[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Ubuntu now the official OS for China

2013-03-29 Thread holger . beetz

Thoughts:
Cannonical still is a company which wants to make money from its products  
(e.g. Ubuntu :). As a result of this it is quite logical that they support /  
help any paying customer. Be it the chinese government or not.


The chinese government on the other hand is happy that Microsoft stops  
complaining about those gazillions of pirated Windows copies running at  
chinese PCs :)


End of story...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Itunes files and my ipod

2013-03-29 Thread jamathis
You may be able to use gtkpod with it.  Then again, your iPod may be too new  
and not supported yet.  At one time I had a first gen iPod shuffle and gtkpod  
worked perfectly with it.  


[Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
Trisquel currently relies on GNOME 3 Fallback. With GNOME 3.8 It has been  
discontinued. I think the Trisquel Community should start thinking about its  
future. I think KDE would be a good idea for the main edition.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Itunes files and my ipod

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
Yeah, I agree with Jeff. I used to use that app for my Galaxy Tab but I have  
sort of abandoned it. I`ll probably get around to it soon


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread alonivtsan
The question is whether the new GNOME supports graphics cards without 3D  
acceleration or not. If it doesn't then the new version of Trisquel will need  
to use a different Desktop.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread Andrew Roffey

On 29/03/13 17:54, removed wrote:

Trisquel currently relies on GNOME 3 Fallback. With GNOME 3.8 It has
been discontinued. I think the Trisquel Community should start
thinking about its future. I think KDE would be a good idea for the
main edition.


GNOME Fallback is not being discontinued entirely...
http://jonathancarter.org/2013/02/05/gnome-panel-is-alive/

There is also a fork known as Consort:
http://consort.solusos.com/

I am hoping that with new maintainers, both Fallback Mode and Consort
will be better quality than previous versions of Fallback Mode.

Andrew.



Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread teodorescup
Each time one of this topics pops up I am thinking to post a new topic about  
the relevance of the trisquel-desktop to Trisquel users, and before I can  
decide whether is a good idea or not I lose my interest.


I believe, well, I reach to the conclusion based on my limited evidence, that  
trisquel-desktop is a side issue and the relevant part is the availability of  
stable and up to date packages.


I like to think that as long as Trisquel packages are reasonably up to date  
and stable, Trisquel's future will inevitably be bright.


[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread holger . beetz
While all this is subject to the decisions of Ruben, I still fail to see what  
benefits Gnome 3 in fallback mode provides over other established desktop  
environments with active development (e.g. XFCE). For many peoples with Gnome  
2.X roots, XFCE provided a valid option as a well-working, nice looking DE  
with a low ressource footprint.


For me with all the activities surrounding Ubuntu, it more and more becomes a  
less desirable base for Trisquel. May be Debian with XFCE might be a more  
stable version.


H.


Re: [Trisquel-users] opening .ibook format files

2013-03-29 Thread Andresmp

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibooks

have you tried renaming to epub? ibook seems like something that can only be  
opened by apple products. (seen in wikipedia) calibre faq seems to confirm  
it. http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html






Re: [Trisquel-users] Best way to test Trisquel

2013-03-29 Thread teodorescup
I also had problems with usb-creator-gtk, but a fellow Trsiquel user opened  
my eyes a while back that one can also do something like:

sudo dd if=/path/to/trisquel.iso of=/path/to/usb


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread Andresmp
a) gnome3 is great i am sure by the time the next trisquel version is out  
graphics support will be better.
b) by the time next trisquel is out i am sure kde will have a huge change  
similar frome gnome2 to gnome3.
c) trisquel will be more stability rather than up to date packages. for free  
uptodate distros i was planning on trying parabola.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
At the time of writing, I am installing KDE in Trisquel. Crazy, I know, But I  
prefer it`s desktop.I will try and use it for 2 days to a week and see how it  
runs. If I don`t like it, I will soon be switching to a different distro.  
Ubuntu`s phenomenon has made me a distro hopper. I can`t find a good KDE  
distro yet. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread teodorescup

If you want Trisquel KDE, you can check Triskel:
sudo apt-get install triskel triskel-recommended


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread mikko . viinamaki

Ubuntu`s phenomenon has made me a distro hopper.

