Facebook app web view. Somehow it doesn't
surprise me that Facebook is allowed to break the iOS app rules.

T
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Sebastian Hahn]

Hey,

> On 14. Nov 2017, at 19:00, teor  wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2017, at 02:41, Iain R. Learmonth  wrote:
> 
>>> On 14/11/17 15:35, Ralph Seichter wrote:
>>> On 14.11.17 13:52, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
>>> I also notice that the "new look" does not work in Safari 11 on macOS
>>> 10.13.1 (High Sierra). For shame! Has nobody tested this?
>>> 
>>> Problem detail: When accessing https://atlas.torproject.org/ , the query
>>> box and explanatory text are missing in Safari. See screenshot at
>>> https://imgur.com/a/XnA9f . Searching works fine in Chrome and Firefox
>>> on macOS.
>> 
>> This would seem suboptimal.
> 
> Atlas never loads in Safari on  iOS 11.1.1 on my iPad Mini.
> I just see a spinning grey and black wheel for 30+ seconds.
> 
> Given Apple's iOS app WebKit rules, this likely means that *all* iOS
> browsers and embedded web views are broken.
> 
> I have confirmed the same issue in the Twitter apps web view, and it
> seems to also affect OnionBrowser, with slightly different symptoms.
> 
> If you've broken the second-largest mobile platform, want to revert
> until it's fixed?
> 
>> I will look into it, unfortunately I have not tested on all the
>> platforms as I just don't have them available.
> 
> Maybe we need a beta site and a call for testing for changes like this?

I believe this is the caching issue again. A beta site likely would not
have revealed this issue. You really need to break caches for updates to
web apps, hopefully those can be implemented without too much pain.

Cheers
Sebastian

___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[teor]

Hi,

On 15 Nov 2017, at 02:41, Iain R. Learmonth  wrote:

>> On 14/11/17 15:35, Ralph Seichter wrote:
>> On 14.11.17 13:52, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
>> I also notice that the "new look" does not work in Safari 11 on macOS
>> 10.13.1 (High Sierra). For shame! Has nobody tested this?
>> 
>> Problem detail: When accessing https://atlas.torproject.org/ , the query
>> box and explanatory text are missing in Safari. See screenshot at
>> https://imgur.com/a/XnA9f . Searching works fine in Chrome and Firefox
>> on macOS.
> 
> This would seem suboptimal.

Atlas never loads in Safari on  iOS 11.1.1 on my iPad Mini.
I just see a spinning grey and black wheel for 30+ seconds.

Given Apple's iOS app WebKit rules, this likely means that *all* iOS
browsers and embedded web views are broken.

I have confirmed the same issue in the Twitter apps web view, and it
seems to also affect OnionBrowser, with slightly different symptoms.

If you've broken the second-largest mobile platform, want to revert
until it's fixed?

> I will look into it, unfortunately I have not tested on all the
> platforms as I just don't have them available.

Maybe we need a beta site and a call for testing for changes like this?

T
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[teor]

> On 15 Nov 2017, at 03:12, Iain R. Learmonth  wrote:
> 
> I think there may be some issues, with such a large change some breakage
> may occur if you have different versions of the JavaScript files and the
> templates in your cache.
> 
> The Last-Modified dates seem to work, and If-Modified-Since seems to
> work too. Maybe Safari is just doing something weird and not
> invalidating the cache.

The canonical way to solve this issue is to use a cache-breaker parameter
in the resource URL.

So your current resource references probably look like:
https://atlas.torproject.org/resource.js

But a cache-breaker would look like:
https://atlas.torproject.org/resource.js?v1.1

Then when you change any code in the file, you update the version:
https://atlas.torproject.org/resource.js?v1.2

This usually doesn't require any web server support, because the
parameter is ignored by the server, which serves the most recent
version regardless. It's just there to tell the cache that the code has
been updated.

Of course, this is annoying to update if your site embeds a reference
to the resource on every page, rather than listing URLs in a config.

T
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] my IP got blocked

[teor]

> On 15 Nov 2017, at 03:02, Patrice  wrote:
> 
> After reading all the answers, there seem to be only two solutions:
> 1. hoping that my IP get unbanned
> 2. shutdown the relay

Use a separate IP address for the relay
Run a bridge

> (3. surf over a proxy or VPN)

Use Tor Browser? :-)

T
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 17:03, Ralph Seichter wrote:
> I see no more graphs outside their boxes in Chrome, Firefox and Safari.

