[tor-talk] Jacob Appelbaum Banned From Chaos Computer Club Following Sexual Assault Allegations

[ja . talk]

http://gizmodo.com/jacob-appelbaum-banned-from-prominent-hacker-conference-1782164249

Jacob Appelbaum Banned From Prominent Hacker Conference Following Sexual 
Assault Allegations

William Turton

Jacob Appelbaum has been banned from Chaos Computer Club events following 
numerous allegations that he sexually assaulted women and acted inappropriately 
at hacker events. Appelbaum regularly spoke at CCC events like Chaos 
Communication Congress and Chaos Communication Camp.

CCC Updates @chaosupdates
Yes, of course this means Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror is not welcome. 
http://grin.to/ICZC1 - 17 Jun 2016

Applebaum stepped down from his development role at the Tor project, which 
builds anonymity software, following internal complaints of alleged sexual 
assault. Last year, Appelbaum presented “The State of the Onion,” an annual 
update on The Tor Project, at Chaos Communication Congress. Other prominent 
figures in the digital privacy community have given talks at CCC, like Pulitzer 
Prize winning journalist and author of the Snowden disclosures Glenn Greenwald. 

Since he stepped down from the Tor Project, more women have come forward to 
accuse Appelbaum of sexual misconduct. In a statement last week, Appelbaum 
denied the allegations, saying that “a calculated and targeted attack has been 
launched to spread vicious and spurious allegations against me.” Appelbaum also 
said that “the accusations of criminal sexual misconduct against me are 
entirely false.”

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Re: [tor-talk] But it’s already too late for many others. *Appelbaum*

[Александр]

In the last few days i saw another hOOrible "evidences"=slander... and now
this one That's already boring. Really. Even the members of credulous
witch hunters club are already being bored with this shit. You should try
harder ja.talk and savages alike.

The peak of the smear campaign against Appelbaum is over. Now the scums are
trying to reanimate it through "new evidences" or through "new
rejections/betrayals" of Appelbaums friends...or...

As Cecilia Tanaka already said - this shit transformed from BLATANT lies
into something really childish and boring.
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Re: [tor-talk] Fw: FOAD argentina scum

[Zenaan Harkness]

Hey hey, you've hit the big time! Amazing that anyone could even begin to
think that such eloquent discourse with yourself would have any outcome
approximating their own idea of "utility".

Epitomes of self parodying irony come to mind ...  gee, dunno why :D

 Methinks a button pushed doth fire,
 the evil oppositional ire;
 In rage foreseeing community will,
 about to rise against their ill.

 "Let no man stand with another!" he shout,
 freedom's fire, desperately to stomp out.
 But in vain they burn, their evil turn,
 plain to see for all who yearn :)

 anon.



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52:53PM -0300, juan wrote:
> Just got this from some upstanding member of this fine 'community'.
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:32:34 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Nomen Nescio 
> To: juan@gmail.com
> Subject: FOAD argentina scum
> 
> 
> Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous 
> overlay nets
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Re: [tor-talk] "But he does good work." *Appelbaum*

[Александр]

In the last few days i saw another hOOrible "evidences"=slander... and now
this one That's already boring. Really. Even the members of credulous
witch hunters club are already being bored with this shit. You should try
harder ja.talk and savages alike.

The peak of the smear campaign against Appelbaum is over. Now the scums are
trying to reanimate it through "new evidences" or through "new
rejections/betrayals" of Appelbaums friends...or...

As Cecillia already said - this shit transformed from BLATANT lies into
something really childish and boring.
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[tor-talk] Fw: FOAD argentina scum

[juan]

Just got this from some upstanding member of this fine 'community'.


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:32:34 +0200 (CEST)
From: Nomen Nescio 
To: juan@gmail.com
Subject: FOAD argentina scum


Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous 
overlay nets


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Re: [tor-talk] Food for thought

[Yui Hirasawa]

> -) What is not criminal can still be harmful, disrespectful, humiliating or
> violating consent, just as what is criminal can still be ethical or
> consensual. Innocent until found guilty misses the mark in this context.

"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't have to apply only to courts. We
as a community can also make judgements based on evidence instead of
juts hearsay.

> -) If we were living in a community/society of fulfilled people, who feel
> accepted, approved of and loved by their peers, there would be no such
> thing as abuse or harassment. But we don't. (Yet?) How do we deal with
> this discrepancy in a constructive way?

