[Trac] Change Trac user group email settings

2009-12-01 Thread Ariel Balter
Sorry, should have been new thread...

Does anyone know how to change to a daily summary, or no emails at all, 
without leaving the group?  I would like to stay connected, but not 
using trac enough right now to need the constant input.

I looked and looked in my google account, and I couldn't find the switch.

Thanks, Ariel

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Re: [Trac] Change Trac user group email settings

2009-12-01 Thread Ariel Balter
Thanks for the links.  I actually had already set it to
 Abridged Email /(No more than 1 email per day)/
But I'm still receiving multiple emails.  If it continues, I should 
probably contact google.



Ethan Jucovy wrote:
 From http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en if you're logged 
 in, there should be a edit my membership link on the right-hand 
 column.  There's some digest options for your subscription from 
 there.  http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/subscribe?hl=en is 
 the direct link, if that works.

 egj

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 mailto:ar...@arielbalter.com wrote:

 Sorry, should have been new thread...

 Does anyone know how to change to a daily summary, or no emails at
 all,
 without leaving the group?  I would like to stay connected, but not
 using trac enough right now to need the constant input.

 I looked and looked in my google account, and I couldn't find the
 switch.

 Thanks, Ariel

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[Trac] Re: No Edit button

2009-10-03 Thread Ariel Balter
For some reason, your user does not have WIKI_EDIT permission.  Have you 
logged in?  If not, you are an anonymous user.

sak...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 I just installed a Trac 0.11.4 on Fedora 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586  and
 there
 is no edit button on the wiki pages? how do I get edit buttons. I
 created
 multiple trac projectsenv same result. Thanks for help
 
   

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[Trac] svn question

2009-09-18 Thread Ariel Balter
All of a sudden I'm getting an SVN problem.  I have this in my apache2.conf

 Location /svn/heartstuff
  DAV svn
  SVNParentPath /svn
  SVNListParentPath On
  AuthType Basic
  AuthName Subversion Repository for HeartStuff
  AuthUserFile /trac/heartstuff/.htpass
  Require valid-user
 /Location

Tortoise SVN is giving me  Error: Could not open the requested SVN 
filesystem

However, my trac site can still see the repository!

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[Trac] Re: sell af1 jordan shoes , air force one shoes - $36

2009-09-15 Thread Ariel Balter
Trac[k] shoes, get it!  Ha Ha, we've been hacked!

11 wrote:
 sell af1 jordan shoes , air force one shoes - $36

 we supply kinds of brand shoes such as Nike shoe Air Jordan series,
 nike Air force One( AF1),af1 25th anniversary shoes, Dunk sb,nike Air
 Max 95/97/2003/2004/05/06/TN/360,air max lmt,90/up; Nike Shox TL/TL2/
 TL3/NZ/r2/R4//r3/r5/turbo. Also as Adidas, puma, Timberland,bape star
 shoes and lacoste, AF,armani,dg,polo t-shirt. Louis
 Vuitton ,gucci,chloe ,fendi bags with high quality ,low
 price ,Charming model , timely delivery , best service .

 please kindly visite our website: http://www.ccshoe.com
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[Trac] Re: Trac wiki markup vs ReST

2009-06-08 Thread Ariel Balter
Olemis,

I tried to look at your blog, but I think your formatter is broken or 
something.  Everything is coming out in some foreign language, I think 
Spanish or something.  Made it very hard to read and understand.  
Perhaps you should look into using a different markup scheme?

Xenophobically yours, Ariel

Olemis Lang wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Eirik Schwenkeeirik.schwe...@nsd.uib.no 
 wrote:
   
 Olemis Lang skrev 08. juni 2009 15:24:
 
 On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Hammeljham...@openplans.org wrote:
   
 On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 02:36:49PM +0200, Eirik Schwenke wrote:
 
 (...)
 
 In fact I even use Trac wiki syntax to write my blog posts (Blogger).
 In the end, (in this case) the only thing that matters is HTML ;)
   
 Interesting. Those of you that use trac markup so extensively -- what
 part of the markup do you actually use?
 Are you mainly reffering to
 headers and linking, or also the various format (non structural, non
 semantic) stuff ?

 

 Well I'll tell you about my blog (other people could tell you about
 other things too ;) and mainly about a specific entry [1]_

 - I use Dojo ...
 - I use Trac CSS ...
 - I use div macro for the collapsible panel stuff. The benefits are
   - Users only read a summary of the article
   - If they want to they read the full article
   - without navigating to a different page
   - I'm focused on writing my article and not on seting up the html + js
 code needed for that.
   - *DONT LIKE BLOGGER EDITOR*. Even if there's a lot of effort in
 there, it doesnt
 help me much (too many clicks or otherwise pure HTML). Wiki is just
 fast  great ...
 - I use syntax highlighting (processors) for code snippets.
 - I dont use ImageMacro because I dont know URLs to images beforehand, but I
   could ;)
 - I use TracLinks for definitions and more
 - I use iGoogleGadget macro (TracGViz plugin [2]_) for including
 Gadgets in posts.
   (not in the article I mention :-/)
 - I plan to implement more specific stuff to do many other things fast as 
 hell.
 - Header  linking of course ;)
 - The `span + icon` thing for links (fast as hell as compared with plain HTML)

 ... but these days I've not much time :(

 and all this is tremendously non-std, but is useful  that's what
 matters for me .

   
 Just curios.

 

 Dont if it helps and if it's related with the main subject; but u just
 asked for it ;)

 BE CAREFUL ! If you use all these ideas you'll be violating my
 copyrights ... c'u in court   (

 XD

 .. [1] PyUMLGraph : Otra manera de contemplar el código
 
 (http://simelo-es.blogspot.com/2009/06/pyumlgraph-mirando-al-codigo-de-python.html)

 .. [2] TracGViz plugin
 (https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/swlcu/wiki/En/Devel/TracGViz)

   

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[Trac] Re: Python question

2009-06-08 Thread Ariel Balter
errors contains a list of tuppes, each with two elements.  The first 
element in each tupple is a string, the field_name, and a second is 
the string that gets manufactured with %s is required' % field_name 
based on the value of field_name.

I'm guessing that the next thing is that the list errors will get 
zipped into a dictionary.  There is actually a way to make 
dictionaries with those kinds of expressions, but I don't remember the 
syntax off the top of my head.

