[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
This bug was fixed in the package upstart - 1.13.2-0ubuntu26 --- upstart (1.13.2-0ubuntu26) yakkety; urgency=medium * Disable upstart-sysv package. (LP: #1585589) -- Martin Pitt Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:51:51 +0200 ** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to upstart in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to upstart in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/upstart/ubuntu -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to upstart in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
It's not so much about maintaining upstart as it is about maintaining upstart support in every daemon, and making sure the boot sequence continues to function well, etc. That's completely wasted effort, and the only reason we made sure it continued functioning up until Xenial was to make sure that upgrades could run smoothly. Putting alternate init systems in universe without also committing to support them would be naive at best, actively harmful to users, at worst. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to upstart in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
In that case would it not be possibly better to move Upstart from main to universe and keep the optional upstart-sysv dependency in init? This way users can continue to use (and theoretically develop) Upstart while the maintainers of main don't need to maintain Upstart anymore. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to upstart in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
We currently keep "upstart" for the session init, but we are working on replacing those: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/convergence-y-replace- upstart As we don't want to support two init systems, there is no upstart maintainer any more, and nobody tests upstart for system boot, we'll drop it at some point. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to upstart in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
So Upstart gets completely removed or is it really just the init-part (upstart-sysv) that gets removed so that Upstart continues to work in 16.10+ besides systemd to run legacy jobs? Otherwise I have to migrate a few custom jobs to systemd before Ubuntu 16.10 gets released in october. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to upstart in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1585589] Re: drop upstart-sysv
>From 16.10 on, upstart-sysv is not supported any more and hence it was dropped as an "init" alternative. I just wanted to leave some time between the steps to eliminate it, to check some potential fallout. E. g. Ubuntu Touch still has that seeded, and we need to sort this out first. ** Summary changed: - init does leave no choice between upstart and systemd anymore + drop upstart-sysv ** Package changed: init-system-helpers (Ubuntu) => upstart (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu) Status: New => Triaged ** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Martin Pitt (pitti) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to init-system-helpers in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1585589 Title: drop upstart-sysv Status in upstart package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: I'm using Ubuntu 16.10 dev with init 1.33ubuntu2 and I'm noticing that it does now pre-depend on "systemd-sysv" instead of "systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv". Since init is essential and upstart-sysv conflicts with systemd-sysv this means it is not possible to install Upstart in a sane way anymore. In case Upstart is not supported anymore maybe all related packages should be removed from the yakkety repository then (since Upstart can't be installed anymore with apt for the reasons above) to avoid confusion. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1585589/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