What makes you believe that there wouldn't be abuse and harassment in
such a community/society? Do you think that all of this is caused solely
by the environment?
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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:20:16PM +0200, Aymeric Vitte wrote:
> Le 17/06/2016 à 12:51, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
> >> Even if an interesting move as you described (ie onions + onioncat) I
> >> > don't really think that it can scale to the extent required by a bt p2p
> >> > network, I don't think either that using hidden services is a good
> >> > solution to reach peers, and is it not an issue to have potentially
> >> > plenty of new nodes (peers) relaying the Tor traffic and decreasing the
> >> > efficiency of the Tor circuits due to their upload bandwidth?
> > Those are not grarpamp's point - as load increases toi the point where the
> > network has some actual "problem", this will motivate various people to do
> > those things required to actually improve the network.
> 
> That's what I am saying, move bt to anonymous, more traffic, increasing
> nodes, this will never happen with the Tor network

Why not?
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Re: [tor-talk] Exit nodes generating HTTPS traffic to HTTP ports

[krishna e bera]

On 06/17/2016 03:39 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Is there a constellation of bugs which recently conspired in such a
> way that a web server might receive a flood of HTTPS requests on port
> 80/TCP instead of 443/TCP?

It is only a convention (common practice) that HTTPS listens on port
443.  A webserver with SSL can be configured to listen on any port, such
as 80.  Some sites do this on purpose because 443 is blocked by some
clients' outgoing firewalls.

>
> I've seen a report about an alleged DoS attack from originating from
> exit nodes, and I'm wondering if a bug and sudden interest from Tor in
> that website could explain the anomaly.

Don't know anything about that.



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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets

[juan]

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:20:16 +0200
Aymeric Vitte  wrote:

> 
> 
> Le 17/06/2016 à 12:51, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
> >> Even if an interesting move as you described (ie onions +
> >> onioncat) I
> >> > don't really think that it can scale to the extent required by a
> >> > bt p2p network, I don't think either that using hidden services
> >> > is a good solution to reach peers, and is it not an issue to
> >> > have potentially plenty of new nodes (peers) relaying the Tor
> >> > traffic and decreasing the efficiency of the Tor circuits due to
> >> > their upload bandwidth?
> > Those are not grarpamp's point - as load increases toi the point
> > where the network has some actual "problem", this will motivate
> > various people to do those things required to actually improve the
> > network.
> 
> That's what I am saying, move bt to anonymous, more traffic,
> increasing nodes, this will never happen with the Tor network


I didn't pay attention to the allegdly 'technical' details but
the bottom line is that the tor mafia is not interested in
having more traffic and helping honest people fight against the
copyright cunts. 

Which is hardly surprising. The tor project isn't interested in
doing anything that could even slightly threaten the americunt
establishment. Granted it would be rather absurd for a US
military 'spinoff' to do that. 














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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets

[Aymeric Vitte]

Le 17/06/2016 à 12:51, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
>> Even if an interesting move as you described (ie onions + onioncat) I
>> > don't really think that it can scale to the extent required by a bt p2p
>> > network, I don't think either that using hidden services is a good
>> > solution to reach peers, and is it not an issue to have potentially
>> > plenty of new nodes (peers) relaying the Tor traffic and decreasing the
>> > efficiency of the Tor circuits due to their upload bandwidth?
> Those are not grarpamp's point - as load increases toi the point where the
> network has some actual "problem", this will motivate various people to do
> those things required to actually improve the network.

That's what I am saying, move bt to anonymous, more traffic, increasing
nodes, this will never happen with the Tor network

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[tor-talk] Exit nodes generating HTTPS traffic to HTTP ports

[Florian Weimer]

Is there a constellation of bugs which recently conspired in such a
way that a web server might receive a flood of HTTPS requests on port
80/TCP instead of 443/TCP?

I've seen a report about an alleged DoS attack from originating from
exit nodes, and I'm wondering if a bug and sudden interest from Tor in
that website could explain the anomaly.
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Re: [tor-talk] (no subject)

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Jun 17, 2016 2:04 PM, "Ryan Carboni"  wrote:
>
> https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/743498759892406272

Meh, too childish...  It's becoming pretty boring!  :-/

Maybe a man can't see it, but even the most stupid woman in the world can
notice an evident *lie* in the last statment published.