Dan Winslow wrote:

 Can someone explain this construct to me?

  

 errors = [(field_name, '%s is required' % field_name)

for field_name in required_fields

if self._is_empty(ticket[field_name])]

  

 What does 'errors' contain? I can see that it's a list of some 
 sort...but the parenthetical grouping in the first line looks like it 
 is some kind of initializer for field_name...so what does it return? 
 The contents of field_name? and how does the for loop work...what's 
 the difference between the if returning false or true?

  

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[Trac] Re: Python question

2009-06-08 Thread Ariel Balter
Consider:
{{{#!python
field_names = [
   'first',
   'second',
   'third',
   ]

stuff = [(field_name, 'the field name is \%s\' % field_name) for 
field_name in field_names]

print(stuff)

print('\n\n')

more_stuff = dict(stuff)

for key, value in more_stuff.items():
   print(key + ':\t' + value)
}}}

Dan Winslow wrote:

 Can someone explain this construct to me?

  

 errors = [(field_name, '%s is required' % field_name)

for field_name in required_fields

if self._is_empty(ticket[field_name])]

  

 What does 'errors' contain? I can see that it's a list of some 
 sort...but the parenthetical grouping in the first line looks like it 
 is some kind of initializer for field_name...so what does it return? 
 The contents of field_name? and how does the for loop work...what's 
 the difference between the if returning false or true?

  

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[Trac] Re: Trac Recipies

2009-06-04 Thread Ariel Balter
Why is this in the Trac Recipies thread?

Eirik Schwenke wrote:
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 One of the things I've found very useful in MoinMoin wikis (and
 certainly many other wikis have this feature but Trac), is the ability
 to have e-mail notifications upon changes to pages. This enables small
 expert communities to form and aggregate around topics and so there's
 a better chance that a given page will get maintained.
 

 Indeed - this is very useful -- and possible in trac:

   http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/WikiNotificationPlugin
   http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/AnnouncerPlugin

 However - it's not enabled on trac.edgewall.org ?

 Some of these features run parallel to how the all-new google wave works:

   http://wave.google.com/

 Personally I'm not convinced mega jabber server clusters is a viable (or
 even desirable) alternative to the web browse + email
 announce-architecture -- but there is always room for improvements and
 new/refined ideas.

 Is the reason WikiNotificationPlugin isn't installed on t.e.o lack of a
 email validation feature (ie: risk of being abused for spamming) ?


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[Trac] Re: Trac Recipies

2009-06-04 Thread Ariel Balter
Wow!  Thanks!  That is a practical and detailed description of what I 
have in mind.  I'm so glad to see that some are at least getting the 
picture of where this could go, how it could be useful, and how it could 
be done.

I happen to have just created the page [wiki:TracCookbook/About] at 
trac.edgewall.com.  I am still in the middle of composing the page 
offline.  That doesn't have to be how/where it goes, I just really 
wanted to get started.

I really like the idea of adopters.  Another idea crossed my mind 
yesterday on the way home from work.  I was trying to think of a 
completely open way of making the cookbook.  Here's what crossed my mind:

Anyone can post any recipe.  There can be multiple recipes.  However, 
these get reviewed or voted on in some way.  Perhaps some number of 
+'s if they work (depending on how well or easy to use) and some number 
of -'s (depending on how badly they fail or screw things up for you).  
Bad recipes will get low numbers of +'s or even -'s if they are wrong or 
break things.  Some sort of faceted browsing can allow users to search 
for only recipes with at least some number of +'s or at least no -'s.

That was just an idea, and would need some sort of additional plugin or 
back-end structure to work.

Thanks, Ariel

P.S. to Noah -- If the cookbook is going to be part of the Trac 
documentation, great.  But I still think it is worthwhile having 
different words for the kind of documentation that documents the 
features and the kind the gives recipes.  Regards, AB

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 One of the things I've found very useful in MoinMoin wikis (and
 certainly many other wikis have this feature but Trac), is the ability
   
 ...for the record, I didn't write that, so no, I can't elaborate on
 what I meant, but it does sound rather insightful... :D  I have been
 misquoted!  oh no, it's on the internet, it must be true!

 As an observation, here's is what I think seems to of washed out of
 this hijacked thread so far in terms of intent

 maybe we should have an adopt-a-wiki-page type thing, similar to
 adopt-a-hack on track hacks.  someone can adopt a page, and either
 be notified of changes by one of the notify type plugins, and have the
 chance to moderate the changes. Or be given exclusive (by that, I
 mean, in addition to all the people that actually maintain trac) to
 edit that page specifically, and the edgewall site could create
 components for each of the top level wiki pages (or a suggest a new
 top level topic as well) for the purpose of people to suggest updates
 to topic X, with topic x automatically getting a CC and choosing to
 close the ticket.  If a topic doesn't have an owner, the top guys
 can make the stub, update the ticket so the post has the option to
 adopt it, or someone else can adopt it.

 Also, we could, for example, standardize on a convention for recipe
 naming:
 SomeWikiTopic/Recipes/HowtoDoSomethingCool
 SomeWikiTopic/Recipes/HowtoDoSomethingMoreCool
 SomeOtherTopic/Recipes/HowtoDoSomethingLame

 so each topic could have a topic specific Recipies TitleIndex
 section in it somewhere.
 Some top level page could collate all */Recipies/* pages

 etc.

 What'cha think?

 [note: long winded example follows:]
 The Recipe pages could also link to their parent, or EVEN have sub
 recipes:
 ApacheSetup/ModPython/Recipies/Windows
 ApacheSetup/ModPython/Recipies/Windows/Recipes/LDAP
 ApacheSetup/Recipies/ModPython/Windows
 ApacheSetup/ModPython/Recipies/Ubuntu
 ApacheSetup/WSGI/Recipies/VirtualServers
 ApacheSetup/SubversionAuth/Recipes/httauth  etc.

 Now, for the sake of argument.  Lets say we used the ticket idea
 mentioned above.  I need some information:
 I find ApacheSetup
 I find there is a recipe for modpython on windows
 I find there is a sub-topic page on WSGI
 I see there Isn't a sub-topic page on WSGI on windows, or recipe page.
 I use everything I get from the main apace topic, the wsgi topic, and
 the modpython recipe to get close.
 I go to the usergroup, get some help to find out how to get the
 details working out.

