Re: [tor-relays] BoingBoing Says Running Exits Is No Trouble re: LEA

[Kenneth Freeman]

On 07/06/2016 01:01 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> https://boingboing.net/2016/07/01/researchers-find-over-100-spyi.html
> "Many people fear that running an exit node will put them in police
> crosshairs if it gets used in the commission of a crime. For the
> record, Boing Boing runs a very high-capacity exit node, and though
> we've received multiple contacts from US law enforcement, we've just
> explained that this is a Tor node that runs with logging switched off,
> and thus we have no information that'll be relevant to any
> investigations, and the officers involved have thanked us and gone
> away without further trouble." -- BoingBoing

Along those lines, it is possible to incorporate yourself. The default
is "Don't talk to cops," but if any individuals have incorporated
themselves to provide that helpful corporate legal layer I am unaware of
it. In any case, have your legalese in place. Law enforcement agencies
would rather not waste resources.





0xDD79757F.asc
Description: application/pgp-keys


signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] BoingBoing Says Running Exits Is No Trouble re: LEA

[Kenneth Freeman]

On 07/06/2016 01:09 PM, Green Dream wrote:
> Except the operators at BoingBoing have the privilege of corporate
> liability (instead of personal liability), and very likely corporate
> counsel (i.e., a nice legal team) as well.
> 
> It seems easier to say "don't worry about it, it's not really a problem"
> from that perspective.
> 
> For the average Tor volunteer operator, all that comfort, protection and
> privilege is gone. _My_ ass is on the line. Or at least it feels that way.
> 
> I guess I'm saying, I wouldn't get too comfortable. Definitely not to the
> point of breaking rule #1 of running an exit -- don't do it from home.

Exits are best run from some corporate set-up for this very reason. They
have the legal infrastructure baked in, so to speak.

In there's one phrase you never want to be on the wrong side of, it's
"The way the law is written..."

In today's Slashdot article on "honions" the Library Freedom Project was
touted, and for very good reason.

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/07/08/2034209/researchers-discover-over-100-tor-nodes-designed-to-spy-on-hidden-services#comments

So go to your local library's board meeting and tout Tor exits!



0xDD79757F.asc
Description: application/pgp-keys


signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] BoingBoing Says Running Exits Is No Trouble re: LEA

[grarpamp]

On 7/6/16, Green Dream  wrote:
> It seems easier to say "don't worry about it, it's not really a problem"
> from that perspective.

That's a given.

> For the average Tor volunteer operator, all that comfort, protection and
> privilege is gone. _My_ ass is on the line. Or at least it feels that way.

Setting up the equivalent of LLC for relays can be relatively
inexpensive compared to a few years of overall operating costs.
And operators should at least shop for and say hi heads up in
person to a lawyer in advance anyways.
And let the ISP know all that because they're first contact LEA makes.
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] BoingBoing Says Running Exits Is No Trouble re: LEA

[Green Dream]

Except the operators at BoingBoing have the privilege of corporate
liability (instead of personal liability), and very likely corporate
counsel (i.e., a nice legal team) as well.

It seems easier to say "don't worry about it, it's not really a problem"
from that perspective.

For the average Tor volunteer operator, all that comfort, protection and
privilege is gone. _My_ ass is on the line. Or at least it feels that way.

I guess I'm saying, I wouldn't get too comfortable. Definitely not to the
point of breaking rule #1 of running an exit -- don't do it from home.
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

[tor-relays] BoingBoing Says Running Exits Is No Trouble re: LEA

[grarpamp]

https://boingboing.net/2016/07/01/researchers-find-over-100-spyi.html
"Many people fear that running an exit node will put them in police
crosshairs if it gets used in the commission of a crime. For the
record, Boing Boing runs a very high-capacity exit node, and though
we've received multiple contacts from US law enforcement, we've just
explained that this is a Tor node that runs with logging switched off,
and thus we have no information that'll be relevant to any
investigations, and the officers involved have thanked us and gone
away without further trouble." -- BoingBoing
___
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays