Re: [tor-talk] Neal Krawetz's abcission proposal, and Tor's reputation

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Jon Tullett  wrote:
> http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/773-Tor-and-the-Perfect-Storm.html

Oh ye with fervent glee does their hand yet raise to censor others,
woes their hand be lopped for stew when censor come back round to them.

They appear to have little clue on some of the philosopical origins
and need for tools like Tor / I2P / etc.

If you want to be censored nannied persecuted prosecuted taxed
regulated permissioned ruled by majority mobs spied collected
databased datamined sold chilled oppressed moderated silenced
enslaved etc, and perform the same upon others, continue living
life on clearnet as usual.

Nor they understand fork... Say tor never been influenced by twisted
schemes as some say BTC has been... any implementation of this
proposal would be instantly met and mooted by a preservation and
development fork... just like BCC.  Furthermore, first generation
tools are often found weak / feature lacking, leading to a market
in improved generations...
https://coinmarketcap.com/
ie: Zcash and Zensystem for better privacy / security / anonymity
/ untraceability, and many others for many other features, models
and approaches.

The anonymity, anti censorship, anti analysis, etc capabilities of
todays overlay networks actually needs to be improved, not removed.
It's about time we see a next generation.

Yet their own censorious implementation is welcome though, along
with all other nextgens that want to enter the market. We'll see
which tools win.

(technote: Longterm online static onions are more easily findable,
see the whitepapers, such that some onion services are now actually
roving.)
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Re: [tor-talk] Tor users in US up by nearly 100,000 this month

[Seth David Schoen]

Roger Dingledine writes:

> Asking Cloudflare how many people are deciding to solve their captchas
> today is measuring a different thing -- if I try to load a news article,
> see a cloudflare captcha, and say "aw, fuck cloudflare, oh well" and
> move on, am I a bot?

I'm just figuring that you can get useful relative rather than absolute
metrics if you assume that people's tendency to do this is relatively
stable across time and across user populations.  So you don't know how
many of the non-solvers are bots, but you can say that the solvers are
up 10% this month or something, which perhaps then suggests that non-bot
Tor users are up about 10% this month.

This still wouldn't reveal whether 60% or 95% of the non-solvers are
bots.

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