 I go the the ApacheSetup/WSGI page, click the link for request a
 change or correction to this page (I am assuming we put them on all
 the pages in this model)
 I get a ticket, with ApacheSetup-WSGI as the component.  somewhere I
 can fill in something that says RECIPE (keyword, new type, custom
 field, whatever)
 I suggest a new recipe: I wiki format an Apache/WSGI/Recipes/Windows
 page, with all that I learned.  The owner of the page, (if already
 adopted) can moderate this info, maybe contact me, and very possibly
 choose to add it to the the WSGI/Recipies/Windows page.  They could
 even offer to have ME become the owner, or abandon that particular
 sub page, letting myself, or someone else adopt just that recipe.
 I am on windows


[Trac] Re: Trac Recipies

2009-06-03 Thread Ariel Balter
I'm glad to see I've already been quoted on this page:
http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange
;~}


I'm just hanging out until a few more responses come in.  It appears 
that there are already some emerging projects that address some/most of 
what I was after.  I'll look over the responses in a bit and propose 
something

Thanks, Ariel

Remy Blank wrote:
 Lance Hendrix wrote:
   
 In line with your note, perhaps you could suggest a few items (or a few 
 topics) that you especially feel would be important/critical/useful to 
 develop (what were you unable to find documentation about).
 

 I have started a page to collect documentation topics:

   http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange/DocumentationRequests

   
 one of my major objectives to support the 
 OSS effort is to attempt to provide or at least assist with the 
 development of (I am capable of at generating content quickly, I'll let 
 someone else be the judge of it's usefulness) documentation;
 

 We seem to have at least two people who are willing to spend some time
 writing documentation for Trac. So here's your chance: add relevant
 topics to the page above, vote for the topics you would find most
 useful, and maybe, just maybe, this could be the starting point of a
 vastly improved Trac documentation!

 -- Remy

   

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[Trac] Re: Trac Recipies

2009-06-03 Thread Ariel Balter
Ok.  I'm starting to officially feel like my topic is being hijacked, 
albeit unintentionally and with the best of intentions.

I'm want to reiterate my proposal and also explain how what I mean by 
recipes differs from documentation.

TRAC COOKBOOK
I proposed taking on the project of compiling a cookbook for Trac made 
of recipes collected from around the web, forums, mailing lists, etc. 
based on solutions to common tasks (not necessarily solutions to 
''problems'').

There is a lot of information floating around in the web, especially in 
the middle and ends of threads, on how to achieve particular goals.  
Sometimes this information is hard to assemble and assimilate in a 
timely manner because it is non-centralized and, as I said, in pieces 
throughout discussions.

By a recipe I mean a more or less complete how-to from beginning 
(noob) to end for how to achieve a particular goal.  A recipe would be a 
'''complete''' description such that if a person starts at step 1 and 
takes every step until the end, the goal will be reached and work for 
the specified version of Trac.  No foreknowledge or pre-requisite 
settings required.   Here are some examples that are just popping up:
1) How to set up track to use various methods of authentication.
I know a lot of this is in the docs and TracInstall.  However, I found 
that I still needed to do a lot of trial and error.  This was especially 
true when I wanted to use the login form rather than the .htaccess 
apache window and have true logout.  I had to turn off some features of 
the accounts manager and not others.

2) How to install and use ticket enhancing plugins:

3) How to create, implement and package a new theme.

4) Different ways to structure and use the wiki.

5) Different ways to use a Trac site.  For example: code development, 
project management, task management, etc.  What would a typical 
installation geared towards these uses include and how would it be managed.

6) How to set up Trac to use my favorite method of ticket tracking.  
(Not really familiar enough with ticket systems to give examples, just 
an idea based on threads I see go by in this group).

RECIPES VS DOCUMENTATION
The purpose of documentation is to provide a comprehensive description 
of features and how to use them.  The purpose is for reference, not 
necessarily for usability in a given context.  For many programming 
languages and operating systems there exist both documentation and 
recipe books.  They have separate goals.  The python docs explicitly lay 
out the features of the python language and how to use them.  The Python 
Cookbook (http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596007973/) is a collection of 
snippets and solutions for doing things like: Modifying the class 
hierarchy of an instance, Splitting a path into all of its parts, 
Manipulating Windows Services, Grabbing a document from the web.  
These recipes use ''ingredients'' from the documentation to create a 
delicious python ''dish'' or ''meal''.

EXISTING EFFORTS
There are clearly a few efforts already out there to improve the 
usability and completeness of documentation.  I'm glad the motivation is 
there as I think it will really help the Trac community.  I plan to 
contribute to this effort.

I want to review the responses in this thread to see how I can best help.

However, I still think a Cookbook is different from documentation and 
will be a valuable companion.  I would like to hear if others agree or 
disagree.

PROCESS
Here is an off-the-cuff proposal for how this would work.  I and perhaps 
a few others would moderate the cookbook.  We would begin populating the 
cookbook with just whatever occurs to us or appears useful based on irc 
chats and threads in this group.  We would also lay out some sort of 
hierarchical structure such as (Installation, Authentication, Tickets, 
Workflow, etc...).  We would also use tags.  We would also try to set 
out some principles for our chief priorities.

The community would request recipes via tickets.  Based on our 
priorities, the moderators and entire community would search around for 
solutions.  When a solution is found, it will need to be tested and 
verified sufficiently.  When the moderators agree that the solution 
works, we will commit it to the cookbook.  As requests come in, we can 
update our priorities.

HOSTING
I'm still looking for suggestions for where this thing could be hosted.  
If all else fails, I can start it on my own server.  I'd rather it be 
public/donated space.

Thanks again,

Ariel



Remy Blank wrote:
 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
   
 Converting Trac wiki markup to ReST is more annoying than it sounds ;-)
 

 I bet it is. And automatic conversion is probably out of the question,
 too. Still, better than having no content at all?

   
 Definitely doable but be careful or you will be right back at wiki doc-rot.
 

 You mean this effort should be better coordinated? You are probably
 right. I would suggest that contributors take ownership 

[Trac] Re: browser view for attached PDF files

2009-05-24 Thread Ariel Balter
Here is a link to a PDF file:
http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.pdf
When I paste that in my browser (latest FF), the PDF file opens in my 
browser.

