Thanks Georg.  Thanks for pointing out the noscript-control.js file.  The path in TBB would be easier.  I'm not sure about no worries.
No worries, Tor Browser does not trust those sites. I think your
confusion above stems for a misunderstanding: we use NoScript for a very
specific purpose, which is for helping us with our Security Slider,
So with NoScript quantum (10.x) in TBB, users that don't want basically everything allowed, will have to put Torbutton slider on Safest, then pick & choose which 1st or 3rd parties they'll allow, and whether it will be temporary or permanent (Trusted).

The NoScript UI is deceiving.  If only the torbutton slider is moved to Standard or Safest, after pages load, the NS UI looks exactly the same,  That is, it shows nothing, either mode.

If TBB / NS is allowing all domains and trackers to load in Torbutton Standard (or however many and which), it should show which 1st or 3rd parties have been allowed in the NS menu.

Now, there's no indication that every domain has been allowed.  If they've been allowed (manually *or automatically*), they should show a check mark. If they've been blocked, it should show that as well.  As is, the NoScript UI isn't that useful.



On 12/20/18 2:40 AM, Georg Koppen wrote:
Joe:
Many of these settings aren't brand new (some are fairly new), but I'm
not sure how some of these settings are actually used in NoScript.
If they are used "as is," or if settings in one file (say, defaults.js)
interacts w/ or is overridden by other NS files.  Has anyone seen
official explanations how these sites shown as default or trusted
actually work in TBB?

All of these are from TBB 8.4, noscript 10.2.
To see the files / settings, you have to copy or extract the noscript
.xpi file to a different location (has an alpha-numeric name:
{73a6fe31-595d-460b-a920-fcc0f8843232}.xpi, from
profile.default/browser-extension-data.

These are from the NS /legacy/defaults.js file:

"mandatory": "[System+Principal] about:about:addons  about:blocked
about:certerror  about:config  about:crashes  about:feeds  about:home
about:memory  about:neterror  about:plugins  about:preferences
about:privatebrowsing  about:sessionrestore  about:srcdoc  about:support
about:tabcrashed  blob: chrome: mediasource: moz-extension:
moz-safe-about: resource:",
  "default":"about:blank about:pocket-saved about:pocket-signup addons.mozilla.org afx.ms ajax.aspnetcdn.com ajax.googleapis.com bootstrapcdn.com code.jquery.com firstdata.com firstdata.lv gfx.ms google.com googlevideo.com gstatic.com hotmail.com live.com live.net maps.googleapis.com mozilla.net netflix.com nflxext.com nflximg.com nflxvideo.net noscript.net outlook.com passport.com passport.net passportimages.com paypal.com paypalobjects.com securecode.com securesuite.net sfx.ms tinymce.cachefly.net wlxrs.com yahoo.com yahooapis.com yimg.com youtube.com ytimg.com",

Note sites like google.com, googlevideo.com, hotmail.com,
maps.googleapis.com, paypal, yahoo & yahooapis.com and many others.
Are the legacy/default.js sites applied "as is" in TBB?  Where is that
explained?

If they're allowed as shown, for example, I wouldn't want anything for
yahoo & their horrible security record, always enabled by default.

The following are from the noscript /common/Policy.js file. I only
scratched the surface:

  function defaultOptions() {
     return {
       sites:{
         trusted: `addons.mozilla.org
           afx.ms ajax.aspnetcdn.com
           ajax.googleapis.com bootstrapcdn.com
           code.jquery.com firstdata.com firstdata.lv gfx.ms
           google.com googlevideo.com gstatic.com
           hotmail.com live.com live.net
           maps.googleapis.com mozilla.net
           netflix.com nflxext.com nflximg.com nflxvideo.net
           noscript.net
           outlook.com passport.com passport.net passportimages.com
           paypal.com paypalobjects.com
           securecode.com securesuite.net sfx.ms tinymce.cachefly.net
           wlxrs.com
           yahoo.com yahooapis.com
           yimg.com youtube.com
ytimg.com`.split(/\s+/).map(Sites.secureDomainKey),
         untrusted: [],
         custom: {},
       },
       DEFAULT: new Permissions(["frame", "fetch", "other"]),
       TRUSTED: new Permissions(Permissions.ALL),
       UNTRUSTED: new Permissions(),
       enforced: true,
       autoAllowTop: false,
     };
   }
Again, are these used "as is," or is there a reason they're shown here
as (always) trusted?
Many users wouldn't want some of them Trusted by default - maybe never.
No worries, Tor Browser does not trust those sites. I think your
confusion above stems for a misunderstanding: we use NoScript for a very
specific purpose, which is for helping us with our Security Slider,
while its default use in any other browser, say Firefox, is a quite
different one (giving you protections against scripts running etc.).

So, with that in mind looking at the NoScript source alone for
interfering what it does in Tor Browser is not sufficient. You need at
least to look at our code controlling NoScript as well.[1]

Note also - Policy.js shows the Default tab permissions are only
supposed to be: "frame, fetch & other."
Everytime I start TBB, *ALL permissions* are enabled again under Default
tab, not just the 3 shown.  NoScript 10 in Firefox saves custom settings
& only has the 3 permissions enabled under Default tab.
Re: the permissions, yes, that's again because NoScript serves a
distinct purpose in Tor Browser (which is different from its default
usage in other browsers).

This was reported right after NS 10 landed in TBB & still not fixed.
Like users aren't supposed to touch them. NoScript saving settings
between sessions - if users choose - should be fairly simple.  Most apps
outside of TBB allow it.
In TBB 8.0 - 8.4, backing up NS settings after changes still doesn't
work, but works OK in Firefox.
That's fixed in our alpha releases, provided you flip a preference.[2]
We plan to backport that fix, probably to the next stable, but won't
make it easier to mess with NoScript's settings as the risk to shoot
oneself in the foot by tweaking/"tuning" NoScript is pretty high.

Georg

[1]
https://gitweb.torproject.org/torbutton.git/tree/src/modules/noscript-control.js
[2]https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/27175



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