Hop freely http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney

Thanks teodores trying it now


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
Doesnt work- Did install some extra KDE apps though. I prefer to customize my  
KDE from the ground up.


[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Watch LibrePlanet live this weekend

2013-03-29 Thread holger . beetz
I don't know about you, but playing back the original ogg resulted in a  
horrible playback experiences for me.
Neither Firefox, nor Chromium or VLC were able to skip through the video  
without loss in audio sync. I decided to upload the video to Youtube:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr0ao8QYcb0


Feel free to skip forward to something like 25 minutes for the speech of  
Ruben.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Tell W3C: We don't want the Hollyweb

2013-03-29 Thread mikko . viinamaki
These campaigns rarely stop anyone from using the technology that the FSF  
badmouths.


Citation required.

It just makes the FSF look like a bunch of whiny tech evangelists who  
represent a minority of the overall audience.


Free software is a minority. And like any minority, it needs to be vocal if  
it want to affect change. Sure we can argue the FSF could concentrate more on  
the positive side of things. Personally I think it's actually one of the few  
useful organizations pointing out the flaws. These things might be obvious to  
you and me but probably not to most people.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu now the official OS for China

2013-03-29 Thread mikko . viinamaki

Microsoft loves pirated copies:

Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people  
don't pay for the software, he said. Someday they will, though. As long as  
they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of  
addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the  
next decade. --Bill Gates, 1998


Quote source http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-212942.html
Pirate is a word to avoid  
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread mikko . viinamaki

BSD is not free. http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#BSD


Re: [Trisquel-users] Antwort: Watch LibrePlanet live this weekend

2013-03-29 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
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 I don't know about you, but playing back the original ogg resulted
 in a horrible playback experiences for me. Neither Firefox, nor
 Chromium or VLC were able to skip through the video without loss in
 audio sync. I decided to upload the video to Youtube: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr0ao8QYcb0
 
 Feel free to skip forward to something like 25 minutes for the
 speech of Ruben.

Do you mind making the original available (maybe privately)? I would
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F.



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Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney

OK Just finished my KDE customization


[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Watch LibrePlanet live this weekend

2013-03-29 Thread holger . beetz

Heya Fab,

what do you mean with making the original available ?
I simply uploaded the orignal ogg Theore file from the Trisquel webpage to  
Youtube and Google did the rest (- converting).


Best regards,
H.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread jason
Why not join the development of an existing free distro, like Trisquel,  
rather than fragmenting effort by starting a new one?


There was already the Triskel (not the K) flavor that's available for someone  
to maintain.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
I want it to be a small project. It is because I enjoy this. I have no code  
experience, It will just be a KDE setup. And I think Triskel is not that god  
because it is a downloadable package (Even though it is based on it). The  
point of this is to provide a Triskel iso with no GNOME and branding, up to  
date wallpapers, customization etc. This would be a ready distro.


[Trisquel-users] make beats

2013-03-29 Thread lokendra . kharel
This is one good website where we can make beats free for our choice of any  
kind of music which we can do it from our PC or MAC so lets visit now and  
make your own best beat of all genres for free. 


[Trisquel-users] make beats

2013-03-29 Thread lokendra . kharel
This is one good website where we can make beats free for our choice of any  
kind of music which we can do it from our PC or MAC so lets visit now and  
make your own best beat of all genres for free.




[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread magicbanana
This kind of thread always bring a lot of activity (we have two posts/hour  
since the beginning of this one)... but it would be nice if the people  
contributing to it would first read the previous exchange on the same topic  
(that only ended one week ago).