Also, here is a link to an HTML file with a link to the above URL.
http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.html
When I click on the link, FF opens the page in my browser.

How can I get Trac to do that with PDF files?

Thanks, Ariel

P.S. Just tested in IE with same behavior.

Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 No, there is no cross-browser way to offer such a thing without  
 rendering the PDFs to an image or something (which brings up its own  
 portability issues).

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, abalter wrote:

   
 When you view an attached PDF file you get the HTML preview not
 available message, and the suggestion to Try downloading the file
 instead..

 Is there a way to make it so that pdf's try to open in the browser
 window as they do when they are simply web files?
 


 
   

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[Trac] Re: browser view for attached PDF files

2009-05-24 Thread Ariel Balter
I'm confused here because I work in an academic setting and my 
professional life revolves around viewing PDF journal articles on the 
web all day long form journals, publishers, etc.   I just can't mesh 
this with your suggestion that it is some kind of security risk or 
hard-to-solve problem.

The wikipedia page on PDF files
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf
has many references and external links which are PDF files and DO open 
in the browser rather than downloading.

So then I went to wikimedia commons, did a search for pdf, and clicked 
on the first result, which is:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/AAV_Reisebericht_1661_Aachen_Savelsberg.pdf
and which opens in my browser.

Can someone please shed some light on why major journal publishers can 
do this and Wikipedia can do this, but Trac can't?

Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 You don't. We force downloading the raw views for security reasons.  
 Specifically with HTML you can have problems where the JavaScript in  
 the page within the security context of the Trac URL. There is no good  
 cross-platform way to embed a PDF, as I already said. The way to do  
 PDF previews would probably be to render to an image or flash file a  
 la slideshare or google docs.

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Ariel Balter wrote:

   
 Here is a link to a PDF file:
 http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.pdf
 When I paste that in my browser (latest FF), the PDF file opens in  
 my browser.

 Also, here is a link to an HTML file with a link to the above URL.
 http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.html
 When I click on the link, FF opens the page in my browser.

 How can I get Trac to do that with PDF files?

 Thanks, Ariel

 P.S. Just tested in IE with same behavior.

 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 
 No, there is no cross-browser way to offer such a thing without
 rendering the PDFs to an image or something (which brings up its own
 portability issues).

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, abalter wrote:


   
 When you view an attached PDF file you get the HTML preview not
 available message, and the suggestion to Try downloading the file
 instead..

 Is there a way to make it so that pdf's try to open in the browser
 window as they do when they are simply web files?

 

   
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[Trac] Re: browser view for attached PDF files

2009-05-24 Thread Ariel Balter
What if we put target=new, so it opened the file in a new window.  
Then we wouldn't need Trac chrome around it.  I realize I'm one of the 
people using trac for something other than what it was intended 
(managing and academic research project), but I wonder if others would 
also like to have their PDF files preview if that's what you call it.  
(I just call it FF displaying the PDF using the adobe reader plugin.)

Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 Opening the raw file is different from providing a preview. The hard  
 part is to embed the PDF in the page while providing the Trac chrome  
 around it. I think you are just asking why we set content-disposition,  
 which I answered in that it is a security risk not to.

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Ariel Balter wrote:

   
 I'm confused here because I work in an academic setting and my  
 professional life revolves around viewing PDF journal articles on  
 the web all day long form journals, publishers, etc.   I just can't  
 mesh this with your suggestion that it is some kind of security risk  
 or hard-to-solve problem.

 The wikipedia page on PDF files
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf
 has many references and external links which are PDF files and DO  
 open in the browser rather than downloading.

 So then I went to wikimedia commons, did a search for pdf, and  
 clicked on the first result, which is:
 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/AAV_Reisebericht_1661_Aachen_Savelsberg.pdf
 and which opens in my browser.

 Can someone please shed some light on why major journal publishers  
 can do this and Wikipedia can do this, but Trac can't?

 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 
 You don't. We force downloading the raw views for security reasons.
 Specifically with HTML you can have problems where the JavaScript in
 the page within the security context of the Trac URL. There is no  
 good
 cross-platform way to embed a PDF, as I already said. The way to do
 PDF previews would probably be to render to an image or flash file a
 la slideshare or google docs.

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Ariel Balter wrote:


   
 Here is a link to a PDF file:
 http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.pdf
 When I paste that in my browser (latest FF), the PDF file opens in
 my browser.

 Also, here is a link to an HTML file with a link to the above URL.
 http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.html
 When I click on the link, FF opens the page in my browser.

 How can I get Trac to do that with PDF files?

 Thanks, Ariel

 P.S. Just tested in IE with same behavior.

 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:

 
 No, there is no cross-browser way to offer such a thing without
 rendering the PDFs to an image or something (which brings up its  
 own
 portability issues).

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, abalter wrote:



   
 When you view an attached PDF file you get the HTML preview not
 available message, and the suggestion to Try downloading the  
 file
 instead..

 Is there a way to make it so that pdf's try to open in the browser
 window as they do when they are simply web files?


 
   
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[Trac] Re: browser view for attached PDF files

2009-05-24 Thread Ariel Balter
This
http://myotherstuff.org/heartstuff/wiki/PdfTest
proves that there is no reason why a link from a Trac page can't open a 
pdf in a browser window.

Ariel Balter wrote:
 What if we put target=new, so it opened the file in a new window.  
 Then we wouldn't need Trac chrome around it.  I realize I'm one of the 
 people using trac for something other than what it was intended 
 (managing and academic research project), but I wonder if others would 
 also like to have their PDF files preview if that's what you call 
 it.  (I just call it FF displaying the PDF using the adobe reader plugin.)

 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 Opening the raw file is different from providing a preview. The hard  
 part is to embed the PDF in the page while providing the Trac chrome  
 around it. I think you are just asking why we set content-disposition,  
 which I answered in that it is a security risk not to.

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Ariel Balter wrote:

   
 I'm confused here because I work in an academic setting and my  
 professional life revolves around viewing PDF journal articles on  
 the web all day long form journals, publishers, etc.   I just can't  
 mesh this with your suggestion that it is some kind of security risk  
 or hard-to-solve problem.

 The wikipedia page on PDF files
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf
 has many references and external links which are PDF files and DO  
 open in the browser rather than downloading.

 So then I went to wikimedia commons, did a search for pdf, and  
 clicked on the first result, which is:
 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/AAV_Reisebericht_1661_Aachen_Savelsberg.pdf
 and which opens in my browser.

