[tor-talk] All I Want For X-mas: TorPhone
Hello everybody, With all of the great development happening around the Tor network this holiday season, it seems fitting to ask for something that would help me out tremendously: TorPhone. We have a great back-end network, a sweet browser for most platforms [f/iOS WP], and a kick-ass portable OS, just to name a few. However, these do not necessarily meet my needs, and I presume the needs of many others, when on the road, which I am always on. I propose, and please point me in the correct direction if I am overlooking something that already exists, a bare-bones WiFi-only mobile device. Ideally it would run an open OS tied to an open organization and come with nothing installed on it except for a mobile version of TorBrowser. The best example I can think of now is a forked version of Android with Orweb/bot installed. Other applications could be installed at the discretion of the human, like F-Droid and whatnot, presuming they meet the security ethics of the network. I could take most any Android device and only use WiFi but most offerings are through a cellular service provider on a WiFi-only SIM. I could also just avoid using a cellular SIM altogether but the devices still come preloaded with all kinds of stuff that do things I don't want them to, like tracking and reporting, most of which can only be disabled, not uninstalled, at least not by me. I could also throw an Android alternative on it but in most cases that requires entering into a contract with the manufacturer regarding the now unlocked bootloader, let alone the learning curve of actually doing so. And I could get a device that comes without a locked bootloader like a Jolla running Sailfish or a OnePlus running CyanogenMod, though they are also quite tied to either a manufacturer or a provider, or both. If Android isn't the best option, what is? Knowing very little about compiling or securing software, like most people, this out of the box experience seems quite valuable. If this is a reasonable request, and if this is the right place to make such a request, I am all aboard with assisting development in anyway that I can; form development, mechanical engineering, interface, experience, packaging, whatever...I just want to see a truly usable mobile device in my hand, and the hands of others. Any thoughts? Happy Holidays! Awesome, SpencerOne -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Wikileaks II running over Tor
On 12/25/14 2:47 AM, I wrote: http://slur.io/ Something to mull I am very disappointed that the world is moving forward in organized way for: - blackmailing people with information (see CryptoWall) - blackmailing corporation with information (see SonyHack) - economic trading of information (see this slur things, that can become a pre-requisite for blackmailing) That's not the world i love. Also w.t.r. to Whistleblowing, it's a powerful tool to be used for public interests purposes with a motivation moving the whistleblower to be related to good ethical community values, not for private economic gain. Btw Happy Birthday Jesus...or like more politically-correct people like to say Happy Holidays! -- Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) HERMES - Center for Transparency and Digital Human Rights http://logioshermes.org - https://globaleaks.org - https://tor2web.org - https://ahmia.fi -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] (Slur.io) running over Tor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 There's a huge difference between I have critical information about a genocide in country, please help me get safe passage out and hey this information is worth money. Getting and publishing critical information is risky. It's perfectly reasonable to seek for a reward. Damn, even publishing information that you have certain information to publish could be risky enough. I'd prefer Snowden got paid lots of money for what he did, rather than him finding an asylum in an authoritarian state. Also, arguing that activity X is OK but doing X for money is not, is so worn-out. The most popular cases for X are of course “having sex” and “(not) sharing information”. However good or bad is anyone at X, chances are, they'd be much better at it if got paid accordingly. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUm+VQAAoJEFrbru/RghxvsuMH+wQpxFBFkVOnMi2Z+XDjiokz n+NQFzYlhlbc+RrdJTV8Q8aaZ6+cZaEMRtRsNkJZaefpUgm8WvV2QsjBtlQwb578 /8+OcYmiepEqRe31FNkj18Z0I9Xy/RsxMZaTA+L1ZEf9Aw8gB3eWMBAwWqQ1r6oI lJhB5Q99X9anyHUDf6FggQ0BOY3GiYNTW54yeemQgHkeeCTJiH+4sMm30Ss2mBA6 DAY9uPusGzX2lsrmddN21jXTVtKowGA1CVxLOnOEor0F5enwVgSBaTHurTKm1Ruf 604TJmMDZj3MUXiMS0GQ7GKOGGubXYxoBxSdIffWwWfxkLHtdPLzKZ36nLWcxNM= =yAt4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] (Slur.io) running over Tor
Part Wikileaks, part TMZ, Slur.io positions whistleblowing outside of the public interest. A marketplace where the highest bidder takes all creates an explicit profit motive. I really hope it's a joke or something. TC On 12/25/14 10:22 AM, Akater wrote: There's a huge difference between I have critical information about a genocide in country, please help me get safe passage out and hey this information is worth money. Getting and publishing critical information is risky. It's perfectly reasonable to seek for a reward. Damn, even publishing information that you have certain information to publish could be risky enough. I'd prefer Snowden got paid lots of money for what he did, rather than him finding an asylum in an authoritarian state. Also, arguing that activity X is OK but doing X for money is not, is so worn-out. The most popular cases for X are of course “having sex” and “(not) sharing information”. However good or bad is anyone at X, chances are, they'd be much better at it if got paid accordingly. -- I run encryption workshops: http://www.tommycollison.com/blog/2014/12/17/next-nyc-encryption-event-january-30-2015 I prefer to send and receive encrypted e-mail. My public-key fingerprint is 696E C53E 8535 6DE8 10C3 75D2 E7E8 E7D0 9760 4F9D. Learn more about e-mail encryption here: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org. For your safety, the American government has intercepted and stored this message for future analysis. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] (Slur.io) running over Tor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/25/2014 10:08 AM, Tommy Collison wrote: Part Wikileaks, part TMZ, Slur.io positions whistleblowing outside of the public interest. A marketplace where the highest bidder takes all creates an explicit profit motive. I really hope it's a joke or something. *** Honestly I think it's a serious matter: free market ideology at its best. That is exactly the point of rupture between anarchism and so-called anarcho-capitalism: where anarchists want to build solidarity, Austrian economists and Randians alike believe the freeride will spontaneously generate good. That's reason vs. rationalization. Complexity is not a market, and life is not something to be betting against. == hk P.S.: thank you Griffin for renaming the thread, and your very strong analysis. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUnBWrXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9YLcQAKxO52tmUqJoHlovDWYk/dFw SNOj/iwPGhg6+bDDzZiPT7UPK0prJWt/dqrva9uy7BE0YwKKsumPOqVRL/irVKUx xe3O+e+GapPb7L3tzd0P1Ks3GHe9mCnzer7YQ1lv6182OaMuPfHFLY4wd60PoDMq lTD2TljVdiqn8kgwij70sRn1niWRRdwrI/xobT5kv9Ui5lCbhYI8umgHMmB3Uru9 WRnAsH7eP7QpzsEpEjhXTDZEaTghBC4SvKnz/UoCOSy79P9P0ZRbu4cMgWS6tbib jC/BdieJTR5f9oGhYqPD63JvwyPt8p62lg8KtYU6iCZe0bSVYuM/Nw01gDbTsa3i RSF1nygoZAciRJeRzaoKgNAEkZc5tSKRT0/FrvshzZwyayyNUlnFK+VE9vETgeNp rl/RJvzY6/EnDBL2GOAeFsetFddBoeFCP2RCkXU5YgzfqHbVv0zy/VLA1l3Yr/W3 owEgCaYi2P+mquOo7hJxkUFRlYRupETkN6/rvb68fk+ec0uk/FzWbv6e5AQOcUyi vgi+AUMB0hhXZOca5Ep/7ahlEoJ3btNjSRGvPvQP3fMl7wsbEOeNcMBxWIiNstJ7 fQ/IRaGhfWBIy5lu4EKxFXameZ3bOpO3lfe9OXrX1rqgK0/Eamop+3eACix9BBvq sSZEo23M/NxYshYvj0oK =tFhP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] (Slur.io) running over Tor
I seem to remember Wikileaks or somesuch asking if people wanted to cover the cost of certain exposes in advance. They, whoever, more or less proposed the same model meaning the protection, analysis and anonymous publication would be underwritten before rather than donations be sought afterwards to keep the system afloat to ensure its sustainability. There was no mention of selling as a commodity bravely leaked information. Rob -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] (Slur.io) running over Tor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, To me it looks like a fund raising website as they ask for donation and have a fixed amount they want to reach in a month, however there is no explanation about how exactly will the system work, something like a whitepaper or protocol description from 1000 feet. It just says very few things about arbitrage and public key cryptography as well that it'll run over Tor. This _could_ be a scam, so caution. Maybe the only interest here is fund raising, and since you donate the money anonymously via bitcoin only, and you don't know who you are giving to (nothing like a legal entity or legal registered non-profit, company, individual or group of individuals) you have no control, guarantee or transparency in regarding what happens to the cash. On 12/25/2014 4:08 PM, I wrote: I seem to remember Wikileaks or somesuch asking if people wanted to cover the cost of certain exposes in advance. They, whoever, more or less proposed the same model meaning the protection, analysis and anonymous publication would be underwritten before rather than donations be sought afterwards to keep the system afloat to ensure its sustainability. There was no mention of selling as a commodity bravely leaked information. Rob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUnB6hAAoJEIN/pSyBJlsRDK8IANEEkl6Le3DAVWIzDypO7OR8 b/c9KgKDTWJKJX3t5p0/Ktyxu6AYhppiUHZEC/XfHtoeD1XdJWdYTz14PAzlFCzG k7gUo5IeoyDDidtz2b7ljaMo+isgxXSVi/Me+6c26zlNeG/oPsAvJTiFEJpKPArL DoVhOYwT8CF4CWvlXyXA3PUtCUpnfILUiza78SRl/vblBHhAUf9RWGhgkG4TsNxt mhWdijhl4/3FGezxdGwXm7cCZObEduXsRVm1isZI1zAWSKhuX8//PRUOyPPmFoh5 f6aTgwHOwHovhNI7hQGu1Cgk/l2QAlRp6zry9XWzkdKIGzaIF7wIE1gdF1lLDyk= =Q8T6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Wikileaks II running over Tor
On 12/24/2014 09:58 PM, hellekin wrote: But yeah, why not? Turning anything into a market seems to be the way to go--not. So, libertarians, prove me wrong. Please don't imply that sites like this are a libertarian thing. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] [OT] a libertarian thing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/25/2014 12:48 PM, Libertas wrote: On 12/24/2014 09:58 PM, hellekin wrote: But yeah, why not? Turning anything into a market seems to be the way to go--not. So, libertarians, prove me wrong. Please don't imply that sites like this are a libertarian thing. *** But they are. The ideology of free markets and each to their own business is exactly what libertarianism is. Isn't it? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUnDMGXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9cLsP/2/UianqTybv3CPsJl4VXE7o t0Fb+NO3eUHCu3tuvZjf8zfADCbjujiXWdz/2aGFxd93nZd72IjAkdEhDA2snWhF qNipFCulXXivpg45eztvWdHY6stqlLTyCfunJBbIeXbvho6dA7Zs2DUVc+RVCy1S mP/X+BNFrgrvuy1JGmJUHEe4ElK1qHExufMmZ4OUwYTOsFECIh7hnvzLOdkM9maD q5HzdvWnfinY0vXaag6vQdJ4a+/YCHb6SXjKTr7U7Y098bsr9f5A7WFRQvTWiCrc wXgYoi4/jXQujELpMAE99VbW0HgI+Q+l6Hi2Yz6uuPiP2QV/BpTtUIIw7HTu4NWp Hw+OWpfspcwNIICmHVXqM+Qj6zEraI92h4/u11d6TWFPV2hT7Bf4bMGIT5ObrAbs 3ytfyh2/voXkZ3WtzF88HLT6PnMIduXJK+r+zeYEC+rDvMlH3cyBRKipIvQMEspr 3iAODF6B7cmIT5jbUtOmJh5BorC9ERhpcEuSBheiEjiw/ksTqwFSOgQwIgUVTDTB gFQFzPQGZKeVga17+6iWA4+q2Fp/gkMM6OXktAf/jhZmL3eEA+R07Gk6sp5YSC+9 21XTYz5UBwl3igKvXDU5f9x6gjsRwxBC1MSsmRTVwPWNHzD39yqF2SS0J9jmStFF fqtXbFpzHhkF2sr9bUdO =99Pf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] [OT] a libertarian thing
On 12/25/2014 10:54 AM, hellekin wrote: On 12/25/2014 12:48 PM, Libertas wrote: On 12/24/2014 09:58 PM, hellekin wrote: But yeah, why not? Turning anything into a market seems to be the way to go--not. So, libertarians, prove me wrong. Please don't imply that sites like this are a libertarian thing. *** But they are. The ideology of free markets and each to their own business is exactly what libertarianism is. Isn't it? No. That's like saying that liberals support sexual freedom, so when someone publishes a child exploitation hidden service, I should send a snarky liberals, prove me wrong email. I don't want to start a political debate on this mailing list, but comments like that are vapid and inflammatory. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] [OT] a libertarian thing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/25/2014 01:50 PM, Libertas wrote: child exploitation *** WTF? Yeah, let's not start a political debate, you're arguments are way off the mark. Apples and syringes. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUnE0bXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9gjoP/iEJlkA5SrTYZl8E7zlrueGy fRdO4nkSFJImh5pJDnIXoMd6zdeqq2t8EWYEQKJsfD6JMUS7gZZsNO92eYprd5wh QgD7CgokNUGoF9Ov9hRe608YsYLEKc6CV/8m7o2xcBkcRh3FkESBoRFl78W7OiT/ 3r7kLrCENF4Oasv9YHhu+WI2VQYwvUtFA4QEVciLjgBjd05xsxWxf5D51K3i838Q 3XcvbVR9ktXUTNxCgSo6XYzr7Im7coisTYjh1DOCEdTrlBRMeMZ9S/wvycl/FVZl SIcEJsyQQqsaqD7ZQUoza69kplz5DL4tIftFdDMrmTPVF60HeLtv1tzknKVxFlt3 UCyYcy+yoWQk9xyd/jEm/5phyzHUMamyevTKt+fEhEaRe7wU4HJGwjBfMpVWJNa6 qcG+VeZSrowjWdOjdpmhdy9clH24mhy4G7PCOFJntGCi1m8IQcL79PKKYHIL0KI+ hVsX97mpA2p1IKsp3Kq+BRe/GtubS8ytuSZZFOj5voMByKrVX7Xj2J8uQi2XrZ29 0MVN1DuvOrCPUQFPauyc6aJRhzN410X8h/gdrHyFBmTNYN2/nU9m6g20xQVm4x4s guEvypztfTQSXpUpNFpHkpKS7YRZYxB2AvUgCbnZ3vB5NomrpIpzBW2CWL9LK11E u+O1pmgrj2StX9PT7BLS =b2iE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] All I Want For X-mas: TorPhone
spencer...@openmailbox.org writes: Ideally it would run an open OS tied to an open organization and come with nothing installed on it except for a mobile version of TorBrowser. The best example I can think of now is a forked version of Android with Orweb/bot installed. Other applications could be installed at the discretion of the human, like F-Droid and whatnot, presuming they meet the security ethics of the network. There might already be a tablet out there somewhere that's suitable for conversion to meet some of these suggestions (since there have been plenty of them with no GSM interface at all). One thing to investigate is whether the wifi MAC address can be changed and how persistent the changes are. I'm also wondering if some of the Tor developers could give an update on the issue about identifying people from their guard node selection as they roam from one network to another. Was that a motivation for the decision to reduce the number of guard nodes, and has that change happened yet? Does someone have an estimate of the anonymity set size if you notice that a mobile Tor user is using a particular guard node? -- Seth Schoen sch...@eff.org Senior Staff Technologist https://www.eff.org/ Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/join 815 Eddy Street, San Francisco, CA 94109 +1 415 436 9333 x107 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] [OT] a libertarian thing
Then, please, write such answers privately OFF THE LIST I don't want to start a political debate on this mailing list, but comments like that are vapid and inflammatory. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Looking to write alternative to DNS2SOCKS...
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:54:53AM +, Richard Brooks wrote: I am a software developer who has been trying to use DNS2SOCKS but haven't had much success with it communicating with the latest TOR Bundle. You might be interested in tor-resolve: https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/tree/contrib/client-tools/tor-resolve.py Cheers, Philipp -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Wikileaks II running over Tor
Thanks for pointing this out. I feel like this project is not what people are discussing it as. From what I read on their site, this seems to be tailored (albeit perhaps unintentionally) to cybercrime and doxxing. On 12/25/2014 04:35 AM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) - lists wrote: On 12/25/14 2:47 AM, I wrote: http://slur.io/ Something to mull I am very disappointed that the world is moving forward in organized way for: - blackmailing people with information (see CryptoWall) - blackmailing corporation with information (see SonyHack) - economic trading of information (see this slur things, that can become a pre-requisite for blackmailing) That's not the world i love. Also w.t.r. to Whistleblowing, it's a powerful tool to be used for public interests purposes with a motivation moving the whistleblower to be related to good ethical community values, not for private economic gain. Btw Happy Birthday Jesus...or like more politically-correct people like to say Happy Holidays! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Running a Tor node on a Rasberry Pi
I've been very interested recently with this idea of running a Tor server on one of these.A Raspberry Pi is a great little computer, and cheap as well, going for only around $40 for a Model B with a micro usb power cable and a micro sd card.With its low power draw and size, it has great potential for an unobtrusive Tor server you can simply keep in a cabinet or a small dyi case.I would love to be able to use it to run a Tor relay or exit node. However, I'm not as able with compiling and scripting as many of you, so I cannot easily do this. I would like to be able to have a distribution that could run on one of these RPi's. That would entail a very low usage of resources and compatible with an ARM processor.It wouldn't need any services or processes such as web browsing or even a GUI (but it would be handy for debugging).SSH would be wonderful so one could control it from their desktop (or even phone!)I would simply like to be able to image the distro onto a micro sd card, plug it into the RPi, and boot it.And, without any further user action, the RPi would start the Tor node. Now I understand there is already some packages already that do some of these. Tor-ramdisk (http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk) is a nice little Tor server that live-boots into RAM. However, I believe it requires some user interaction to set up on boot.Also, there aren't any versions that work with ARM processor architecture. I've emailed the creator and talked with him about porting it to ARM and I believe he is working on it. I recently just heard about the Cipollini project (https://github.com/gordon-morehouse/cipollini).This build seems to be more of what I'm looking for, but I haven't exactly figured out how to use it.Its also currently in the pre-alpha stages. Can anyone give me any help/tips/comments/feedback on resources or ideas or such?I would greatly appreciate it. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] All I Want For X-mas: TorPhone
Petition the blackphone people for this. If they are willing to fund it certainly possible to get it done. -V On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 2:47 AM, spencer...@openmailbox.org wrote: Hello everybody, With all of the great development happening around the Tor network this holiday season, it seems fitting to ask for something that would help me out tremendously: TorPhone. We have a great back-end network, a sweet browser for most platforms [f/iOS WP], and a kick-ass portable OS, just to name a few. However, these do not necessarily meet my needs, and I presume the needs of many others, when on the road, which I am always on. I propose, and please point me in the correct direction if I am overlooking something that already exists, a bare-bones WiFi-only mobile device. Ideally it would run an open OS tied to an open organization and come with nothing installed on it except for a mobile version of TorBrowser. The best example I can think of now is a forked version of Android with Orweb/bot installed. Other applications could be installed at the discretion of the human, like F-Droid and whatnot, presuming they meet the security ethics of the network. I could take most any Android device and only use WiFi but most offerings are through a cellular service provider on a WiFi-only SIM. I could also just avoid using a cellular SIM altogether but the devices still come preloaded with all kinds of stuff that do things I don't want them to, like tracking and reporting, most of which can only be disabled, not uninstalled, at least not by me. I could also throw an Android alternative on it but in most cases that requires entering into a contract with the manufacturer regarding the now unlocked bootloader, let alone the learning curve of actually doing so. And I could get a device that comes without a locked bootloader like a Jolla running Sailfish or a OnePlus running CyanogenMod, though they are also quite tied to either a manufacturer or a provider, or both. If Android isn't the best option, what is? Knowing very little about compiling or securing software, like most people, this out of the box experience seems quite valuable. If this is a reasonable request, and if this is the right place to make such a request, I am all aboard with assisting development in anyway that I can; form development, mechanical engineering, interface, experience, packaging, whatever...I just want to see a truly usable mobile device in my hand, and the hands of others. Any thoughts? Happy Holidays! Awesome, SpencerOne -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
