[Touch-packages] [Bug 1425991] Re: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder
Even if there are lots of users who do not want networks connecting automatically was true, that wouldn't matter, as long as they were still a small minority compared with the case I described of people wanting to connect to a wi-fi network at a cafe, airport, university, or other venue that they haven't visited before. That is the reason NOT to confine networks you have never connected to the 'More networks' folder or an 'Unknown networks' folder. And that's why having NEVER-USED, NEVER-WILL-USE networks taking up space in the drop-down is not a smart design choice is assuming the question: it's conflating networks that you haven't used before with networks that you never will use, when they are not the same thing. If the user is forced to wade through unknown networks to single out the network/s they have previously connected to in the past, that is a bug. Please report it as a bug, with precise details https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager, rather than making a design suggestion that might fix the bug but that has major side- effects. It is often the case that designers and engineers, especially those with experience in a particular component, can come up with better solutions to a bug than the reporter can. This is most certainly not a bug, it is a feature request It is neither; it is a request for a change to the design of an existing feature. It's okay to request a design change, and a bug tracker is a reasonable place to do it; Launchpad's Opinion status is a failed experiment (bug 772954). But a request for a design change is much less likely to be valid than a bug report, because often it lacks rationale or (as in this case) lacks perspective about the full range of use cases. Any time you put should in a bug summary, or even in the first paragraph, back away from the keyboard for a while and think: What is the problem I'm trying to solve? What would be the tradeoff of the solution I'm suggesting? Does the specification discuss this tradeoff? Can I think of five other solutions? ** Changed in: indicator-network (Ubuntu) Status: Opinion = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to indicator-network in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425991 Title: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder Status in indicator-network package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a dropdown appears and lists wifi networks. This menu should NOT display networks that the user has never connected to. Networks the user has never connected to should only display in a folder called Unknown Networks. At a mininum, the user should be given the ability to prevent networks from cluttering up the indicator menu. It is an unproductive design choice to force users to have to wade through networks they have never connected to (networks they will never connect to) in their menu. Even if a user makes use of the Auto- Connect setting for wireless networks, only displaying known networks in the indicator dropdown allows a visual reference of available networks the user can connect to. If the user is in the vicinity of a free network or at a friend's house and has the password to a network he/she has never connected to before, this network would be unknown (because it has never been connected to before). So the user would browse the Unknown Networks folder to identify the SSID. Once connected to, from then on the network would directly display in the Network-Indicator dropdown list. It makes sense and is more efficient to have the menu only display the networks the user makes active use of and no more. When I click on the Network Manager Indicator and select Edit Connections and then look under the Wifi heading, only a couple networks appear. So why do 5 or more networks (networks I have never connected to, networks I never will connect to) perpetually show in the Network Indicator menu? They should not be displayed like they are. They should be confined to a folder called Unknown Networks. In the interest of providing a visual example of what I am talking about, here is a picture of some networks I would like to hide/remove from my Network Indicator menu. http://a.pomf.se/fdqlnn.png To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1425991/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1425991] Re: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder
** Description changed: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a dropdown appears and lists wifi networks. This menu should NOT display networks that the user has never connected to. Networks the user has never connected to should - only display in the More networks folder. At a mininum, the user - should be given the ability to confine unwanted networks in the More - networks folder. + only display in a folder called Unknown Networks. At a mininum, the + user should be given the ability to prevent networks from cluttering up + the indicator menu. It is an unproductive design choice to force users to have to wade through networks they have never connected to (networks they will never - connect to) in their menu. Numerous reasons exist why a user will not - use the Auto-Connect setting for wireless networks. So it makes sense - and is more efficient to have the menu only display the networks the - user makes active use of and no more. + connect to) in their menu. Even if a user makes use of the Auto-Connect + setting for wireless networks, only displaying known networks in the + indicator dropdown allows a visual reference of available networks the + user can connect to. If the user is interested in connecting to an + unknown (or never before connected-to network), the user can explore a + folder that contains such networks. It makes sense and is more efficient + to have the menu only display the networks the user makes active use of + and no more. When I click on the Network Manager Indicator and select Edit Connections and then look under the Wifi heading, only a couple networks appear. So why do 5 or more networks (networks I have never connected to, networks I never will connect to) perpetually show in the Network Indicator menu? They should not be displayed like they are. They - should be confined to the More networks folder. Alternatively, there - should be a way to manually confine/sandbox unwanted networks to this - folder so they no longer display in the dropdown menu. + should be confined to a folder called Unknown Networks. In the interest of providing a visual example of what I am talking about, here is a picture of some networks I would like to hide/remove from my Network Indicator menu. http://a.pomf.se/fdqlnn.png ** Description changed: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a dropdown appears and lists wifi networks. This menu should NOT display networks that the user has never connected to. Networks the user has never connected to should only display in a folder called Unknown Networks. At a mininum, the user should be given the ability to prevent networks from cluttering up the indicator menu. It is an unproductive design choice to force users to have to wade through networks they have never connected to (networks they will never connect to) in their menu. Even if a user makes use of the Auto-Connect setting for wireless networks, only displaying known networks in the indicator dropdown allows a visual reference of available networks the - user can connect to. If the user is interested in connecting to an - unknown (or never before connected-to network), the user can explore a - folder that contains such networks. It makes sense and is more efficient - to have the menu only display the networks the user makes active use of - and no more. + user can connect to. If the user is in the vicinity of a free network or + at a friend's house and has the password to a network he/she has never + connected to before, this network would be unknown (because it has never + been connected to before). So the user would browse the Unknown + Networks folder to identify the SSID. Once connected to, from then on + the network would directly display in the Network-Indicator dropdown + list. It makes sense and is more efficient to have the menu only display + the networks the user makes active use of and no more. When I click on the Network Manager Indicator and select Edit Connections and then look under the Wifi heading, only a couple networks appear. So why do 5 or more networks (networks I have never connected to, networks I never will connect to) perpetually show in the Network Indicator menu? They should not be displayed like they are. They should be confined to a folder called Unknown Networks. In the interest of providing a visual example of what I am talking about, here is a picture of some networks I would like to hide/remove from my Network Indicator menu. http://a.pomf.se/fdqlnn.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to indicator-network in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425991 Title: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder Status in indicator-network package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1425991] Re: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder
@ James Anslow, no because it's not signal strength that defines the significance of the network to the user. The user is making connection decisions based on the identity of the network. Even in a context where a user is trying to select between several free networks, signal strength may or may not be an important consideration. Personally, I value my appraisal of the trust worthiness of the network over signal strength. And signal strength is a non-factor in a trusted context, for example your home. The neighbors may be blasting their WAP at max strength and you have reduced your WAP's strength because you are in a small apartment or something. So your network would appear at the bottom of the list, being crowded out by the stronger signals. Yet you have never connected to your neighbors' networks and you likely never will. So why should these networks display perpetually in a regular-use area of your menu? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to indicator-network in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425991 Title: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder Status in indicator-network package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a dropdown appears and lists wifi networks. This menu should NOT display networks that the user has never connected to. Networks the user has never connected to should only display in a folder called Unknown Networks. At a mininum, the user should be given the ability to prevent networks from cluttering up the indicator menu. It is an unproductive design choice to force users to have to wade through networks they have never connected to (networks they will never connect to) in their menu. Even if a user makes use of the Auto- Connect setting for wireless networks, only displaying known networks in the indicator dropdown allows a visual reference of available networks the user can connect to. If the user is in the vicinity of a free network or at a friend's house and has the password to a network he/she has never connected to before, this network would be unknown (because it has never been connected to before). So the user would browse the Unknown Networks folder to identify the SSID. Once connected to, from then on the network would directly display in the Network-Indicator dropdown list. It makes sense and is more efficient to have the menu only display the networks the user makes active use of and no more. When I click on the Network Manager Indicator and select Edit Connections and then look under the Wifi heading, only a couple networks appear. So why do 5 or more networks (networks I have never connected to, networks I never will connect to) perpetually show in the Network Indicator menu? They should not be displayed like they are. They should be confined to a folder called Unknown Networks. In the interest of providing a visual example of what I am talking about, here is a picture of some networks I would like to hide/remove from my Network Indicator menu. http://a.pomf.se/fdqlnn.png To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1425991/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1425991] Re: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder
Wouldn't it make more sense to simply organise network names by the access points' signal strength, descending? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to indicator-network in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425991 Title: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder Status in indicator-network package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a dropdown appears and lists wifi networks. This menu should NOT display networks that the user has never connected to. Networks the user has never connected to should only display in a folder called Unknown Networks. At a mininum, the user should be given the ability to prevent networks from cluttering up the indicator menu. It is an unproductive design choice to force users to have to wade through networks they have never connected to (networks they will never connect to) in their menu. Even if a user makes use of the Auto- Connect setting for wireless networks, only displaying known networks in the indicator dropdown allows a visual reference of available networks the user can connect to. If the user is in the vicinity of a free network or at a friend's house and has the password to a network he/she has never connected to before, this network would be unknown (because it has never been connected to before). So the user would browse the Unknown Networks folder to identify the SSID. Once connected to, from then on the network would directly display in the Network-Indicator dropdown list. It makes sense and is more efficient to have the menu only display the networks the user makes active use of and no more. When I click on the Network Manager Indicator and select Edit Connections and then look under the Wifi heading, only a couple networks appear. So why do 5 or more networks (networks I have never connected to, networks I never will connect to) perpetually show in the Network Indicator menu? They should not be displayed like they are. They should be confined to a folder called Unknown Networks. In the interest of providing a visual example of what I am talking about, here is a picture of some networks I would like to hide/remove from my Network Indicator menu. http://a.pomf.se/fdqlnn.png To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1425991/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1425991] Re: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder
** Summary changed: - Networks I have never connected to should be confined to the More Networks folder + Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to indicator-network in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425991 Title: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder Status in indicator-network package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a dropdown appears and lists wifi networks. This menu should NOT display networks that the user has never connected to. Networks the user has never connected to should only display in the More networks folder. At a mininum, the user should be given the ability to confine unwanted networks in the More networks folder. It is an unproductive design choice to force users to have to wade through networks they have never connected to (networks they will never connect to) in their menu. Numerous reasons exist why a user will not use the Auto-Connect setting for wireless networks. So it makes sense and is more efficient to have the menu only display the networks the user makes active use of and no more. When I click on the Network Manager Indicator and select Edit Connections and then look under the Wifi heading, only a couple networks appear. So why do 5 or more networks (networks I have never connected to, networks I never will connect to) perpetually show in the Network Indicator menu? They should not be displayed like they are. They should be confined to the More networks folder. Alternatively, there should be a way to manually confine/sandbox unwanted networks to this folder so they no longer display in the dropdown menu. In the interest of providing a visual example of what I am talking about, here is a picture of some networks I would like to hide/remove from my Network Indicator menu. http://a.pomf.se/fdqlnn.png To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1425991/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1425991] Re: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder
This is most certainly not a bug, it is a feature request. Splitting up the dropdown into something like Visited/Remembered Networks and Other/Unknown Networks, which default to a collapsed list would make sense and could possible be a useful feature. Either way, that would need to be handled upstream by gnome. ** Changed in: indicator-network (Ubuntu) Status: New = Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to indicator-network in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425991 Title: Networks I have never connected to should be confined to an Unknown Networks folder Status in indicator-network package in Ubuntu: Opinion Bug description: When a user clicks the network manager indicator, a dropdown appears and lists wifi networks. This menu should NOT display networks that the user has never connected to. Networks the user has never connected to should only display in a folder called Unknown Networks. At a mininum, the user should be given the ability to prevent networks from cluttering up the indicator menu. It is an unproductive design choice to force users to have to wade through networks they have never connected to (networks they will never connect to) in their menu. Even if a user makes use of the Auto- Connect setting for wireless networks, only displaying known networks in the indicator dropdown allows a visual reference of available networks the user can connect to. If the user is in the vicinity of a free network or at a friend's house and has the password to a network he/she has never connected to before, this network would be unknown (because it has never been connected to before). So the user would browse the Unknown Networks folder to identify the SSID. Once connected to, from then on the network would directly display in the Network-Indicator dropdown list. It makes sense and is more efficient to have the menu only display the networks the user makes active use of and no more. When I click on the Network Manager Indicator and select Edit Connections and then look under the Wifi heading, only a couple networks appear. So why do 5 or more networks (networks I have never connected to, networks I never will connect to) perpetually show in the Network Indicator menu? They should not be displayed like they are. They should be confined to a folder called Unknown Networks. In the interest of providing a visual example of what I am talking about, here is a picture of some networks I would like to hide/remove from my Network Indicator menu. http://a.pomf.se/fdqlnn.png To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1425991/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