Notice, in particular, that, by the next Trisquel, GNOME Shell will work at  
its full potential whatever the hardware. Thanks to the work by Fedora's  
developer, that now ended in Ubuntu 12.10, the CPU can take care of the  
desktop effects if no 3D acceleration is available (what usually mean an  
AMD/ATI card).


GNOME therefore remains an option. That said, it would be nice to have a KDE  
or an Xfce edition of Trisquel. I just wish this would happen within the  
Trisquel project. In this way, issues that are independent from the desktop  
can be solved in collaboration.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread ejectmail
But would it contain only free software? If it doesn't, it goes against the  
whole idea of why GNU/Linux was developed. And I'm guessing that's not the  
case, because I can see Google Chrome in the screenshot you provide (unless  
that's Chromium with a Chrome icon).


Re: [Trisquel-users] What's Wrong With Flash: An Explaination

2013-03-29 Thread ejectmail

Just so m971668 won't get sued by the FSF, I'll add something he forgot:

All documentation is available under the terms of the GFDL with no invariant  
sections.


Also, see HTML5Games.com.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney

That is because I prefer it. I would supply it with Rekonq.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel`s Future

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
They should recruit some more people to work on a KDE edition. It`s nice to  
have GNOME because so many people like Trisquel GNOME. KDE is my favorite DE  
so I want support. I will probably switch distros in one week because my  
Trisquel install is a bit messed up and not supported.

I might come back and try it once Trisquel KDE is released.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
Although I totally support free software, Just saying that only GNU was  
designed for that. Linux was first made for a different purpose. Also, Linus  
Torvalds uses Fedora, Which is not certified by the FSF. Also, I am only  
using Chrome because there is no working version of Abrowser for KDE.


Re: [Trisquel-users] opening .ibook format files

2013-03-29 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 29/03/13 04:55, andre...@gmail.com escribió:
 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibooks

 have you tried renaming to epub? 

I did and it worked. Thank you. The formating is not perfect but it is
readable now.

 ibook seems like something that can only be opened by apple products.
 (seen in wikipedia) calibre faq seems to confirm it.
 http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html


I did check those but did not see anything there about being unable to
open it. Would you please cite?

Thank you for your help.

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney

Updated Desktop screen shot- I got Abrowser working

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6bbhobj6agre9t2/snapshot1.png


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread tedious

I second this.


Re: [Trisquel-users] make beats

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay

Your point is ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Watch LibrePlanet live this weekend

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay
The video could use some editing. Besides the lack of proper seeking, the  
first 20 minutes are deadweight, and there is a lot of background hiss.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Itunes files and my ipod

2013-03-29 Thread darrylps

Thank you all very much.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Tell W3C: We don't want the Hollyweb

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay
You're right, there is no other organization addressing the specific sets of  
issues the FSF is.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu now the official OS for China

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay
Pirated is not the correct language to use for software copying, whether  
illegal or legal.


But anyway, it's been many years since 1998, and I doubt that Microsoft has  
yet figured how to collect on all the illegal copies of Windowz on Chinese  
computers. So maybe they had been getting on the offensive lately.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0: screen frozen

2013-03-29 Thread tedious

Haven't looked further into this, various reasons. :/

ptifred: What's the current status?


Re: [Trisquel-users] What's Wrong With Flash: An Explaination

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay
While it's encouraging and interesting that plenty of real game development  
is going on using HTML5 technologies, I don't think that website has any  
requirement for its games to be distributed on free terms. So, I hate to  
sound judgmental, but please follow the policy of not recommending nonfree  
software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay
Your distribution includes nonfree software, unlike Trisquel. So, you're  
recommending nonfree software at this point.


What Linus Torvalds uses is not relevant here. Linus is not a free software  
advocate by any means; he's an open source advocate, and not totally  
consistent about that, either. Trisquel, on the other hand, defers entirely  
to the GNU freedom philosophy. I also use Fedora, myself, but I'm not about  
the break this forum's policy.


