Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-12 Thread Andreas Krey 
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:06:07 +, grarpamp wrote:
...
> Fiber / copper / WiFi, shovels / ladders,

C'mon. Nobody is sufficiently interested to dig up 5 miles
through the woods to connect to the next village on free
time and own funds, esp. when there is exactly nothing
that can actually be reached (that isn't available via
the same ISP here as well).

Also, when overlay networks start to be attacked by state actors,
the same actors will also attack stray wires on the forest floor.

...
> Curious that cryptocurrency is much farther ahead in global
> deployment against the beasts than guerrilla nets, whose basic

Cryptocurrencies don't require the enthusiasts to be in
physical proximity (as do overlay networks).

- Andreas

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Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-11 Thread grarpamp 
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:01 AM, Michalis Kargakis
 wrote:
> That's because the majority of Internet users today are pretty OK with using
> an ISP. Most of them don't even know there are alternatives. What's sad is
> ignorance about the implications but it is what it is.

That's up to you to change.
Grab some gear, some unix, crypto, and coin, a beer, a shovel...
go knock on their door...
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Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-10 Thread grarpamp 
>> Actually the brat is right in his tantrum. Tor Browser should not
>> even exist.
>
> Actually, that's not quite right. In an ideal world Tor browser (and
> Tor itself) should not /need/ to exist. Unfortunately we do not live in
> that ideal world.
>
>> But thanks to venerable gurus, like Vint Cerf, Richard Stallman, Tim
>> Berners Lee and other old white men, the net today is the heaven for
>> surveillance. I am not arguing for the conspiracy. Just little minds
>> generating little thoughts.
>
> Those "old white men" did the job they were supposed to do at the time
> they were supposed to do it. And in this (old, white) man's view they
> did a pretty good job. But as I say, unfortunately the world is not the
> same now. I'd guess that if packet switched networking were being
> invented now we might be seeing a rather different beast to the IP
> stack we currently all know and love. :-)

It would be an even more centralized nasty beast than it is today.
Neither beast anyone has yet routed around by building out properly
decentralized neighbor-to-neighbor p2p guerrilla networks.
Fiber / copper / WiFi, shovels / ladders, opensource routing devices,
beer with your neighbors and their neighbors... all inexpensive,
needed and competitive.

Curious that cryptocurrency is much farther ahead in global
deployment against the beasts than guerrilla nets, whose basic
concepts... connecting cables and routing packets... were all well
commoditized and deployable by independants / communities
a decade earlier.
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Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-10 Thread mick 
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:37:15 +
Lara  allegedly wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018, at 01:14, Duncan wrote:
> > This does not seem like very constructive criticism about Tor
> > Browser.  
> 
> Actually the brat is right in his tantrum. Tor Browser should not
> even exist.

Actually, that's not quite right. In an ideal world Tor browser (and
Tor itself) should not /need/ to exist. Unfortunately we do not live in
that ideal world.

> But thanks to venerable gurus, like Vint Cerf, Richard Stallman, Tim
> Berners Lee and other old white men, the net today is the heaven for
> surveillance. I am not arguing for the conspiracy. Just little minds
> generating little thoughts.

Those "old white men" did the job they were supposed to do at the time
they were supposed to do it. And in this (old, white) man's view they
did a pretty good job. But as I say, unfortunately the world is not the
same now. I'd guess that if packet switched networking were being
invented now we might be seeing a rather different beast to the IP
stack we currently all know and love. :-)

Happy New Year to all

Mick


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Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-10 Thread Lara 
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018, at 01:14, Duncan wrote:
> This does not seem like very constructive criticism about Tor Browser.

Actually the brat is right in his tantrum. Tor Browser should not
even exist.

But thanks to venerable gurus, like Vint Cerf, Richard Stallman, Tim
Berners Lee and other old white men, the net today is the heaven for
surveillance. I am not arguing for the conspiracy. Just little minds
generating little thoughts.
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Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-10 Thread Lara 
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018, at 23:18, debug wrote:
> These 3-4 anonymouses are attacking each other. Can't you close this
> ticket and lock already? This help nothing.
>
> I'm started to thinking Tor developers didn't care user's
> privacy at all.

Email at riseup. Tor Browser. You are just a middle class brat stomping
his little feet for not getting enough for free.
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Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-09 Thread Duncan 

Hello,

This does not seem like very constructive criticism about Tor Browser.

Tor Browser is effective at providing anonymity, and provides the most 
extensive fingerprinting protections of major web browsers today. So the 
title of this email is inaccurate.


Do you have some constructive suggestions for the Tor Browser 
developers?


debug:

These 3-4 anonymouses are attacking each other.
Can't you close this ticket and lock already? This help nothing.

I'm started to thinking Tor developers didn't care user's privacy at 
all.


Here's a ticket. DO something.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24816

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[tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY

2018-01-09 Thread debug 
These 3-4 anonymouses are attacking each other.
Can't you close this ticket and lock already? This help nothing.

I'm started to thinking Tor developers didn't care user's privacy at all.

Here's a ticket. DO something.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24816
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