 Can someone please shed some light on why major journal publishers  
 can do this and Wikipedia can do this, but Trac can't?

 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 
 You don't. We force downloading the raw views for security reasons.
 Specifically with HTML you can have problems where the JavaScript in
 the page within the security context of the Trac URL. There is no  
 good
 cross-platform way to embed a PDF, as I already said. The way to do
 PDF previews would probably be to render to an image or flash file a
 la slideshare or google docs.

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Ariel Balter wrote:


   
 Here is a link to a PDF file:
 http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.pdf
 When I paste that in my browser (latest FF), the PDF file opens in
 my browser.

 Also, here is a link to an HTML file with a link to the above URL.
 http://myotherstuff.org/share/browser_test.html
 When I click on the link, FF opens the page in my browser.

 How can I get Trac to do that with PDF files?

 Thanks, Ariel

 P.S. Just tested in IE with same behavior.

 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:

 
 No, there is no cross-browser way to offer such a thing without
 rendering the PDFs to an image or something (which brings up its  
 own
 portability issues).

 --Noah

 On May 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, abalter wrote:



   
 When you view an attached PDF file you get the HTML preview not
 available message, and the suggestion to Try downloading the  
 file
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 Is there a way to make it so that pdf's try to open in the browser
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[Trac] Re: email by id in tickets

2009-05-22 Thread Ariel Balter
Doh!  I'll try it.

Thanks.

Jeff Hammel wrote:
 Yes, this will work OOTB if the user has set their email address

 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 01:49:04PM -0700, abalter wrote:
   
 Is there a way to set tickets up so that you can just put users ids in
 the cc box instead of full email addresses?
 

 
   

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[Trac] Re: TracError: The user www-data requires read _and_ write permission

2009-05-16 Thread Ariel Balter
as root:
chmod -R 755 /var/trac
optionally:
chown -R www-data:www-data /var/trac

rstackhouse wrote:
 I am trying to get a Trac install up and running on Ubuntu.
 Currently, I am getting the following error:

 TracError: The user www-data requires read _and_ write permission to
 the database file /var/trac/myproject/db/trac.db and the directory it
 is located in.

 Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,

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[Trac] Re: ANN: TracPyTpp, «enhancing» TracDotOrg theme

2009-05-15 Thread Ariel Balter
I'm going to try it NOW!

Olemis Lang wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:13 PM, yoheeb yoh...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 On Apr 13, 2:04 pm, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hope you like it ... ;)
   
 Looks good.  I don't like that the meta-nav bar scrolls inside the
 page.
 

 Fixed  in version 2.1.0 !
 and some other features added (see below  screenshot [2]_) :

 - Always show the banner, footer and mainnav, and context nav sections.
 - Prevent mainnav from overlapping with banner and page contents (yes,
 similar to the issue mentionned for PyDotOrg [3]_ it happens when the
 logo image is larger than «usual» ;)
 - Control resizing of logo image. - by resizing the banner as well ;)-
 - Include project name in banner
 - Nicer style and embellishments
 - more ...

 Special thanks should be given to abalter and yoheeb - and Firebug !
 :P - due to either the suggestions they made or the patience to try it
 out ... Thnx a lot !

 Enjoy !


 PS: Since the changes I made in PyDotOrgTheme wiki page are not there
 anymore I created a new hack [1]_ .

 Nonetheless I'd like to know. Did I do something wrong or my changes
 were just reverted ? I ask since I see nothing in the page history,
 and I would not like to do the same mistake twice, in case I'm the one
 being «responsible» ... ;o)

 .. [1] A theme based on python.org and The Python Papers
 (http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PyTppThemePlugin)

 .. [2] PyTpp theme screenshot
 (http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PyTppThemePlugin#Screenshot)

 .. [3] Comment
  (http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PyDotOrgTheme#Comment)

   

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[Trac] Re: Trac Highlighting

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
If that is syntax coloring then he wants something else, that Carlo 
calls highlighting.  Apparently, there is a difference?  But Carlo did 
not elaborate.

Olemis Lang wrote:
 On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Carlo Camerino cmcamer...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Hi,

 Is there any plugin for trac or what is the syntax to enable me to
 highlight code the same way as gmail does
 or zimbra desktop mail client

 

 What contents d'u want to highlight ? For example, if it was XML
 you'll do something like

 {{{
 #!xml

 tag1tag2//tag1

 }}}

 and in general

 {{{
 #!processor name

 contents
 }}}

 ;)

   

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[Trac] Re: Custom Workflow question

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
That is a good point.  Just to make sure I better understand, you are 
happy with the pointing-to structure of the tickets, but the question 
was how to have effort and such also add up along a certain path.  Is 
that a better statement of your question?

Greg Troxel wrote:
 Ariel Balter ar...@arielbalter.com writes:

   
 One would like to be able to do all of the following:
 Case 1:
 Ticket #A depends on tickets #B, #C, and #D all being done.  In the
 lingo of the MasterTicketPlugin, tickets #B, #C, and #D block #A
 Case 2:
 Tickets #B, #C, and #D all depend on #A being done.  Or, #A blocks #B,
 #C, #D
 Case 3:
 Ticket #A is essentially comprised of tickets #B, #C, #D.  When #B,
 #C, #D are closed, then #A is automatically closed.

 Cases 1 and 2 can be done with the MasterTicketPlugin.  Case 3, which
 Greg brought up in the thread mentioned above, views tickets as
 tasks rather than bug reports or enhancement requests, the Trac
 default paradigm.  In this default paradigm, for Case 3, one should
 either close #A, or close all of #B, #C, #D, and mark them as
 duplicates.  From a bug tracking scheme that is fine.  From a
 project management scheme, that defeats the purpose of defining sub
 tasks.
 

 In case 3, all of BCD are closed as individual work items.  Then a human
 looks at A and says yes, after doing B C and D I still think that task
 A is done and closes it.  I don't see any problem wtih this.  The
 purpose of sub tasks is to express what needs to be done at a finer
 granularity and to be able to know that some subtasks are really
 complete - so manually reviewing A doesn't hurt these goals at all.
   

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[Trac] Re: Trac Highlighting

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
Sounds like you are more after the background colored than the letters 
themselves.  I guess you would call that highlighting.  Why did we all 
get so confused?

Anyway, does this help:  
http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiFormatting#Processors?

Carlo Camerino wrote:
 for example you're reading a book and you want to highlight some of
 lines you use a highlighter to highlight it.
 that kind of highlighting

 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Ariel Balter ar...@arielbalter.com wrote:
   
 If that is syntax coloring then he wants something else, that Carlo calls
 highlighting.  Apparently, there is a difference?  But Carlo did not
 elaborate.

 Olemis Lang wrote:

 On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Carlo Camerino cmcamer...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Hi,

 Is there any plugin for trac or what is the syntax to enable me to
 highlight code the same way as gmail does
 or zimbra desktop mail client



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 you'll do something like

 {{{
 #!xml

 tag1tag2//tag1

 }}}

 and in general

 {{{
 #!processor name

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 }}}

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[Trac] Re: Custom Workflow question

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
Right.  I totally agree that top-down project management should be part 
of Trac as well as bottom-up ticket processing.

I'm just brainstorming on some ideas...
One possibility would be to have tasks or projects in addition to 
tickets.  Another might be if, as you have said, to define the right 
kind of edges--connections between tickets.

I changed my Blocks and Blocked By to Required For and Required 
By.  One possibility would be to keep tickets as they are, and create 
''another'' table that would record the project subdivision data.  For 
example, suppose #A has sub-tasks #B and #C.  Also, suppose #B blocks 
#C.  Then we could make two tables:

Blocks:
  | #A | #B | #C
#A |  0   |  0  |   0
#B |  0   |  0  |  -1
#C |  0  |   1  |  0

Required By:
  | #A | #B | #C
#A |  0   |  -1  |   -1
#B |  1   |  0   |  0
#C |  1  |   0  |  0

I was trying to see if I could come up with a really clean way to encode 
the information into one table.  But I think the information is actually 
disjoint.  So, two tables might be best.

Perhaps we could make a parallel plugin a-la MasterTicketePlugin that is 
for task hierarchy.  But, would we need an additional plugin to handle 
accumulating effort etc. properly?

Greg Troxel wrote:
   That is a good point.  Just to make sure I better understand, you are 
   happy with the pointing-to structure of the tickets, but the question 
   was how to have effort and such also add up along a certain path.  Is 
   that a better statement of your question?

 I am sort of happy with it.  The structure is fine, but it's used for
 two reasons, and to do the add up estimates for all subtasks you have
 to know what kind of edge each one is.  So I don't see a way to have
 both kinds of edges and rolled up subtasks without some changes.
   

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[Trac] Re: Custom Workflow question

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
I'll have to learn sql!

I'm interested in having more project management functionality in Trac.

Thanks for sharing ideas!

Greg Troxel wrote:
 Ariel Balter ar...@arielbalter.com writes:

   
 One possibility would be to have tasks or projects in addition to 
 tickets.  Another might be if, as you have said, to define the right 
 kind of edges--connections between tickets.
 

 Tickets are already, by default, of type { defect, enhancement, task }.

   
 I changed my Blocks and Blocked By to Required For and Required 
 By.  One possibility would be to keep tickets as they are, and create 
 ''another'' table that would record the project subdivision data.  For 
 example, suppose #A has sub-tasks #B and #C.  Also, suppose #B blocks 
 #C.  Then we could make two tables:

 Blocks:
   | #A | #B | #C
 #A |  0   |  0  |   0
 #B |  0   |  0  |  -1
 #C |  0  |   1  |  0

 Required By:
   | #A | #B | #C
 #A |  0   |  -1  |   -1
 #B |  1   |  0   |  0
 #C |  1  |   0  |  0

 I was trying to see if I could come up with a really clean way to encode 
 the information into one table.  But I think the information is actually 
 disjoint.  So, two tables might be best.
 

 See the existing sql schema.  This is not how it looks, and I think it's
 easy to extend.

   
 Perhaps we could make a parallel plugin a-la MasterTicketePlugin that is 
 for task hierarchy.  But, would we need an additional plugin to handle 
 accumulating effort etc. properly?
 

 Sure, or make TimingAndEstimationPlugin do it.  plugin granularity is
 cool if it saves development time or lets people choose functionality
 subsets, but it can be overdone too.
   

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[Trac] Re: Custom Workflow question

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
Wow!  That's a lot to read.  What I suggested is probably already in 
there.  If not, who should I suggest the idea to?

Chris Nelson wrote:
 Ariel Balter wrote:
   
 Right.  I totally agree that top-down project management should be
 part of Trac as well as bottom-up ticket processing. 

 I'm just brainstorming on some ideas...
 One possibility would be to have tasks or projects in addition to
 tickets.  Another might be if, as you have said, to define the
 right kind of edges--connections between tickets.  
 ...
 Perhaps we could make a parallel plugin a-la MasterTicketePlugin that
 is for task hierarchy.  But, would we need an additional plugin to
 handle accumulating effort etc. properly?  
 ...
 

 We're discussing/designing this sort of thing at
 http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/ProjectManagementIdeas

 
   

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[Trac] Re: Quote code snippets in Wiki from source file

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
I was just thinking about how I would like that myself.  I think there 
is a plugin to include blog parts in wikis.  Perhaps a few line changes 
would be able to make it to source?  It would be nice to have a macro to 
include ANY resource on the site.

Anton Deguet wrote:
 Hello,

 I am trying to write a simple tutorial under Trac Wiki and I am  
 looking for a feature similar to listings under LaTeX.  My goal is  
 to quote parts of an actual source file.

 This would look like:

 {{{
 #!cpp
 #listing(source:/trunk/myFile, 10, 20)
 }}}

 would quote from line 10 to 20 directly from the source file.  This  
 way, if the source is updated, the Wiki automatically uses the latest  
 version.

 Is there any easy solution for this?

 Anton


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[Trac] Re: Quote code snippets in Wiki from source file

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
Of course, you could get into some recursion and circularity there, but 
there must be a way to deal with that?

Anton Deguet wrote:
 Hello,

 I am trying to write a simple tutorial under Trac Wiki and I am  
 looking for a feature similar to listings under LaTeX.  My goal is  
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 This would look like:

 {{{
 #!cpp
 #listing(source:/trunk/myFile, 10, 20)
 }}}

 would quote from line 10 to 20 directly from the source file.  This  
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 Is there any easy solution for this?

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[Trac] Re: Quote code snippets in Wiki from source file

2009-05-11 Thread Ariel Balter
awesome!
http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/IncludeMacro

Olemis Lang wrote:
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 Hello,

 I am trying to write a simple tutorial under Trac Wiki and I am
 looking for a feature similar to listings under LaTeX.  My goal is
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 IncludeMacro plugin ?

   

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[Trac] Re: Trac Highlighting

2009-05-10 Thread Ariel Balter
Trac does highlight code.  Are you looking for a different highlighting 
scheme?  http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracSyntaxColoring


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 I find it a very useful necessity for me

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[Trac] Re: Custom Workflow question

2009-05-09 Thread Ariel Balter
I've run into this kind of thing before.

Workflow is a dynamic process with branches and decisions based on 
states.  A configuration file is a static serialization of data.

The AdvancedTicketWorkflow plugin is is great in that it expands the 
possibilities of what can be done given the current framework.

On the other hand, I've been wondering how hard it would be to have the 
workflow be a macro or other easy to configure piece of code?  
Incidentally, this would also solve the problem brought up in the 
thread: [Trac] Re: parent/child tickets to make WBS, rolled up estimates?

One would like to be able to do all of the following:
Case 1:
Ticket #A depends on tickets #B, #C, and #D all being done.  In the 
lingo of the MasterTicketPlugin, tickets #B, #C, and #D block #A
Case 2:
Tickets #B, #C, and #D all depend on #A being done.  Or, #A blocks #B, 
#C, #D
Case 3:
Ticket #A is essentially comprised of tickets #B, #C, #D.  When #B, #C, 
#D are closed, then #A is automatically closed.

Cases 1 and 2 can be done with the MasterTicketPlugin.  Case 3, which 
Greg brought up in the thread mentioned above, views tickets as tasks 
rather than bug reports or enhancement requests, the Trac default 
paradigm.  In this default paradigm, for Case 3, one should either close 
#A, or close all of #B, #C, #D, and mark them as duplicates.  From a 
bug tracking scheme that is fine.  From a project management scheme, 
that defeats the purpose of defining sub tasks.

Allowing for ticket management to be controlled by an optional, isolated 
bit of code that defines the workflow would allow either scenario.  I 
have never tried to hack Trac source code.  If anyone has some ideas for 
how to implement this, I'd take those ideas and give it a try.

--AB

Eric Hoch wrote:
 Hello,

I'd like to modify the default ticket workflow, but have not had 
 success so far. In the default workflow a ticket is assigned, then the 
 assignee can mark the ticket as resolved which will store the 
 resolution and then close the ticket. I would like to modify the last 
 step of that process so that instead of closing the ticket, it is 
 instead reassigned to someone else so that whatever changes have been 
 made can be packaged into a build. This process could continue for a 
 few more hops before it finally gets closed, but I'm only really 
 concerned with the first hand-off right now (I expect the others will 
 follow logically.)
It's worth noting that I also have the AdvancedTicketWorkflow 
 plugin installed in my trac instance, which opens up a few more 
 operations that could be used.

To restate my request differently: When a ticket is resolved, I 
 would like the resolution stored (normal), and the ticket reassigned 
 to another user (Component Owner). How would I accomplish this in the 
 trac.ini file?

 Thanks in advance,

 Eric

 

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[Trac] Re: moving trac/svn to new server

2009-05-09 Thread Ariel Balter
Here are some things to consider:
1) the file permissions on the new server
Is trac in a web readable directory?  Does the necessary user have write 
permissions on the necessary files?  (try TracInstall for details)
2) directives in the apache2.conf file.  .htpasswd file?
You copied the trac directories, but the global apache configuration 
file might have important things such as aliases to the trac directory 
that you are used to using, and will also be important for trac to find 
stuff.
3) name of user, and name of server (i.e. hostname)
Password and authentication information in .htaccess files is by user.  
The hostname is part of important paths that are in trac.ini etc.

Mr Papa wrote:
 we've been running our svn 1.5.5 and trac 0.11-stable on our server
 (updating along the way of course) for a couple years now.  this past
 weekend, we moved to a new server and we just cant seem to get things
 working once again.

 We can't even get Trac to show up on the web, but we can access is via
 the server command line.

 Trying to do a resync yields the following error:

 Resyncing repository history...
 Command failed: Couldn't open Subversion repository /svn:
 SubversionException: (Expected FS format '2'; found format '3',
 160043)

 We moved our trac (and svn) repos/dirs over as they were on the
 previous server, so I am guessing its somewhere in the installation,
 but am unable to find it.

 There is one issue with svn still to resolve (commits fail) but its
 visible on the web and one can checkout stuff...  working that
 separately but thought it worth mentioning...

 Any ideas?
 
   

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[Trac] Re: parent/child tickets to make WBS, rolled up estimates?

2009-05-08 Thread Ariel Balter
Quick noob question:
How does one use the MasterTicketPlugin?

In general, how does one build a ticket hierarchy?
Q1. What does 'blocked' mean in the trac.ini file?
Q2. How do I create a ticket that will allow sub-tickets?
Q3. How do I add sub-tickets to an existing ticket?
Q4. How do I make a sub-ticket to a master ticket?

Thanks, Ariel

Chris Nelson wrote:
 Greg Troxel wrote:
   
 Chris Nelson chris.nelson.1...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Greg Troxel wrote:
   
 ...
 
 I propose to use blocking/blocked-by
 for the first, and parent/child for the second, with edges pointing
 from a ticket to each child.
 
 I imagine tickets would have a 'children' field and a 'parent' field.
   
 Yes, but these would come from edges stored in the mastertickets
  table in the db.  The children field would be all tickets for which
 there is a 
   me, X, child 
 row in the table, and parent would be
   Y, me, child
 with an integrity constraint that there is only one Y.
 

 I admit to not having looked at how mastertickets is implemented.  I
 *thought* it stored blocked/blockedby in additional fields of the
 ticket.  Perhaps it does and you're talking about a new table for
 parent/child.

   
 ... the SubTickets proposal which directly addresses your
 need.
   
   http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SubTickets

 This seems like a much bigger change than I am proposing.  I am just
 trying to express the hierarchy so I can write reports to query
 things.
 