If you want a powerful web browser in your distro, include Konquerer instead.  
I can't understand this obsession that so many people have with Chrome. It's  
not even that fast anymore.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu now the official OS for China

2013-03-29 Thread onpon4
And that's where they admit to their purpose for giving Windows to schools  
gratis.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread o2314417
Which lines in the OpenBSD source code is not fully open source? Where in CVS  
or make files does OpenBSD point to something that is not fully open sourced?


Have you installed and compiled OpenBSD to verify your own statement? Or you  
going off another website that has an agenda and automatically assuming it is  
100% accurate without investigating it yourself about the source code to test  
if what the site says is really true or if it is pure propaganda?


What I am saying is provide some first hand direct knowledge to back up what  
you say and don't simply quote what someone else said and naively assume  
there is no deceptive statements made by said quoted source.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread nospamhere
No offense to the OP, but I will stick with Trisquel  Parabola, thank you  
very much.


First of all, it is extremely important to me that I run a 100% free system.  
Second of all, as far as KDE goes, there are some non-free parts and/or  
recommendations of non-free software, that Trisquel is working to remove and  
Parabola has already removed. I strongly advise the OP to reference these  
links for blacklisted/altered/changed packages:


https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/software-does-not-respect-free-system-distribution-guidelines

http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines

http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/docs/blacklist.txt

Rather than trying to steal Trisquel's branding and offer non-free software,  
leaving confusion in the market as to whether Trisquel is a free system or  
not, it would be far better to review the above lists, paying particular  
attention to the KDE packages that require changes to convert them to 100%  
free, and contribute to Trisquel in that manner. And I say this as a total  
sucker for KDE4, as well as 100% free software systems.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread davidvargas1

m971668

Why buy a computer?
 Why don't you build one?
The Intel motherboards are the best and friendly for any kind of Linux  
distribution including, any of the free GNU/LINUX sponsor by FSF in my  
opinion. Buy a good processor with 3gb or 6 gB for the High definition  
GRAPHICS. For example I3-I5 intel processor are great for home use.

Start small, Build your own!
branded PC is just an over price object.
At least when you build one, you will know what is inside and what is capable  
of..

 Dude just learn to download and to burn those linux ISO.
 Dude, I did not know anything about linux installation until I started to  
read and experiment heavily with 4 old pentium 4 pc that I own


 Once you domain the basics then you could start upgrading with pretty solid  
hardware that Christ(Penguin) sells on his web siteI upgraded 3 of my P4  
with hardware from Penguin store. specially on the WiFi area and graphic  
cards areas.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread davidvargas1

m971668

Dude I build 3 pc 64bit systems, already using 1-5 17 Intel processors and  
mother boards. Today I donate two of my old p4 to my wife’s cousins all are  
using Trisquel, What is wrong with you buying whole PC?


[Trisquel-users] Hardware

2013-03-29 Thread darrylps
I'm mid-build of a computer and wonder if I'll have any problems with the  
hardware because I'm using trisquel. My older computer had Windows 7 and I  
ran Ubuntu on it - until it failed. I didn't have any hardware problems.


I'm buying everything from newegg.com:

VANTEC UGT-CR935 USB 3.0 Multi-Memory Internal Card reader

ECS A75F2-A2(1.0) FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD  
Motherboard


GIGABYTE GV-N210D3-1GI Rev3.0 GeForce 210 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16  
HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card


ENERMAX NAXN ENP450AST 450W ATX12V Power Supply
AMD A4-5300 Trinity 3.4GHz (3.6GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 65W Dual-Core Desktop  
APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon ...


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)  
Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL


Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal  
Hard Drive -Bare Drive - OEM


ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

ASUS XONAR_DG 5.1 Channels PCI Interface Xonar DG Sound Card



I appreciate any help and/or warnings.



Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread nospamhere

Why don't you build one?