The obvious efforts trying to adjust the accusations to being more
realistic and plausible, giving also more colours and emotions, are pretty
interesting.  I like it!  ;)

I didn't stop to search for some trustworthy information and for more
references in last days.

A programmer (woman) told me some 'juicy gossip' about one of alleged
victims, but it would be pretty disgusting to tell it here.  Ugh!  :-/

Well, in thesis, one of alleged victims is being hypocrite and hates
Jacob.  It was obvious since the first message, but some of the reasons
were unexpected for me, at least.  I need to search more information about
it and verify if it is really true before invite her to write a statment or
tell more about it in a trial.

Another tech woman, a brutally sincere friend who I love a lot and consider
one of the most intelligent persons that I know, perceived the lie that I
mentioned before I point it to her.  It simply does not make sense...  :-/

I always says my friend is a 'feminazi' who hates all the men and she knows
about it and says even worse things about me, hahaha!!  She is really
bitter sometimes, but pretty realistic and I do love extremely sincere
friends, haha!!  ;D

Well, she knows in person Jake, Isis and a lot of people mentioned and
doesn't like anyone.  None of them, I swear.  :P

Told me some stories about egocentrism, injured pride, politics, money,
etc, and asked me to avoid this kind of f*cking harmful crazy people
because I am too stupid to protect myself, haha!!  It makes sense, but now
I am curious about the truth, haha!!  ;D

She asked me to avoid meetings with one of alleged victims at any cost,
because "she is a f*cking sick jealous crazy b*tch", able of killing me and
tell lies about self-defense or psychotical breaks and lapses of memory in
public.  My friend is a bit neurotic, but is a good woman and is just
worried about me, hihi...  ;)

Just in case, the world is really small and I will contact one of the
ex-partners of this alleged victim in special.  I don't know him, but I
would like to know if she likes scandals, lies, breaking objects, this kind
of crazy stupid actions...  She has an ego much bigger than usual and I
know that Jake has the same problem, ugh!  :P

Warm hugs and tender kisses!!!  Ah, thank you everybody!!!  I received some
lovely messages about helping homeless people and two donations, yay!!!  ;D

(No Tor t-shirts, but some hot blankets!  <3 )
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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:41:51PM +0200, Aymeric Vitte wrote:
> Le 17/06/2016 à 06:55, grarpamp a écrit :
> > On 6/10/16, Mirimir  wrote:
> >> But there's still the traffic load. Or maybe, one could consider it as
> >> chaff. Just sort of, though. Right?
> > If that's the old "OMG, too much" argument... load re anon overlay nets
> > may be more like bitcoin's interrelated variables... difficulty, txfees, 
> > reward,
> > watts, price, txrate, etc... they'll slide nicely around to compensate until
> > some unsolveable fundamental limit is reached. ie:
> > Private (non-exit/I2P) use of these nets... if they slow, users will start
> > talking urging more nodes, which they'll readily deploy themselves since
> > private is low risk and satiates their use case. If the required node count
> > to support n-million users starts blowing up CPU/RAM, devs will
> > start getting poked to work on layering that. Even parallel nets
> > with usage charters may arise by then as a given networks adversary
> > resistance begets users begets trust begets honoring narrower charter.
> > Besides, load happens to useful nets, no point trying to stave it off
> > (nets are anon so staving is a no anyway), and trying to stave makes
> > the stavers look stupid.
> > A little education helps too, users will self regulate if they sense that,
> > "Oh shit, I know this net is used for , but I can't
> > even get my own  through, so I better ease up on variable ".
> 
> Even if an interesting move as you described (ie onions + onioncat) I
> don't really think that it can scale to the extent required by a bt p2p
> network, I don't think either that using hidden services is a good
> solution to reach peers, and is it not an issue to have potentially
> plenty of new nodes (peers) relaying the Tor traffic and decreasing the
> efficiency of the Tor circuits due to their upload bandwidth?

Those are not grarpamp's point - as load increases toi the point where the
network has some actual "problem", this will motivate various people to do
those things required to actually improve the network.

The fed guys might be pissed because their little spy comms network has a
problem, but soon enough, those problems will get solved, be sure of that
:)

Now, I would personally advise against something which would be known to
stress the network to the point of failure, e.g. changing a very popular
torrent software default config on the latest auto update to default to
Tor or I2P only.

But, I certainly do subscribe to grarpamp's position that bringing
at least a littl real pressure is bound to have some medium term
positive effects. These seems to me like logic 1-0-1!
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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets

[Aymeric Vitte]

Le 17/06/2016 à 06:55, grarpamp a écrit :
> On 6/10/16, Mirimir  wrote:
>> But there's still the traffic load. Or maybe, one could consider it as
>> chaff. Just sort of, though. Right?
> If that's the old "OMG, too much" argument... load re anon overlay nets
> may be more like bitcoin's interrelated variables... difficulty, txfees, 
> reward,
> watts, price, txrate, etc... they'll slide nicely around to compensate until
> some unsolveable fundamental limit is reached. ie:
> Private (non-exit/I2P) use of these nets... if they slow, users will start
> talking urging more nodes, which they'll readily deploy themselves since
> private is low risk and satiates their use case. If the required node count
> to support n-million users starts blowing up CPU/RAM, devs will
> start getting poked to work on layering that. Even parallel nets
> with usage charters may arise by then as a given networks adversary
> resistance begets users begets trust begets honoring narrower charter.
> Besides, load happens to useful nets, no point trying to stave it off
> (nets are anon so staving is a no anyway), and trying to stave makes
> the stavers look stupid.
> A little education helps too, users will self regulate if they sense that,
> "Oh shit, I know this net is used for , but I can't
> even get my own  through, so I better ease up on variable ".

Even if an interesting move as you described (ie onions + onioncat) I
don't really think that it can scale to the extent required by a bt p2p
network, I don't think either that using hidden services is a good
solution to reach peers, and is it not an issue to have potentially
plenty of new nodes (peers) relaying the Tor traffic and decreasing the
efficiency of the Tor circuits due to their upload bandwidth?

>
> Is it chaff, and good as to filling otherwise quiet parts of the net?
> Perhaps. But as in other GPA threads, I think fill traffic may need
> to be actively managed to defeat that, rather than just flooded.

I don't know, I gave some other thoughts, let's take bitcoin that you
quoted, as far as I know it does not have any built-in features to
defeat correlation/tracking but apparently inherently defeats it

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Re: [tor-talk] Food for thought

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:05:23PM -, foodforthou...@sigaint.org wrote:
> Things are never black and white, there are always two sides of a story
> and people are never only good or bad.
> 
> But was it really our first and foremost concern to find out the "truth"?
> Is the lesson to be learned, if you will, about who is to blame? About
> shaming the victims or shaming the alleged perpetrator? About whether or
> not the "accused" will be found "guilty"? Is an "evidence-based
> discussion" or "due process" really going to solve the greater issue here?
> 
> In a community that claims to strive for equality, accusations against one
> person raise much broader questions and issues, like:
> 
> -) How much leadership/charisma/hero-worshiping can be healthy for a
> community of self-empowered people?
> 
> -) What is not criminal can still be harmful, disrespectful, humiliating or
> violating consent, just as what is criminal can still be ethical or
> consensual. Innocent until found guilty misses the mark in this context.
> 
> -) If we were living in a community/society of fulfilled people, who feel
> accepted, approved of and loved by their peers, there would be no such
> thing as abuse or harassment. But we don't. (Yet?) How do we deal with
> this discrepancy in a constructive way?

Beautiful!

> -) If someone voices concerns about a certain individual, how do we open
> lines of communication before too many get harmed? How do we treat both
> parties involved respectfully?
> 
> -) Even when a person, from the bottom of their heart, talks about
> sex-positivism, respect for others, transparency and equality, it does not
> mean that they can live up to their own expectations. Their own disability
> to do so may make them even more enthusiastic talking about it.
> 
> -) We are all humans, we are fallible, we are flawed, we cause harm in
> others. The question is, do we create an environment where failure is
> recognized, do we surround ourselves with friends who will tell us we
> failed? Will they express concern, when self-reflection and self-criticism
> have failed us? Will people speak up even to the one person considered a
> role model? Or do we kick issues into the long grass and surround
> ourselves with yes-men?
> This ties in with the first question.

Great questions. Thanks for being so constructive!
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