Yay! (:

> One thing that -- for me -- only works in Chrome and Firefox, but not
> Safari, is the timestamp info shown when moving the mouse pointer over
> the little circle icons in the graphs. Safari does not present any popup
> data, the other browsers do.

Ok. I imagine these probably didn't work before either. They're not the
best graphs and I might look into better ways of generating them at some
point in the future.

For now I'm going to call it "better than it was before" and be happy. I
do remember that the SVG didn't scale on the old Atlas so we were very
quick to drop to single column.

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Ralph Seichter]

On 14.11.17 17:54, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:

> Graphs should now be scaling properly, although I'm not sure what I've
> done will work in all browsers, if it's still broken please let me know.

I see no more graphs outside their boxes in Chrome, Firefox and Safari.

One thing that -- for me -- only works in Chrome and Firefox, but not
Safari, is the timestamp info shown when moving the mouse pointer over
the little circle icons in the graphs. Safari does not present any popup
data, the other browsers do.

-Ralph
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

> On 14/11/17 16:16, Ralph Seichter wrote:
>> https://imgur.com/a/VMJhE -- I see these "graph outside the container
>> box" issues in Chrome, Firefox and Safari. I sure hope it does not just
>> happen to me?

Graphs should now be scaling properly, although I'm not sure what I've
done will work in all browsers, if it's still broken please let me know.

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 16:28, Guinness wrote:
> Is it just me or is the font way bigger than it used to be with Atlas?
> I personnaly find it too big, but it is just some cosmetics :)

The style has been merged from the Tor Metrics website. For the most
part this is fixed as all the style decisions have already been made. If
there's a particular area where changes are needed then they can be
addressed, for example I changed to a smaller font size for the results
table. I'd like to keep these changes to a minimum however to focus on
functional improvements, such as the recent addition of Exit Addresses
to the relay details pages.

Thanks,
Iain.





signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Igor Mitrofanov]

Atlas definitely looked lighter, more airy. The new UI looks dense and
dated, with that Microsoft Office style table from the 90s. Oh well,
I'll get used to it - at least it is not yet another "Web 2.0"
Bootstrap. The idea of merging Atlas into Metrics is definitely a good
one.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Guinness  wrote:
> Le Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:52:27PM +, Iain R. Learmonth écrivait :
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You may notice that Atlas has a new look, and is no longer called Atlas.
>> For now no URLs have changed but this is part of work to merge this tool
>> into the Tor Metrics website.
>>
>> The style is determined by the Tor Metrics Style, and modifications have
>> been made to fit this.
>>
>> The decision was made to deploy these changes before the actual
>> integration into metrics.torproject.org to allow for other issues to be
>> worked on. This was a big change and it was tricky maintaining two
>> branches of the codebase.
>>
>> Issues should still be reported on the Metrics/Atlas component in the
>> Tor trac if they arise. When we come to full integration, URLs will
>> change but there will be a period where we maintain redirects to prevent
>> any URLs from breaking while waiting for being updated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Iain.
>>
> Hi!
>
> Thanks for this new interface!
>
> Is it just me or is the font way bigger than it used to be with Atlas?
> I personnaly find it too big, but it is just some cosmetics :)
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Guinness
>
> ___
> tor-relays mailing list
> tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
>
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Guinness]

Le Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:52:27PM +, Iain R. Learmonth écrivait :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> You may notice that Atlas has a new look, and is no longer called Atlas.
> For now no URLs have changed but this is part of work to merge this tool
> into the Tor Metrics website.
> 
> The style is determined by the Tor Metrics Style, and modifications have
> been made to fit this.
> 
> The decision was made to deploy these changes before the actual
> integration into metrics.torproject.org to allow for other issues to be
> worked on. This was a big change and it was tricky maintaining two
> branches of the codebase.
>
> Issues should still be reported on the Metrics/Atlas component in the
> Tor trac if they arise. When we come to full integration, URLs will
> change but there will be a period where we maintain redirects to prevent
> any URLs from breaking while waiting for being updated.
>
> Thanks,
> Iain.
>
Hi!
 
Thanks for this new interface!
 