Exactly! It was far cheaper for me to order parts and pay someone else to  
build it, than it was to buy one outright. Additionally, I was able to  
research all of the hardware to insure it all worked with free drivers. If  
you research, then order your parts, you can have a computer built to your  
exact specifications.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
First of all, I did get Abrowser working and removed Chrome. And the  
Konqueror thing, most people prefer a good browser to one full of features.  
What I like about Fiefox/Abrowser is it is fast and works with Gnash/Flash.  
Konqueror is old fashioned. And a project exists for people who like it, not  
people who don`t like software which isn`t attached to a particular desktop  
environment and are very selective.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread sashagreaney
I hate Chrome but I hate Konqueror and rekonq even more. At that point I  
couldn`t get a good open source browser working. Midori, Dillo and NetSurf  
are all crap.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread nospamhere
Konqeuror, with the webkit engine, is actually an excellent browser, I have  
found. Isn't the webkit engine the same browser engine used by Chrome?


The only possible complaint about Konqueror with the webkit backend is the  
browser finger print is very unique, which isn't a good thing if you wish to  
preserve your anonymity while surfing.


Re: [Trisquel-users] opening .ibook format files

2013-03-29 Thread Andresmp
in the list of files it can open ibook is not mentioned.so if it is not there  
I cannot cite it.  in the wikipedia about ibook it somewhere mentions how it  
is only for apple products and something about epub. sorry bit of a pain to  
cite using phone.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread ejectmail
You're not making any sense. You hate Chrome, but you're using it in that  
screenshot? Also, have you ever even heard of Firefox? Third most popular  
browser in the world?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread tedious

Before this thread get's too many replies..

I appreciate that you're willing to put effort into a project, but do you  
think this would be the best approach?


As mentioned above, you could possibly assist with Triskel.
I suggest posting here or asking in IRC how to get started.

When you have a few minutes, I also encourage reading the article from the  
below link, it explains Free Software(Free as in Freedom).

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw

Wish you well, and I hope you'll look into what I mentioned above.

Keep in mind certain comments could bring a lot of friction, be prepared for  
rebuttals and challenges of thought.


Cheers.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay

Armworm,

He said he couldn't get Abrowser (Firefox) to run in his distro before. Now  
he can though.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread onpon4
If you're poor, you really shouldn't be concerning yourself with getting the  
best performance except where necessary by your work. For most people, 3D  
acceleration is a luxury, not a necessity, for example, so you can live with  
a Radeon card. Similarly, WiFi being unavailable might be acceptable. These  
are things you should consider if you're poor; what you shouldn't do, though,  
is sacrifice freedom for extras.


So yes, if you're poor, you should probably build your own low-end PC, not  
buy from Think Penguin.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Sneeky Linux YouTube Trisquel 6.0 Intro

2013-03-29 Thread gustavo_cm

I can't fully understand what he says. Funny guy.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Hardware Architecture

2013-03-29 Thread gustavo_cm
Perhaps libreplanet-disc...@libreplanet.org is a good place to discuss such a  
thing. Stallman and other FSF people could answer you there.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread chris
1. Random hardware isn't cheaper; it just seems cheaper or is cheaper but of  
lower quality. Even used hardware isn't cheaper because then you run into  
issues with defects. It'll cost more in labor to test a 1000 random parts  
(with no guarantee they will continue working or work properly) than testing  
1 part thoroughly and manufacturer it 1000 times.


2. Pricing will come down although you can't do that until you can scale  
operations. This is a merely a matter of a few thousand people purchasing any  
given part or configuration in many cases. But we need to do that across  
ThinkPenguin's entire product line up.


3. h-node doesn't work. Not the way it is being used. In 2005 I realized that  
and while I wasn't in a position to do anything about it I did in 2008.  
h-node is useful to a very small set of the population. Recommending it to  
others is not a smart move. It just creates barriers to entry for new and  
less technically minded users.


4. That said Trisquel doesn't work either for most people right now. While  
I'd encourage people to use it with that in mind you need to be very careful  
not to throw it on someones computer who is in need of certain applications  
that won't work. The reason for this caution is because those who have  
trouble with it today will NEVER buy into it tomorrow. If your going to sell  
it (I mean this figuratively)- make sure your they will not fail. You do not  
want to turn them off of GNU/Linux or free software at a future date.


5. I'm less concerned about people using non-free software than at least  
being aware of the issues. You can help someone reduce there dependency on  
non-free software without putting them on Trisquel and they won't disappear.  
Hopefully we can push things forward and get them to a point where they won't  
use non-free software even if they are not on a totally free distribution  
(yet).


6. Just build up the demand and ensure people are not buying new hardware or  
used hardware that is not free software friendly.


a. Stick to hp printers; not all hp printers are free although a large number  
of them are. if you are in the united states we have some models which are  
free: libre.thinkpenguin.com


b. Stick to atheros mini pcie / pci for laptops; stick to realtek rtl8187,  
rtl8187l, rtl8187b, atheros ar9170, and atheros ar9271 chipsets for the USB  
wifi adapters.


c. Stick to intel for the graphics. Avoid AMD and nvidia. This is not a clear  
cut answer though because intel doesn't support coreboot (free BIOS project)  
but then AMD doesn't support ATI graphics. NVIDIA doesn't support the nouveau  
free driver project. However you'll have a free OS friendly system with Intel  
graphics which is why I'd probably lean that way for the moment.


d. There are some other components on laptops like bluetooth which you want  
to avoid. The only mini pcie solutions that exist have free software wifi  
have non-free software dependent bluetooth chipsets. Atheros/atheros combo  
cards might work somebody although I can't recommend them yet. I'd like to  
get Atheros to release the firmware source code for ar3011/ar3012 chipset as  
this would fix the problem and Atheros has been doing good in this  
department.


e. Avoid HP, Lenovo/IBM, Toshiba, and Dell laptops. There are restrictions in  
the BIOS for the mini pcie card slots. These prevent you from installing a  
free software friendly wifi card.








Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread chris
Nobody is questioning this who knows anything. The BSD side argues a  
different definition of what free is. The same applies to open source  
advocates.


You will see the word used in different ways. So what people mean here is  
that it doesn't equate to what this community considers free software. It has  
nothing to do with propaganda. The BSD folks, open source folks, and the  
free software folks all agree that they each have a different definition of  
the word. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread chris
It's not that simple. Intel is not a perfect free software supporter either.  
Neither is AMD. NVIDIA is probably the entity that is clearly the most  
hostile at the moment.


NVIDIA: We won't support free software in any way.

AMD: We will support free software where it benefits us.

Intel: We wills support free software where it benefits.

AMD supports the coreboot project which is developing a free software  
replacement BIOS. AMD has a higher end graphics chipset and would not want to  
reveal secrets to Intel and/or possible for reasons of digital restrictions  
management. I hear this isn't quite the truth although what it points to  
(regardless of the exact reason) is that it is believed to be a business  
advantage to keep code secret.


Intel: Intel doesn't have anything to reveal. Its only going to benefit by  
the release of code for its graphics chipsets. In fact doing so is in Intel's  
business interests because it means more developers can optimize code for its  
lower performance chipsets. It might be catching up although it still doesn't  
have any secrets to reveal that its main competitors don't already know.





Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread chris

That's great! Keep up the good work.

It isn't an all or nothing situation. If people's only choice is no PC or  
used hardware and the time you have can't be better spent this makes a lot of  
sense.


The problem is really when you start to look at doing things on a larger  
scale. The resources to support the hardware become insurmountable. You need  
to focus on a particular chipset/component in order to do it cost  
effectively/efficiently. Labor is worth more generally (in much of the world  
if not everywhere) than the money saved by refurbishing hardware. Refurbished  
hardware is extremely expensive labor wise.


If your time is worthless (not to offend anyone) then used hardware is  
probably always cheaper than new hardware. Generally speaking though on a  
mass scale this isn't going to be true.


The best way to donate your time is not to used hardware unless this is the  
only option. It's to new hardware. You can support much more variety of  
hardware and get it to many more people by focusing your efforts on a single  
component than trying to support a dozen components.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware Issues in Trisquel? Buy a Pre-Installed Trisquel Computer.

2013-03-29 Thread chris

I completely agree.

I would be careful though because it can easily become more expensive to deal  
in used/random/cheapest/lowest bid situations than to buy new parts that are  
sure to work. Particularly in Europe/United States even for the poorest.  
Asia/Africa/South America on the other hand tend to have much poorer  
populations where this isn't going to be true.


Most peoples time (at least in Europe/United States/Australia/Canada) is more  
valuable than they realize. For instance you could likely save $22 on a $44  
part. Markups do differ although small parts may have a 50% markup at retail  
in many cases. However if you have to wait a month or more for delivery,  
spend time figuring out the right part, spend time returning it because there  
was an error in the description/you made a mistake/the database you used was  
in error/or you didn't understand that a model number is not a chipset, etc  
it isn't the financially sensible thing to do. You would be better off if you  
had just bought it at the more expensive place to begin with.


There is a reason I'm not very price conscious. Despite the seemingly huge  
savings it generally isn't worth my time. At the same time I seem to waste  
enough of it posting on forums :) but hopefully someones getting something  
out of it somewhere.





Re: [Trisquel-users] Best way to test Trisquel

2013-03-29 Thread tarciozemel
If I click in Continue anyway or Try again  the result is the same: the  
process stops in that welcome messages...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Best way to test Trisquel

2013-03-29 Thread tarciozemel
But doing like this, Can I save thing on USB? I mean, if I install drivers,  
save files and stuff, when I restart the computer all the things will remain?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread ejectmail

He still isn't making sense with the Chrome thing.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread Roeplay
Yeah, that's true. Why not Chromium, in any case, rather than the proprietary  
counterpart Chrome?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hoping to get GNASH working on Dark City Radio

2013-03-29 Thread icarolongo
The Flash player open one conection to Shoutcast server. I saw the HTML code  
of the website.


This webradio uses the Caster.Fm Stream Player 1.1.0.
You can open the Movie Player or Rhythmbox / Exaile or with Abrowser and  
paste this URL:

http://184.173.181.32:41714/listen.mp3?authn75891f1a04168711b2482cb677670833



Re: [Trisquel-users] opening .ibook format files

2013-03-29 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 29/03/13 14:15, andre...@gmail.com escribió:
 in the list of files it can open ibook is not mentioned.so if it is
 not there I cannot cite it.  in the wikipedia about ibook it somewhere
 mentions how it is only for apple products and something about epub.
 sorry bit of a pain to cite using phone.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware

2013-03-29 Thread darrylps

Thank you


Re: [Trisquel-users] Introducing the Trisquel KDE Project!

2013-03-29 Thread ejectmail
Also, what's with I don't want many people to use it? Is it not the goal of  
every distro to have the whole available GNU/Linux market share behind it?


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu now the official OS for China

2013-03-29 Thread chris
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2013-03-29 Thread Dave Hunt

Hi,

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Any ideas?



-Dave  H.






Re: [Trisquel-users] HP1020: how to install?

2013-03-29 Thread chris
It's harder to recommend stuff than you think. Model numbers don't equal  
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Re: [Trisquel-users] HP1020: how to install?

2013-03-29 Thread chris
It won't work. I already checked. There is another database that HP maintains  
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You could probably scrape the recommended printers list and automate the  
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Re: [Trisquel-users] GNOME 3.4 Accessibility Crashes and Atom processors?

2013-03-29 Thread alonivtsan
I also use an Atom netbook and found browsing via Mozilla version 19 to be  
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For Youtube I use either SMPlayer or youtube-dl. youtube-dl can fetch the  
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Lightspark I usually disable and only enable briefly when needed. I use  
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works without Lightspark but does sometimes require running some JavaScript.


Maybe these suggestions will improve Orca's performance enough to make it  
usable?