[tor-talk] tor breaks after applying firewall
Hello all, I have install and run tor natively in ubuntu and also set /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 and the dns is running fine. If I then apply my firewall ping failed and no access to internet. Moreover tor breaks after some time with the following error (..) [notice] Tor has not observed any network activity for the past 71 seconds. Disabling circuit build timeout recording. [notice] Tried for 120 seconds to get a connection to [scrubbed]:0. Giving up. (waiting for circuit) [notice] Tried for 120 seconds to get a connection to [scrubbed]:0. Giving up. (waiting for circuit) [notice] Tried for 120 seconds to get a connection to [scrubbed]:0. Giving up. (waiting for circuit) (..) Surely it is a iptable issue. I am giving it here. Can anyone suggest what breaks my access ? ## Flush all iptables -F iptables -X iptables -t nat -F iptables -t mangle -F # Reset the iptables counters iptables -Z iptables -t nat -Z 2/dev/null iptables -t mangle -Z iptables -P INPUT DROP iptables -P OUTPUT DROP iptables -P FORWARD DROP #Allow unlimited traffic on the loopback interface iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT # Internal network connections are accepted. iptables -A OUTPUT -d 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j ACCEPT #Make sure NEW tcp connections are SYN packets iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ! --syn -m state --state NEW -j DROP # tor # Local network connections should be passed but DNS shall be # rejected. iptables -N lan iptables -A lan -p TCP --dport domain -j REJECT iptables -A lan -p UDP --dport domain -j REJECT iptables -A lan -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT ! -o lo -p tcp -m tcp -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9040 iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 9040 -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p udp --dport 53 -m state --state NEW -j REDIRECT --to-ports 53 iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-reply -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT # Everything else is dropped. iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT ! -o lan -j DROP } ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
- Forwarded message from Chris cal...@gmail.com - From: Chris cal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:04:02 -0500 To: NANOG list na...@nanog.org Subject: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
Has anyone checked to see whether this is another scam? If not, send me some too. From: Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 7:59:12 AM Subject: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. - Forwarded message from Chris cal...@gmail.com - From: Chris cal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:04:02 -0500 To: NANOG list na...@nanog.org Subject: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl leitl'http://leitl.org;leitl http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] tor breaks after applying firewall
hi, charlie.m...@riseup.net wrote (29 Nov 2012 13:39:31 GMT) : If I then apply my firewall ping failed and no access to internet. I think this is off-topic, and I suggest you find a better suited place for basic iptables/netfilter support. iptables -N lan As far as I can see, this chain is never called. iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT ! -o lan -j DROP I don't parse this line, and I doubt iptables does. Other than that, at first glance, I fail to see how Tor would be allowed to connect to the Internet. I suggest starting over from a known-working similar firewall, such as Tails' or Liberté's one. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
Hi, I think it isn't scam, because William has contacted the torservers.net team, too (in german, not asking for money, but for a recommendation for a lawyer in .at). Best regards morphium 2012/11/29 David Carlson carlson...@sbcglobal.net: Has anyone checked to see whether this is another scam? If not, send me some too. From: Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 7:59:12 AM Subject: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. - Forwarded message from Chris cal...@gmail.com - From: Chris cal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:04:02 -0500 To: NANOG list na...@nanog.org Subject: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl leitl'http://leitl.org;leitl http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- morphium - morph...@jabber.ccc.de - 113332157 http://identi.ca/morphium - http://twitter.com/morphium86 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
Just give us a few hours, we are working on some articles, proof, etc David Carlson schrieb: Has anyone checked to see whether this is another scam? If not, send me some too. From: Eugen Leitleu...@leitl.org To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 7:59:12 AM Subject: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. - Forwarded message from Chriscal...@gmail.com - From: Chriscal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:04:02 -0500 To: NANOG listna...@nanog.org Subject: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton - End forwarded message - ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
perhaps we can ask William for his exit node fingerprint or IP to verify? I'd like to make a donation if I can confirm the message. On Nov 29, 2012 6:40 AM, David Carlson carlson...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone checked to see whether this is another scam? If not, send me some too. From: Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 7:59:12 AM Subject: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. - Forwarded message from Chris cal...@gmail.com - From: Chris cal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:04:02 -0500 To: NANOG list na...@nanog.org Subject: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl leitl'http://leitl.org;leitl http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 02:59:00PM +0100, eu...@leitl.org wrote 2.6K bytes in 75 lines about: : Subject: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you : can. Thanks for forwarding this Eugen. For the record, we have https://blog.torproject.org/category/tags/tor-legal-support-directory. The CCC or torservers are fine places to start. I've also directly emailed William to offer help. William will likely need an official letter from Tor stating his IP address and exit relay was or was not an exit relay at the time in question (which will be listed on the warrant). And he may need me to formally describe Tor for either a lawyer, judge, or the police. These are all steps we at Tor have taken before to help relay opers support their cases. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
- Forwarded message from Barry Shein b...@world.std.com - From: Barry Shein b...@world.std.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:17:27 -0500 To: NANOG list na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under Emacs 21.2.2 Back in the early days of the public internet we didn't require any id to create an account, just that you found a way to pay us. We had anonymous accts some of whom dropped by personally to pay their bill, some said hello but I usually didn't know their names and that's how they wanted it, I'd answer hello ACCOUNT, whatever their login was if I recognized them. Some mailed in something, a mail order, even currency tho that was rare but it did happen, or had someone else drop by to pay in cash (that is, no idea if they were local.) LEO occasionally served a warrant for information, usually child porn biz (more than just accessing child porn, selling it) tho I don't remember any anonymous accts being involved. I never expected to be held accountable for anyone's behavior unless I was knowingly involved somehow (just the usual caveat.) LEO never showed any particular interest in the fact that we were ok with anonymous accounts. If I was made aware of illegal activities we'd shut them off, didn't really happen much, maybe some credible hacking complaint on occasion. It's funny, it's all illusion like show business. It's not hard to set up anonymous service, crap, just drop in at any wi-fi hotspot, many just ask you to click that you accept their TCs and you're on. Would they raid them, I was just using one at a major hospital this week that was just like that, if someone used that for child porn etc? But I guess stick your nose out and say you're specifically offering anon accts and watch out I guess. -- -Barry Shein The World | b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD| Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool Die| Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo* - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
- Forwarded message from Emily Ozols win...@team-metro.net - From: Emily Ozols win...@team-metro.net Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:14:08 +1100 To: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. Hi, I gotta ask and I'm sure someone would if I didn't, but how do we know this guy is legit? He's jumped up on a forum saying, Hey, police raided me, help. gib mone plz and failed to provide and reason as to how he's real and not just making it up. Maybe if there's a way to know this guy is legit, I'll help out if possible, but until then I'm just going to watch others with caution and I suggest others do as well. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Chris cal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton -- ~Em - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] tor breaks after applying firewall
On 11/29/2012 8:41 AM, intrigeri wrote: hi, charlie.m...@riseup.net wrote (29 Nov 2012 13:39:31 GMT) : If I then apply my firewall ping failed and no access to internet. I think this is off-topic, and I suggest you find a better suited place for basic iptables/netfilter support. iptables -N lan As far as I can see, this chain is never called. iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT ! -o lan -j DROP I don't parse this line, and I doubt iptables does. Other than that, at first glance, I fail to see how Tor would be allowed to connect to the Internet. I suggest starting over from a known-working similar firewall, such as Tails' or Liberté's one. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk I recently had a similar issue after my ISP reset the firewall in the Modem. That stopped my relay until I restored the pinholes in the firewall. I don't think that would have affected normal browsing access however. You do not specify whether you are using TBB. Additionally, I have a Ubuntu 12.04 machine which just broke it's network service such that DHCP fails to receive an IP address from my network server. Your Ubuntu may be broken. As intrigeri suggested, try using Tails. David C ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
- Forwarded message from Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com - From: Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:19:19 -0600 To: na...@nanog.org Subject: RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. I think the best analogy I would use in defense is something like the pre-paid cellular phones that are sold. That is about the only anonymous communications service I can think of off the top of my head. Problem is that most people are not licensed carriers and may not be able to hide behind that protection. I can see an argument both ways with the feds saying that you are running a service for the express service of concealing the identity of a person allowing them to avoid law enforcement (among other uses). On the other hand, the makers of guns do not get charged with murder even though their tool enabled a criminal. Could go either way but the problem is that in any case it will be expensive to defend so win or lose, you lose. I guess you can't run a Tor exit unless you have a legal defense fund set up. I understand the legit uses of Tor but wonder what the actual percentage of good vs. evil use really is. Steven Naslund -Original Message- From: Barry Shein [mailto:b...@world.std.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:17 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. Back in the early days of the public internet we didn't require any id to create an account, just that you found a way to pay us. We had anonymous accts some of whom dropped by personally to pay their bill, some said hello but I usually didn't know their names and that's how they wanted it, I'd answer hello ACCOUNT, whatever their login was if I recognized them. Some mailed in something, a mail order, even currency tho that was rare but it did happen, or had someone else drop by to pay in cash (that is, no idea if they were local.) LEO occasionally served a warrant for information, usually child porn biz (more than just accessing child porn, selling it) tho I don't remember any anonymous accts being involved. I never expected to be held accountable for anyone's behavior unless I was knowingly involved somehow (just the usual caveat.) LEO never showed any particular interest in the fact that we were ok with anonymous accounts. If I was made aware of illegal activities we'd shut them off, didn't really happen much, maybe some credible hacking complaint on occasion. It's funny, it's all illusion like show business. It's not hard to set up anonymous service, crap, just drop in at any wi-fi hotspot, many just ask you to click that you accept their TCs and you're on. Would they raid them, I was just using one at a major hospital this week that was just like that, if someone used that for child porn etc? But I guess stick your nose out and say you're specifically offering anon accts and watch out I guess. -- -Barry Shein The World | b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD| Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool Die| Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo* - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Limited Exit Nodes?
Hi,
I have my Tor configuration limited to US-only exit nodes via torrc like so:
StrictNodes 1ExitNodes {US}
I'm getting US-only exit nodes, but the problem is I appear to be limited to
about 18 nodes! Everything I check indicates that there are about 300 active
exit nodes in the US at any given time -- why am I only getting the same 18
over and over again?!?
Thanks,Landon
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Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
William will be posting a statement soon which will explain everything that's happened and give a detailed account of events, along with evidence including pictures showing the aftermath of the raid in his apartment, as well as copies of the warrant and inventory of seized items. He runs a large ISP in Austria and is a well respected member of the community, a lot of us have already sent in donations. His blog is https://rdns.im/ and I'm guessing the statement will be posted on there, I'll send everyone a link once it's finished being written. On 29 November 2012 19:22, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: - Forwarded message from Emily Ozols win...@team-metro.net - From: Emily Ozols win...@team-metro.net Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:14:08 +1100 To: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. Hi, I gotta ask and I'm sure someone would if I didn't, but how do we know this guy is legit? He's jumped up on a forum saying, Hey, police raided me, help. gib mone plz and failed to provide and reason as to how he's real and not just making it up. Maybe if there's a way to know this guy is legit, I'll help out if possible, but until then I'm just going to watch others with caution and I suggest others do as well. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Chris cal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton -- ~Em - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
- Forwarded message from Scott Berkman sc...@sberkman.net - From: Scott Berkman sc...@sberkman.net Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:34:33 -0500 To: 'Naslund, Steve' snasl...@medline.com, na...@nanog.org Subject: RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Not sure if there is a legal precedent for this, but logically the difference is that there are no robots that I know of that can automatically receive and parse postal mail, then re-address and forward it. For a human to forward a letter takes a conscious manual action, even if they choose not to look inside. Having a Tor node for no specific purpose, having a hacked server/pc that is then compromised for some nefarious purpose, etc. are not necessarily purposeful actions that one could be held accountable for without other proof. I'd think the LEA would have to establish motive, like in any other crime, to make that jump. Perhaps in this case they believe they have, and that would end up in the courts, where you'd have to hope the Judge and or Jury sees that difference. Don't see this as very different either from when an agency confiscates a whole rack of shared servers because one user was suspected of some bad action, and we all know that does happen. -Scott -Original Message- From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:snasl...@medline.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:07 PM To: na...@nanog.org Subject: RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. How would this be legally different than receiving the illegal content in an envelope and anonymously forwarding the envelope via the post office? I am pretty sure you are still liable since you were the sender. I realize that there are special postal regulations but I think that agreeing to forward anything for anyone sight unseen is pretty risky and I think you will have a hard time pulling of the service provider defense if you are not selling services and are not licensed as a carrier. Steven Naslund -Original Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:45 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:17 , Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: Back in the early days of the public internet we didn't require any id to create an account, just that you found a way to pay us. We had anonymous accts some of whom dropped by personally to pay their bill, some said hello but I usually didn't know their names and that's how they wanted it, I'd answer hello ACCOUNT, whatever their login was if I recognized them. Some mailed in something, a mail order, even currency tho that was rare but it did happen, or had someone else drop by to pay in cash (that is, no idea if they were local.) LEO occasionally served a warrant for information, usually child porn biz (more than just accessing child porn, selling it) tho I don't remember any anonymous accts being involved. Mere conduit defense. (Please do not anyone mention common carrier status or the like, ISPs are _not_ common carriers.) I never expected to be held accountable for anyone's behavior unless I was knowingly involved somehow (just the usual caveat.) LEO never showed any particular interest in the fact that we were ok with anonymous accounts. If I was made aware of illegal activities we'd shut them off, didn't really happen much, maybe some credible hacking complaint on occasion. How do you shut off a Tor account? It's funny, it's all illusion like show business. It's not hard to set up anonymous service, crap, just drop in at any wi-fi hotspot, many just ask you to click that you accept their TCs and you're on. Would they raid them, I was just using one at a major hospital this week that was just like that, if someone used that for child porn etc? But I guess stick your nose out and say you're specifically offering anon accts and watch out I guess. Do you think if the police found out child pr0n was being served from a starbux they wouldn't confiscate the equipment from that store? -- TTFN, patrick - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
- Forwarded message from elijah wright e...@stderr.org - From: elijah wright e...@stderr.org Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:38:51 -0600 To: Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org Cc: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. We had a guy (aka potential customer) inquire the other day about hosting a Tor exit on our infrastructure the other day; he disappeared fairly quickly when he figured out that we weren't just going to give him an endless supply of unmetered 10G bandwidth. I was looking forward to billing him. :-) I'm not sure that armchair lawyering, here, actually helps anyone. Also, spel-chek, sequitur. best, --e On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 01:14:08AM +1100, Emily Ozols wrote: Hi, I gotta ask and I'm sure someone would if I didn't, but how do we know this guy is legit? He's jumped up on a forum saying, Hey, police raided me, help. gib mone plz and failed to provide and reason as to how he's real and not just making it up. Maybe if there's a way to know this guy is legit, I'll help out if possible, but until then I'm just going to watch others with caution and I suggest others do as well. This matter is being investigated by the Tor developers. It looks legitimate, so far. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Chris cal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton -- ~Em -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
Running an exit node from home DSL or Cable is bad idea. One must look for a Tor friendly ISP and have balls made of steel! --SiNA On 11/29/2012 11:31 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: People will spend time and money securing their home wireless so their neighbor can't steal their internet, but willingly allow strangers from anywhere in the world to use their connections no strings attached. It's hilarious. -- “Be the change you want to see in the world.” Gandhi OTR: i...@jabber.ccc.de a5dae15f45a37e9768f6deae7b54807fc4942ec9 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
I've been given the fingerprints for the tor nodes ran by William to help verify the story. ZhangPoland1 (id: FA48 6415 B86D 28CD 047D 10F7 6768 E4E8 8A18 2F71) ZhangUkraine1 (id: FBFB C419 3459 C73D 001F 3303 8CCD 6EE8 CFEC 27F7) ZhangDomination (id: 58FF 4431 2066 3861 23B2 8491 4028 DA60 3C14 E690) ZhangAustria1 (id: E595 B870 8A62 D95D 9CDF 2672 705E 9696 AFA2 6559) ZhangCzechrep1 (id: A162 20B3 736C 1849 2418 AA83 9BF6 4525 589B B9F9) ZhangCzechrep2 (id: EDC4 87DE 5D50 A98F 1F94 8685 082F DF43 939F 5C48) ZhangCzechrep3 (id: 3593 401F 195E 1866 D2B1 B6EF 4EFD 18B6 CCAA 4BDC) On 29 November 2012 19:22, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: - Forwarded message from Emily Ozols win...@team-metro.net - From: Emily Ozols win...@team-metro.net Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:14:08 +1100 To: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. Hi, I gotta ask and I'm sure someone would if I didn't, but how do we know this guy is legit? He's jumped up on a forum saying, Hey, police raided me, help. gib mone plz and failed to provide and reason as to how he's real and not just making it up. Maybe if there's a way to know this guy is legit, I'll help out if possible, but until then I'm just going to watch others with caution and I suggest others do as well. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Chris cal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned upside down. Source: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses From the URL: Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have been confiscated. (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones) If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor exit nodes in Austria or even the EU. Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good lawyer. Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to be around 5000-1 EUR. If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is ok): https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=2Q4LZNBBD7EH4 Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please): Holder: William Weber Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria) Account: 20011351213 Bank sort number: 14200 IBAN: AT031420020011351213 BIC: EASYATW1 I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind. This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this case. If you have any questions or want to donate by another way (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel free to send me a mail (will...@william.si) or a PM, or contact me in LET IRC. Thanks! William -- --C The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. - Sir William Clayton -- ~Em - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM, SiNA Rabbani s...@redteam.io wrote: Running an exit node from home DSL or Cable is bad idea. One must look for a Tor friendly ISP and have balls made of steel! --SiNA That may be so in some jurisdictions, but not in all. If my memory services me correct, that might be very true in Germany , possible in Austria and other Europe jurisdictions. However, I do not believe it is that way in the United States and I am sure there are other jurisdictions that most likely are not that way. Just imo Jon ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:43:03 -0800 SiNA Rabbani s...@redteam.io wrote: Running an exit node from home DSL or Cable is bad idea. One must look for a Tor friendly ISP and have balls made of steel! That's not universally true. Here in the UK I'd say it's risky, which is why I run with a fairly restricted exit policy. This is an option all operators have. In my case, depleted uranium testicles wouldn't make me knowingly subject my kids to that risk - I'm less worried about myself. Here, as in many jurisdictions, the problem is not that running a Tor exit is illegal, but more that there's no protection from the police using it as an excuse to wield their power. The inside of a cell is bad enough when you don't have a painful disability. And I'm still pissed off that they broke my iPhone (I couldn't afford to replace it, but I prefer Android now anyway). [NB. I've not personally had a Tor related incident yet, and I hope to keep it that way] I hope that this William is safe and able to get some decent legal advice :( Julian -- 3072D/F3A66B3A Julian Yon (2012 General Use) pgp.2...@jry.me signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Prepared for [Raided for running a Tor exit node]?
Running an exit node from home DSL or Cable is bad idea. One must look for a Tor friendly ISP and have balls made of steel! ... ISP[/hoster] and[/or] have ... However, I do not believe it is that way in the United States What 'way'? Running an exit node at home, or elsewhere, would seem to come down to... a) Are you physically ready for a query / subpoena / search warrant / exigent raid? Are things segregated by room? Are your doors and machines labeled with the same sort of exit node notice you'd put on the TCP port and in DNS? Have you inventoried, photographed and documented your setup and property? Do you have offsite backups? Are private things encrypted? Are any co-habitants aware and similarly prepared? b) Are you mentally ready? Is your life and butt otherwise clean, legal, and organized? If you were to appear in court, how would you act and be perceived? How do you feel about being in the news and in public docs? Have you networked with other operators and entities? c) Are you legally, financially, and timewise ready? Have you consulted with and preselected a couple attorneys? Have you made arrangements for making bail? How will you make court required appearances? All these sorts of meta things, and surely more, come into play whether or not you're ever raided. I'd suggest making a wiki article for them. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Limited Exit Nodes?
I have my Tor configuration limited to US-only exit nodes via torrc like so:
StrictNodes 1ExitNodes {US}
why am I only getting the same 18 over and over again?!?
As often appears on the list, I don't think Tor maintains state regarding
past exits such as to guarantee rotation among them outside of its normal
selection metrics. And I don't think newnym does more than it says, clean
circuit, which would not necessarily mean new exit.
There is an enhancement ticket regarding general exit bucketing if people
want to further develop that idea...
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6256
there are about 300 active exit nodes in the US at any given time
I'm seeing 170+ US exits at the moment.
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You can find the full interview and more information at http://raided4tor.cryto.net/ On 29 November 2012 22:44, Julian Yon jul...@yon.org.uk wrote: This story has now hit Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/ Julian -- 3072D/F3A66B3A Julian Yon (2012 General Use) pgp.2...@jry.me ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Prepared for [Raided for running a Tor exit node]?
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: Running an exit node from home DSL or Cable is bad idea. One must look for a Tor friendly ISP and have balls made of steel! ... ISP[/hoster] and[/or] have ... However, I do not believe it is that way in the United States What 'way'? Running an exit node at home, or elsewhere, would seem to come down to... a) Are you physically ready for a query / subpoena / search warrant / exigent raid? Are things segregated by room? Are your doors and machines labeled with the same sort of exit node notice you'd put on the TCP port and in DNS? Have you inventoried, photographed and documented your setup and property? Do you have offsite backups? Are private things encrypted? Are any co-habitants aware and similarly prepared? b) Are you mentally ready? Is your life and butt otherwise clean, legal, and organized? If you were to appear in court, how would you act and be perceived? How do you feel about being in the news and in public docs? Have you networked with other operators and entities? c) Are you legally, financially, and timewise ready? Have you consulted with and preselected a couple attorneys? Have you made arrangements for making bail? How will you make court required appearances? All these sorts of meta things, and surely more, come into play whether or not you're ever raided. I'd suggest making a wiki article for them. I do believe some one sounds very paranoid. If you feel that way, you have been around here long enough to know what you can do to avoid all the ' what if's '. All that paranoia is what causes stress related illnesses. Running a exit node on DSL or Cable from home, is just as safe, I believe, as running it through a provider from another country. There are options one can use if they do not want to run a full exit relay node. As they can run a middle node which cuts down the probability of legal issues arising. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Prepared for [Raided for running a Tor exit node]?
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:48:35 -0600 Jon torance...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: What 'way'? Running an exit node at home, or elsewhere, would seem to come down to... a) Are you physically ready for a query / subpoena / search warrant / exigent raid? Are things segregated by room? Are your doors and machines labeled with the same sort of exit node notice you'd put on the TCP port and in DNS? Have you inventoried, photographed and documented your setup and property? Do you have offsite backups? Are private things encrypted? Are any co-habitants aware and similarly prepared? b) Are you mentally ready? Is your life and butt otherwise clean, legal, and organized? If you were to appear in court, how would you act and be perceived? How do you feel about being in the news and in public docs? Have you networked with other operators and entities? c) Are you legally, financially, and timewise ready? Have you consulted with and preselected a couple attorneys? Have you made arrangements for making bail? How will you make court required appearances? All these sorts of meta things, and surely more, come into play whether or not you're ever raided. I'd suggest making a wiki article for them. I do believe some one sounds very paranoid. If you feel that way, you have been around here long enough to know what you can do to avoid all the ' what if's '. All that paranoia is what causes stress related illnesses. Running a exit node on DSL or Cable from home, is just as safe, I believe, as running it through a provider from another country. There are options one can use if they do not want to run a full exit relay node. As they can run a middle node which cuts down the probability of legal issues arising. Those questions didnt seem paranoid to me, they seemed to be sensible disaster planning. At the very least, exit operators should be prepared to have their internet connection threatened by their ISP, and be prepared to answer questions from police tracing activity that happened through their IP address. People in low income neighbourhoods can expect heavier handed tactics, for various reasons not relevant to this list. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Prepared for [Raided for running a Tor exit node]?
Oops, I meant this thread to go on tor-relays list, I'll copy it there. Followup can go there as well. Sorry. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Austrian man is latest to be held responsible for traffic passing through Tor
Sorry, I didnt notice the other thread. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