Is it just me or is the font way bigger than it used to be with Atlas?
I personnaly find it too big, but it is just some cosmetics :)
 
Cheers,
--
Guinness


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 16:16, Ralph Seichter wrote:
> https://imgur.com/a/VMJhE -- I see these "graph outside the container
> box" issues in Chrome, Firefox and Safari. I sure hope it does not just
> happen to me?

This looks to be an issue with the responsiveness of those boxes. I'm
getting that too.

They're meant to go to single column when it's not possible to display
side-by-side.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24276#ticket

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Ralph Seichter]

https://imgur.com/a/VMJhE -- I see these "graph outside the container
box" issues in Chrome, Firefox and Safari. I sure hope it does not just
happen to me?

-Ralph
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 16:04, Ralph Seichter wrote:
> I have since removed all cookies and data tied to the torproject.org
> domain from my Safari 11 cache, and now Relay Search seems to work as
> designed. I'm glad, of course, but it still seems weird. At least I have
> screenshots to prove that I did not merely imagine the problems. ;-)

Thanks for following up. (:

I think there may be some issues, with such a large change some breakage
may occur if you have different versions of the JavaScript files and the
templates in your cache.

The Last-Modified dates seem to work, and If-Modified-Since seems to
work too. Maybe Safari is just doing something weird and not
invalidating the cache.

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Ralph Seichter]

I have since removed all cookies and data tied to the torproject.org
domain from my Safari 11 cache, and now Relay Search seems to work as
designed. I'm glad, of course, but it still seems weird. At least I have
screenshots to prove that I did not merely imagine the problems. ;-)

-Ralph
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] my IP got blocked

[Patrice]

Sadly I run a only a relay therefore this is a troublesome action.
So if more admins do this, I could be in trouble.

After reading all the answers, there seem to be only two solutions:
1. hoping that my IP get unbanned
2. shutdown the relay
(3. surf over a proxy or VPN)

Kind regards
Kalle


Hi everyone,


I`ve got an issue with my local IP address. I am running a relay about 1
year and since 3 or 4 weeks I can`t reach some websites like: ebay or ikea.

All I get is this message:

*
*

*Access Denied*
You don`t have permission to access "Http://www.ebay.com/" on this server.

Reference # looong number__


I think I am on some blacklists. After I change my IP address all worked
fine for only 2 days.

Can I do something about this?

Thank you for your help!

Kind regards
Kalle


If you're running an exit, they probably saw abusive traffic, didn't
like it, and blocked your IP. You could consider not running an exit
relay from home.

If you're running a non-exit, then they're being dumb for blocking your
IP when it is impossible for abusive traffic to come from your relay.
Some webmasters who don't understand Tor do that, but there's not really
anything we can do. Best I can suggest is you try talking to them, which
isn't a very satisfying suggestion, I know.

Matt


___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Ralph Seichter]

On 14.11.17 16:42, Artur Pedziwilk wrote:

> Works OK on my Safari Version 11.0.1 (13604.3.5) and macOS 10.13.1 (17B48).

Same versions here, but Relay Search does not work for me. URLs that are
supposed to show node details don't work either, only the broken query
page is shown. I tested this both with existing Atlas bookmarks and URLs
copied over from Chrome.

-Ralph

___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Artur Pedziwilk]

> On 14 Nov 2017, at 16:35, Ralph Seichter  wrote:
>
> On 14.11.17 13:52, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
>
>> You may notice that Atlas has a new look, and is no longer called Atlas.
>
> I also notice that the "new look" does not work in Safari 11 on macOS
> 10.13.1 (High Sierra). For shame! Has nobody tested this?
>
> Problem detail: When accessing https://atlas.torproject.org/ , the query
> box and explanatory text are missing in Safari. See screenshot at
> https://imgur.com/a/XnA9f . Searching works fine in Chrome and Firefox
> on macOS.

Works OK on my Safari Version 11.0.1 (13604.3.5) and macOS 10.13.1 (17B48).___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

On 14/11/17 15:35, Ralph Seichter wrote:
> On 14.11.17 13:52, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
> I also notice that the "new look" does not work in Safari 11 on macOS
> 10.13.1 (High Sierra). For shame! Has nobody tested this?
> 
> Problem detail: When accessing https://atlas.torproject.org/ , the query
> box and explanatory text are missing in Safari. See screenshot at
> https://imgur.com/a/XnA9f . Searching works fine in Chrome and Firefox
> on macOS.

This would seem suboptimal.

I will look into it, unfortunately I have not tested on all the
platforms as I just don't have them available.