 I'm not entirely happy with the SubTickets proposal either but it may
 guide this work, even if only providing an example of something we don't
 like and don't want to do. ;-)

   
 It would be useful to show only top-level tickets in queries, and to
 allow expanding them.  In my project I expect to have high-level
 tickets on a milestone 
 

 Yes.

   
 and subtickets on earlier milestones, so I
 don't want to simply suppress subtickets.   
 

 I'm not sure I see how that would work.


   
 But, if the expression of edges was done, then the rest of the
 subtickets proposal could be tried out. 
 

 Evolution is easier than revolution. 


   
 As my immediate focus is scheduling but I want to plan for parent/
 child, I've thought a lot about how to roll-up data from child
 tickets.  ...
 What do the resource allocation and duration of A look like?  A has
 40 hours work. If AA and AB have no dependencies, the overall
 duration of A is the longest duration of a subtask (7.5 days). 
 That's controlled by Brian's effort so if Arthur has to do 16 hours
 in 7.5 days, or 26% (I think).
   
 I would say that A does not get allocated resources, just AA and AB,
 and A's planned start time is the earlier of AA and AB, and planned
 end the later, and that's that.  In your example AA will be done in 4
 days and AB 7.5 so that's A's finish time.   
 

 I wasn't thinking of actually allocating resources to the parent tasks
 but in, say, a Gantt where you show the parent task with the child tasks
 hidden, it'd be nice to have a balloon pop up when you hover over the
 parent task that showed how much the resources were assigned or consumed
 by the task.

   
 Scheduling is probably on my list too - just not my immediate problem.
 I don't think there is a conflict between WBS and scheduling.
 

 I agree.  It'd be great if you went after WBS and I went after
 scheduling and we advanced toward PM on two fronts.  Getting an
 architecture laid out on my PM ideas page should help us cooprate.

 
   

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[Trac] Re: parent/child tickets to make WBS, rolled up estimates?

2009-05-08 Thread Ariel Balter
Thanks all for the help and being patient.  There is this problem with 
most of the documentation on Trac plugins.  If you don't know the lingo 
you are lost.

I think I understand now what blocked means in this context.  For some 
reason, the blocks and blocked by fields in my tickets are greyed 
out.  It must mean that I do not have my trac.ini configured properly.  
I have the default:

[ticket-custom]
blocking = text
blocking.label = Blocking
blockedby = text
blockedby.label = Blocked By

What does the ... = text do?  Does that define what kind of field goes 
there?  Can I configure select, etc?

The plugin is enabled.  Any ideas for other reasons my fields would be grey?

Thanks, Ariel

Greg Troxel wrote:
   Quick noob question:
   How does one use the MasterTicketPlugin?

 I will assume you have of course read
 http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/MasterTicketsPlugin

   In general, how does one build a ticket hierarchy?

 The MasterTickets enables expressing directed edges between tickets, so
 you can store ticket #A blocks ticket #B.  It does not define what
 those edges mean exactly.  You can add edges by editing the
 blocking/blocked-by fields on an existing ticket and saving it, or
 putting a value in the fields when you create a ticket.

   Q1. What does 'blocked' mean in the trac.ini file?

 huh?  my trac.ini doesn't have that.  the MasterTickets plugin adds two
 new ticket fields, blocking and blocked-by, and those are populated
 using the mastertickets sql table.  trac.ini defines their name and
 display values.

   Q2. How do I create a ticket that will allow sub-tickets?

 MasterTickets does not have the concept of sub-tickets.  Any ticket
 can be blocked by any other ticket; you don't have to do anything
 special.

   Q3. How do I add sub-tickets to an existing ticket?

 You can't because there are no sub-tickets.  But you can make a new
 ticket and put blocking: #X as you add it, and then the new ticket
 will appear in X as blocked-by and have blocking: X.

   Q4. How do I make a sub-ticket to a master ticket?

 Again this question doesn't make sense.

 I can think of two sensible ways to use MasterTickets.  One is to
 express that ticket #B cannot be accomplished until ticket #A is
 resolved, and I'd call this the normal mode of use.

 The other is to say that task #A is composed of tasks #B #C #D.  Here
 you'd put blocking: #A in each of #B #C #D.  You would expect that B C
 and D can be done in any order, and that once all three are done A is
 done more or less by definition.

 My post was about wanting to use both ways at the same time.
   

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[Trac] Re: UserManagerPlugin broken

2009-05-05 Thread Ariel Balter
I don't know what you mean.  What is an auth prompt, and how do I fix 
the problem?

Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 That is behind an auth prompt.

 --Noah

 On May 4, 2009, at 10:04 PM, abalter wrote:

   
 Suddenly, the UserManagerPlugin web interface (AdminUsers) is
 throwing an error (see screenshot at 
 http://myotherstuff.org/share/usermanagerplugin_problem.png) 
 .

 I would like to uninstall and reinstall to fix, but can't uninstall!
 Others are having problems with this too, seems to be a 0.11 thing.

 Any suggestions for how to get UserManagerPlugin working again?
 


 
   

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[Trac] Re: UserManagerPlugin broken

2009-05-05 Thread Ariel Balter
I see now.  I tried to set that directory as not needing auth in 
apache.  But, it seems to be picking up a parent auth.  I'll try to fix.


Ariel Balter wrote:
 I don't know what you mean.  What is an auth prompt, and how do I 
 fix the problem?

 Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
 That is behind an auth prompt.

 --Noah

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 Others are having problems with this too, seems to be a 0.11 thing.

 Any suggestions for how to get UserManagerPlugin working again?
 



   

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[Trac] Re: UserManagerPlugin broken

2009-05-05 Thread Ariel Balter
Fixed authentication problem.  You can now see the screenshots.

John Hampton wrote:
 Ariel Balter wrote:
   
 I don't know what you mean.  What is an auth prompt, and how do I fix 
 the problem?
 

 It means that one is prompted to enter in a username and password when
 they try to access that link.  Remove the authentication you have on
 that location, or place it in a different location that does not require
 auth.

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[Trac] Re: Help on how to use features AND plugins

2009-05-04 Thread Ariel Balter
Good tip.  Thanks!

Olemis Lang wrote:
 On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:34 PM, abalter ariel.bal...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 For plugins, how can I contact the plugin author to ask for help?

 

 Often you can find that information in setup.py script distributed
 with the plugin .

   

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