Re: [tor-talk] Idea for a stand-alone browser based on Tor browser source code
On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 12:12:55PM -0700, joel04g_t5...@secmail.pro wrote: > Tor browser has good defense against many tracking techniques, however, > internet users may want a way to browse the web without anonymity but with > some of the great features Tor browser provides. (Security Level, > Noscript, Isolate trackers, Anti Fingerprinting, etc) > > Some reasons users may want a browser like this include: > > ~Accessing websites that don't like Tor users > > ~Streaming without latency > > ~Doing online banking (Tor could create suspicion of a possible hack > attempt and block or hassle users) > > ~An easy and hassle free browser for users who really don't like latency > or with bad internet > > I believe a stand-alone browser with onion routing removed but based on > the same code Tor browser uses could be useful to many internet users. I'd > love to hear everyone's thoughts on this! While this may be useful for some people, The Tor Project has no plans for providing such a browser. All of the above reasons for using Tor Browser without Tor are real usability issues we need to address and resolve. This includes trade-offs between privacy and performance. The simple fact is that if you want to use a browser that provides the privacy and security protections of Tor Browser, then you need to use Tor Browser. You can't use Tor Browser without Tor and get sufficient privacy protections. Network-level security is the most important attribute of Tor Browser. Without tor, you are trackable by your IP address, cache isolation won't save you. Tor Browser without Tor is just...Browser (basically Firefox in private browsing mode). If that is really want you want, then I suggest you look at ghacks-user.js [0] for modifying a Firefox installation. The maintainers are excellent. Jeremy's pointer to SecBrowser seems like an option, too (but make sure you understand what you're getting before you trust it). [0] https://github.com/ghacksuserjs/ghacks-user.js/ -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Idea for a stand-alone browser based on Tor browser source code
joel04g_t5...@secmail.pro: > Tor browser has good defense against many tracking techniques, however, > internet users may want a way to browse the web without anonymity but with > some of the great features Tor browser provides. (Security Level, > Noscript, Isolate trackers, Anti Fingerprinting, etc) > > Some reasons users may want a browser like this include: > > ~Accessing websites that don't like Tor users > > ~Streaming without latency > > ~Doing online banking (Tor could create suspicion of a possible hack > attempt and block or hassle users) > > ~An easy and hassle free browser for users who really don't like latency > or with bad internet > > I believe a stand-alone browser with onion routing removed but based on > the same code Tor browser uses could be useful to many internet users. I'd > love to hear everyone's thoughts on this! My understanding is that this already exists; it's called SecBrowser and it's part of Kicksecure. Based on briefly glancing at the source code, I *think* it's basically a clever wrapper script that uses a bunch of environment variables to customize the official Tor Browser binaries' behavior. More info here: http://www.dds6qkxpwdeubwucdiaord2xgbbeyds25rbsgr73tbfpqpt4a6vjwsyd.onion/wiki/SecBrowser The usual warnings about "this isn't endorsed by The Tor Project" apply. Cheers, -- -Jeremy Rand Lead Application Engineer at Namecoin Mobile email: jeremyrandmob...@airmail.cc Mobile OpenPGP: 2158 0643 C13B B40F B0FD 5854 B007 A32D AB44 3D9C Send non-security-critical things to my Mobile with OpenPGP. Please don't send me unencrypted messages. My business email jer...@veclabs.net is having technical issues at the moment. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Idea for a stand-alone browser based on Tor browser source code
both (FF,Brave) are by default installation not designed for real privacy protection e.g: looking at TB design , there are tons of work done to turn FF fork to what you have now: https://2019.www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser/design/#Implementation Brave just worst than even FF vanilla e.g: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/facebook-twitter-trackers-whitelisted-by-brave-browser/ https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/pull/657#issuecomment-463314974 So to have a TB without Tor focusing on just security and clearnet privacy (without anonymity) from the first run by default its great idea. Jason Evans: On 7/7/20 9:12 PM, joel04g_t5...@secmail.pro wrote: Tor browser has good defense against many tracking techniques, however, internet users may want a way to browse the web without anonymity but with some of the great features Tor browser provides. (Security Level, Noscript, Isolate trackers, Anti Fingerprinting, etc) First of all, why not use Brave or Firefox for your non-Tor required needs? Secondly, you can turn off Tor in Tor Browser. See here: https://tor.stackexchange.com/questions/10367/how-to-dissconnect-tor-browser-from-the-tor-network JE -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Idea for a stand-alone browser based on Tor browser source code
On 7/7/20 9:12 PM, joel04g_t5...@secmail.pro wrote: > Tor browser has good defense against many tracking techniques, however, > internet users may want a way to browse the web without anonymity but with > some of the great features Tor browser provides. (Security Level, > Noscript, Isolate trackers, Anti Fingerprinting, etc) > First of all, why not use Brave or Firefox for your non-Tor required needs? Secondly, you can turn off Tor in Tor Browser. See here: https://tor.stackexchange.com/questions/10367/how-to-dissconnect-tor-browser-from-the-tor-network JE -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Idea for a stand-alone browser based on Tor browser source code
Tor browser has good defense against many tracking techniques, however, internet users may want a way to browse the web without anonymity but with some of the great features Tor browser provides. (Security Level, Noscript, Isolate trackers, Anti Fingerprinting, etc) Some reasons users may want a browser like this include: ~Accessing websites that don't like Tor users ~Streaming without latency ~Doing online banking (Tor could create suspicion of a possible hack attempt and block or hassle users) ~An easy and hassle free browser for users who really don't like latency or with bad internet I believe a stand-alone browser with onion routing removed but based on the same code Tor browser uses could be useful to many internet users. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