I think I have a non-High Sierra (Low Sierra?) box that I may be able to
test on. Were there big changes between these?

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Ralph Seichter]

On 14.11.17 13:52, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:

> You may notice that Atlas has a new look, and is no longer called Atlas.

I also notice that the "new look" does not work in Safari 11 on macOS
10.13.1 (High Sierra). For shame! Has nobody tested this?

Problem detail: When accessing https://atlas.torproject.org/ , the query
box and explanatory text are missing in Safari. See screenshot at
https://imgur.com/a/XnA9f . Searching works fine in Chrome and Firefox
on macOS.

-Ralph
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] my IP got blocked

[Nagaev Boris]

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Julien ROBIN  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's not the first time I hear about Non-Exit IP blocked (but may be some
> people here are more familiar with the subject) : I don't really know what
> are the most used interfaces/websites from which those administrators are
> getting the list of IP addresses before blocking them (are they downloading
> the full consensus list like tor clients or from another website ?).
>
> May be websites proposing these lists should split them in 2 distinct lists,
> and normally show only exit nodes unless something very precise is asked by
> the user for seeing all tor relays including non exit. For lazy/angry
> administrators trying to definitely block all Tor IP addresses without
> considering giving any another time or second chance it would avoid some of
> these non exit relays blocked ? Of course ideally those administrators are
> doing some mistake and the problem is coming from them more than from
> anybody else (or may be bad users, too). But into the facts, when a mistake
> is repeatedly done, may be changing some things should be considered ? If
> possible of course (it's not always simple or quick).
>

dnsbl.info used to provide two tor-related lists: (1) all nodes and (2) exits.
Some webmasters could use the first one by mistake.
Fortunately today they provide only the list of exits:
http://www.dnsbl.info/dnsbl-list.php

-- 
Best regards,
Boris Nagaev
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] my IP got blocked

[Julien ROBIN]

Hi,

It's not the first time I hear about Non-Exit IP blocked (but may be 
some people here are more familiar with the subject) : I don't really 
know what are the most used interfaces/websites from which those 
administrators are getting the list of IP addresses before blocking them 
(are they downloading the full consensus list like tor clients or from 
another website ?).


May be websites proposing these lists should split them in 2 distinct 
lists, and normally show only exit nodes unless something very precise 
is asked by the user for seeing all tor relays including non exit. For 
lazy/angry administrators trying to definitely block all Tor IP 
addresses without considering giving any another time or second chance 
it would avoid some of these non exit relays blocked ? Of course ideally 
those administrators are doing some mistake and the problem is coming 
from them more than from anybody else (or may be bad users, too). But 
into the facts, when a mistake is repeatedly done, may be changing some 
things should be considered ? If possible of course (it's not always 
simple or quick).


Best regards,
Julien ROBIN

Le 14/11/2017 à 13:45, Matt Traudt a écrit :


On 11/14/17 07:38, Patrice wrote:

Hi everyone,


I`ve got an issue with my local IP address. I am running a relay about 1
year and since 3 or 4 weeks I can`t reach some websites like: ebay or ikea.

All I get is this message:

*
*

*Access Denied*
You don`t have permission to access "Http://www.ebay.com/" on this server.

Reference # looong number__


I think I am on some blacklists. After I change my IP address all worked
fine for only 2 days.

Can I do something about this?

Thank you for your help!

Kind regards
Kalle


If you're running an exit, they probably saw abusive traffic, didn't
like it, and blocked your IP. You could consider not running an exit
relay from home.

If you're running a non-exit, then they're being dumb for blocking your
IP when it is impossible for abusive traffic to come from your relay.
Some webmasters who don't understand Tor do that, but there's not really
anything we can do. Best I can suggest is you try talking to them, which
isn't a very satisfying suggestion, I know.

Matt
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays


___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] [metrics-team] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[David Goulet]

On 14 Nov (13:24:21), Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On 14/11/17 13:01, David Goulet wrote:
> > Quick question for you. Atlas used to have the search box at all time in the
> > corner which for me was very useful because I could do many search without 
> > an
> > extra click to go back one level down like the new site has.
> > 
> > How crazy would it be to bring it back? Always hovering in the top corner? 
> > :)
> > Maybe a ticket would be a better way to ask?
> 
> Please do file a ticket.

Cheers!

