Re: [tor-talk] Information known by a cellular network provider while using and not using internet
Hi Joe, Yes, I have heard about using pgp and email client for securing communication via email. I am just concerned about what the network provider can know about me, not companies such as google, phone manufacturer etc. More importantly, I want to confirm that if I am using a VPN then surely the network provider cannot know more than VPN's IP address, bandwidth consumption and perhaps location via GPS through the internet service provided by them. (correct me if I am wrong) Thanks. On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:11:43 -0700 Joe wrote On 5/10/19 12:46 AM, npdflr wrote: > I am using the term static content for details that don't change often and > dynamic content for details that change often. > > The content in bold is which I am not sure whether it is known by the network > provider. Bold or other formatting may not show up if tor-talk server only sends plain text copies of messages to subscribers; or if subscribers choose to get plain text messages. Thunderbird & Mozilla apps interpret special characters to add simple formatting in plain text messages. *bold*, _underline_, /italics/. I don't know if non-Mozilla apps recognize these tags. They may not see any formatting. > 1) While I am not using the internet: AFAIK, regardless of internet connection, your personal mobile provider knows much of your phone's device ID data, your geo location (if GPS "geo-location" is enabled in settings), who you call / text (or who calls you), probably content of texts (at least scan / log them) - like most email providers do. Three letter agency(ies) could also get a lot of the same data. You gave the provider all that identifying data anyway - or they get it - when their sim card is in your phone, if it's turned on. If emailing, the only way to avoid snooping - by someone or agency or nation state, is if both parties using strong, end to end encryption. Starting & ending on each party's device - if they haven't been infected. -- tor-talk mailing list - mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Information known by a cellular network provider while using and not using internet
On 5/10/19 12:46 AM, npdflr wrote: I am using the term static content for details that don't change often and dynamic content for details that change often. The content in bold is which I am not sure whether it is known by the network provider. Bold or other formatting may not show up if tor-talk server only sends plain text copies of messages to subscribers; or if subscribers choose to get plain text messages. Thunderbird & Mozilla apps interpret special characters to add simple formatting in plain text messages. *bold*, _underline_, /italics/. I don't know if non-Mozilla apps recognize these tags. They may not see any formatting. 1) While I am not using the internet: AFAIK, regardless of internet connection, your personal mobile provider knows much of your phone's device ID data, your geo location (if GPS "geo-location" is enabled in settings), who you call / text (or who calls you), probably content of texts (at least scan / log them) - like most email providers do. Three letter agency(ies) could also get a lot of the same data. You gave the provider all that identifying data anyway - or they get it - when their sim card is in your phone, if it's turned on. If emailing, the only way to avoid snooping - by someone or agency or nation state, is if both parties using strong, end to end encryption. Starting & ending on each party's device - if they haven't been infected. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Information known by a cellular network provider while using and not using internet
I am using the term static content for details that don't change often and dynamic content for details that change often. The content in bold is which I am not sure whether it is known by the network provider. 1) While I am not using the internet: The network provider would know Non-internet based static content such as: personal information including address, occupation, proof of identity, etc (if given/required during purchase) sensitive personal information including as bank account details, etc, device details such as IMEI number?, Serial number?, operating system?, type of device (smartphone, tablet etc.)?, MAC address of the device? etc. [Note: I am not sure whether content such as IMEI number, operating system, type of device (smartphone, tablet etc.), MAC address of the device would come under non-internet based content or internet-based content] The network provider would know Non-internet based dynamic content such as network-based location (which cell towers I use), call detail records (who you called and when), text message details (who you texted and when), text message content, payment history, etc. 2) While I am using the internet: The network provider would know Internet-based dynamic content such as IP address, bandwidth consumption, location via GPS (if GPS is turned on), browsing content and history (including the date, time and duration of the internet session)?, the apps running on the device?, data sent and received by the apps?. Some information I got from elsewhere (though I am not sure) is that apps created using technologies/terms such as JSON, TNA and SDK would receive/send data while using the internet. (JSON = JavaScript Object Notation, SDK = Software Development Kit, TNA = Truly Native Apps) 3) While I am using the internet via a VPN: The network provider would know Internet-based dynamic content such as the VPN's IP address, bandwidth consumption, location via GPS?. Note: One can replace "would know" by "may know" as per your trust on the network provider or the network provider's terms/privacy policy. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
