[tor-relays] Difference Between "Number of Routers" And "Number Of Descriptors"

[Keifer Bly]

Hi,

So upon checking my relay status at torstatus.blutimage.de, I saw 


Number of Routers In Cache:

Number of Descriptors In Cache:

I wanted to double check, what is the difference between “Number of Routers” 
and “Number of Descriptors”? 
I know Number of Routers means number of relays currently running. 

Thank you.

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[tor-relays] Reminder: Meeting in #tor-relays

[Colin Childs]

Hi everyone,

As promised, this is a reminder email that we will be holding our first IRC 
relay operator meeting this week! 

When: September 11th @ 1:00AM UTC 
Where: irc.oftc.net  @ #tor-relays

You can confirm your local date / time by visiting the following page, and 
selecting your timezone from the dropdown menu:

https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx?y=2018=9=11=1=0
 


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Re: [tor-relays] Court Order

[I]

As Trumpf said "it was good for putting me to sleep" because I was looking for 
discussion on running relays.


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Re: [tor-relays] Court Order

[Conrad Rockenhaus]

S7R,

I emailed you privately with evidence hoping you would retract your statement. 
Unfortunately, you’ve decided to not reply, so I’ll gladly post a redacted copy 
of the court order to my blog: 
https://www.rockenhaus.com/2018/09/hey-now-court-order.html as well as respond 
to some of your finer points.

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 8:25 AM, s7r  wrote:
> 
> I can see this way too often in the mail list and it looks like some
> pour attempts of advertising of a small hosting/server/vps company
> start-up. I sincerely doubt any court order was received on such short
> notice, especially because these procedures take significant time from
> the date an action happen to the date subpoena/court order is physically
> received. Subject of this email thread chosen to attract attention, yet
> with 0 proof.

My, oh my, you really need some education about Court Orders if you think they 
really need to “take some time” to get one. All a Police Officer has to do is 
convince a judge that they believe Party X holds evidence related to the crime, 
and they need Party X to release the evidence to bolster their case to probable 
cause for arrest or to determine who the suspect is. If a judge agrees, the 
court order is signed. It’s up to you to fight the court order.

I would like to see how I was advertising. I didn’t mention my company once, I 
sent it from my personal account, and I sent the email just to inform that 
another relay operator received a court order, which is an atypical topic 
brought up here.


> Secondly, the said company could not have received a court order, or
> even an abuse email, it is OVH who could have received them, and if it
> really was a court order they would not pass it further downstream, they
> would just tell them who the user of the IP address was at the given time.

Thank you for educating me about my network, but too bad the servers weren’t 
hosted at OVH. However, I’m contacted directly about my IP space at OVH as 
well, because it’s reassigned to me. I have servers at other locations, but I 
greatly appreciate you knowing my network oh so well.

> 
> HIGHLIGHT: I appreciate and respect and am thankful to people doing any
> efforts at all to run exit nodes running, including setting up small
> re-seller accounts with big providers and do it. We do not have to
> advertise these facts to the mail list over and over again.
> 
> After all this company does not even own any IP address space at all, it
> is an OVH re-seller with a different html website, and all those exits
> can be shut down the minute OVH decides they received too many abuse
> complaints, and that is it. They can state as long as they want that
> they will not shut them down, just one day some person in management
> changes and decides they are not worth it, so bye-bye.
> 
> Quite some people here are running exits under their own AS numbers and
> own IP address space with different upstream providers that provide real
> diversity yet none of them advertise it so heavily.

HIGHLIGHT: No, you don’t appreciate and respect people doing any efforts at all 
to keep exit nodes running, otherwise, you wouldn’t of sent this email. No one 
was advertising, you could of easily emailed me and asked me for proof before 
launching into your little tirade like another gentleman here did because he 
was angry that he wasn’t getting three servers for free anymore on an one 
server trial. Too many people decide to draft an email and send to everyone 
instead of actually getting their facts straight for a change.

Oh, and no, again, we’re not just an OVH reseller, but thank you, maybe I 
should become one and maybe they’ll actually pay me something. I heard they 
have a good referral program.

> 
> ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT SO MY WORDS DO NOT GET TWISTED: I am not saying these
> relays are useless, they are just not such a big deal to keep reading
> about them over and over again.
> 
> Thanks for not understanding it wrong.

Well, it came across completely wrong.

Conrad


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Re: [tor-relays] Torservers relay family decreased?

[nusenu]

Moritz Bartl:
> On 08.09.2018 22:19, Paul wrote:
>> i am glad that somebody else got notice and i agree, suspecting
>> something nasty (or highly unusual) is going on. There was a discussion
>> about that in Berlin in July already
>> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/BerlinRelayOperatorsMeetupJul18
>> but no public follow-up since then.
> 
> It's weird because nobody asked us, whereas the IP assignments clearly
> point to us (and the meeting even happened in a space I am responsible
> for)...
 

I noted the same thing on 2018-07-25 as well:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2018-July/015759.html

maybe a...@torproject.org (author of the wiki page) can clarify?


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Re: [tor-relays] Court Order

[Franklin Bynum]

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 08:25, s7r  wrote:
> 
> I sincerely doubt any court order was received on such short
> notice

You lost me here. I’ve seen the order. 

You think a cop can’t get a court order on short notice? Let me tell you about 
cops and courts then.
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Re: [tor-relays] Court Order

[s7r]

Conrad Rockenhaus wrote:
> Greypony received its first Court Order yesterday. Unfortunately, we have no 
> records to provide since it was a Tor Exit, and we don’t even have records of 
> who owned that relay at that IP address because we don’t keep records of the 
> info. Oops.
> 
> It’s a pretty broad Court Order, and kind of funny. Oh well.
> 
> Conrad
> 

I can see this way too often in the mail list and it looks like some
pour attempts of advertising of a small hosting/server/vps company
start-up. I sincerely doubt any court order was received on such short
notice, especially because these procedures take significant time from
the date an action happen to the date subpoena/court order is physically
received. Subject of this email thread chosen to attract attention, yet
with 0 proof.

Secondly, the said company could not have received a court order, or
even an abuse email, it is OVH who could have received them, and if it
really was a court order they would not pass it further downstream, they
would just tell them who the user of the IP address was at the given time.

HIGHLIGHT: I appreciate and respect and am thankful to people doing any
efforts at all to run exit nodes running, including setting up small
re-seller accounts with big providers and do it. We do not have to
advertise these facts to the mail list over and over again.

After all this company does not even own any IP address space at all, it
is an OVH re-seller with a different html website, and all those exits
can be shut down the minute OVH decides they received too many abuse
complaints, and that is it. They can state as long as they want that
they will not shut them down, just one day some person in management
changes and decides they are not worth it, so bye-bye.

Quite some people here are running exits under their own AS numbers and
own IP address space with different upstream providers that provide real
diversity yet none of them advertise it so heavily.

ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT SO MY WORDS DO NOT GET TWISTED: I am not saying these
relays are useless, they are just not such a big deal to keep reading
about them over and over again.

Thanks for not understanding it wrong.



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