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24274

> 
> Thanks,
> Iain.
> 
> ___
> tor-relays mailing list
> tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays


-- 
MxBkRXCYwsjs9XYQ2CdV6AR4pWxGtfzRvkWje9ebIvM=


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] [metrics-team] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Roman Mamedov]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:22:00 +
nusenu  wrote:

> > Quick question for you. Atlas used to have the search box at all time in the
> > corner which for me was very useful because I could do many search without 
> > an
> > extra click
> 
> +1

Here's another variation on the Atlas theme that I found some time ago:
https://onionite.now.sh/
it still has the search box.

-- 
With respect,
Roman
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] [metrics-team] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi David,

On 14/11/17 13:01, David Goulet wrote:
> Quick question for you. Atlas used to have the search box at all time in the
> corner which for me was very useful because I could do many search without an
> extra click to go back one level down like the new site has.
> 
> How crazy would it be to bring it back? Always hovering in the top corner? :)
> Maybe a ticket would be a better way to ask?

Please do file a ticket.

Thanks,
Iain.




signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] [metrics-team] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[nusenu]

David Goulet:
> Quick question for you. Atlas used to have the search box at all time in the
> corner which for me was very useful because I could do many search without an
> extra click

+1

-- 
https://mastodon.social/@nusenu
twitter: @nusenu_



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] [metrics-team] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[David Goulet]

On 14 Nov (12:52:27), Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> You may notice that Atlas has a new look, and is no longer called Atlas.
> For now no URLs have changed but this is part of work to merge this tool
> into the Tor Metrics website.

Hi Iain!

Great stuff! Thanks for this and letting us know also, I would have been very
confused as I use Atlas all the time :).

Quick question for you. Atlas used to have the search box at all time in the
corner which for me was very useful because I could do many search without an
extra click to go back one level down like the new site has.

How crazy would it be to bring it back? Always hovering in the top corner? :)
Maybe a ticket would be a better way to ask?

Big thanks!
David

> 
> The style is determined by the Tor Metrics Style, and modifications have
> been made to fit this.
> 
> The decision was made to deploy these changes before the actual
> integration into metrics.torproject.org to allow for other issues to be
> worked on. This was a big change and it was tricky maintaining two
> branches of the codebase.
> 
> Issues should still be reported on the Metrics/Atlas component in the
> Tor trac if they arise. When we come to full integration, URLs will
> change but there will be a period where we maintain redirects to prevent
> any URLs from breaking while waiting for being updated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Iain.
> 




> ___
> metrics-team mailing list
> metrics-t...@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/metrics-team


-- 
M72MGWsMq9KJ+hYLXg8sXrwfexA4QUqnNwWVOMxVBvM=


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

[tor-relays] Atlas is now Relay Search!

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi All,

You may notice that Atlas has a new look, and is no longer called Atlas.
For now no URLs have changed but this is part of work to merge this tool
into the Tor Metrics website.

The style is determined by the Tor Metrics Style, and modifications have
been made to fit this.

The decision was made to deploy these changes before the actual
integration into metrics.torproject.org to allow for other issues to be
worked on. This was a big change and it was tricky maintaining two
branches of the codebase.

Issues should still be reported on the Metrics/Atlas component in the
Tor trac if they arise. When we come to full integration, URLs will
change but there will be a period where we maintain redirects to prevent
any URLs from breaking while waiting for being updated.

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] my IP got blocked

[Matt Traudt]

On 11/14/17 07:38, Patrice wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> 
> I`ve got an issue with my local IP address. I am running a relay about 1
> year and since 3 or 4 weeks I can`t reach some websites like: ebay or ikea.
> 
> All I get is this message:
> 
> *
> *
> 
> *Access Denied*
> You don`t have permission to access "Http://www.ebay.com/" on this server.
> 
> Reference # looong number__
> 
> 
> I think I am on some blacklists. After I change my IP address all worked
> fine for only 2 days.
> 
> Can I do something about this?
> 
> Thank you for your help!
> 
> Kind regards
> Kalle
> 

If you're running an exit, they probably saw abusive traffic, didn't
like it, and blocked your IP. You could consider not running an exit
relay from home.

If you're running a non-exit, then they're being dumb for blocking your
IP when it is impossible for abusive traffic to come from your relay.
Some webmasters who don't understand Tor do that, but there's not really
anything we can do. Best I can suggest is you try talking to them, which
isn't a very satisfying suggestion, I know.

Matt
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

[tor-relays] my IP got blocked

[Patrice]

Hi everyone,


I`ve got an issue with my local IP address. I am running a relay about 1 
year and since 3 or 4 weeks I can`t reach some websites like: ebay or ikea.


All I get is this message:

*
*

*Access Denied*
You don`t have permission to access "Http://www.ebay.com/" on this server.

Reference # looong number__


I think I am on some blacklists. After I change my IP address all worked 
fine for only 2 days.


Can I do something about this?

Thank you for your help!

Kind regards
Kalle

___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] HS and relay - same server different tor instance

[blaze glory]

I understand the downtime correlation issue. What i wanted to achive with this is to get some decoy tor traffic going from the same address so if someone does some snooping around they can see that theres a relay running - I guess its a compromise between keeping a lower profile by not exposing public ip through a relay or having relay traffic as a decoy to tor activity best regards,b 14.11.2017, 01:21, "teor" :  On 14 Nov 2017, at 10:54, blaze glory  wrote: Hi, Hopefully this list is the right address for this question. I know that running a hidden service and relay from the same tor instance is not advisable to say the least (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/8742) but what about running a relay and HS on the same ip, different instance (multiple virtual machines using same public ip for example). The purpose of it would be to have some decoy tor traffic (so it looks like relay is creating it not HS) I can imagine some traffic analysis could be done if HS picks the relay on the same ip as RP or IP or guard node. Are there any mechanisms in tor to prevent that? What other downsides are there for running a setup like this?When your relay goes down due to a fault on your machine or its network,the hidden service also goes down. This allows an attacker to match updowntimes, and work out the public IP address of your hidden service.(A similar attack can be used to work out which hidden services arerunning on the same tor instance, machine, or network.)Tor is not designed to hide hidden service traffic in relay traffic,because relays are not anonymous. Instead, Tor hides hidden servicetraffic in client traffic (and, to a lesser extent, bridge traffic).If you want to hide your hidden service traffic, encourage other peoplenear you to run Tor clients, hidden services, and bridges.T --Tim / teorPGP C855 6CED 5D90 A0C5 29F6 4D43 450C BA7F 968F 094Bricochet:ekmygaiu4rzgsk6n ,___tor-relays mailing listtor-relays@lists.torproject.orghttps://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] PSA: exclude /var/lib/tor/diff-cache/ from your backups

[teor]

> On 14 Nov 2017, at 20:37, Iain R. Learmonth  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 14/11/17 05:03, Roman Mamedov wrote:
>> Dear Tor project: this is very bad style to keep that in /var/lib, content
>> with properties like this must go into /var/cache/ [1], where it would be
>> automatically excluded from backups by default policies in most backup 
>> systems.
> 
> It does seem that all paths used by tor are relative to DataDirectory,
> which has usually been /var/lib/tor. Perhaps a new configuration option
> for CacheDirectory, and moving caches to that directory, would be
> useful. It would be up to packagers to actually use that option though,
> a default of using DataDirectory as CacheDirectory would not be entirely
> unreasonable for cases where tor is embedded in other software.
> 
> This would seem worthy of a trac ticket if someone could write one up.

Done:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24272#ticket

I'm surprised this hasn't come up before: the existing consensus and
directory documents are 10MB+, and change every hour.

I guess disks are big nowadays…

Also, your relay will survive if you set DataDirectory to /var/cache.
But it will lose its keys every time /var/cache is cleared, which some
distributions do on restart. (This means it will take some time to
attract bandwidth and flags after a restart.)

T___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] PSA: exclude /var/lib/tor/diff-cache/ from your backups

[Iain R. Learmonth]

Hi,

On 14/11/17 05:03, Roman Mamedov wrote:
> Dear Tor project: this is very bad style to keep that in /var/lib, content
> with properties like this must go into /var/cache/ [1], where it would be
> automatically excluded from backups by default policies in most backup 
> systems.

It does seem that all paths used by tor are relative to DataDirectory,
which has usually been /var/lib/tor. Perhaps a new configuration option
for CacheDirectory, and moving caches to that directory, would be
useful. It would be up to packagers to actually use that option though,
a default of using DataDirectory as CacheDirectory would not be entirely
unreasonable for cases where tor is embedded in other software.

This would seem worthy of a trac ticket if someone could write one up.

Thanks,
Iain.



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays