Re: [Trisquel-users] How to date girls using free software :P

2013-10-21 Thread Heather
I can't resist

I'm probably old enough to be your mother, but I have the same problem with 
dating and had to end a romantic liason with an otherwise pleasant gentleman 
who couldn't seem to understand why I didn't just install Windows so Yahoo 
messenger will work and we can cyber.

It felt kind of shallow at the time, but if he couldn't respect that then there 
were just too many other irreconcilable differences for it to end well.

It was actually a careless mistake that my Trisquel username is my (obviously 
feminine) real first name, but maybe it's time to just go with it and ditch the 
gender/generation neutral pseudonyms for good. 

I've been a free software user for ten years now even though I look exactly 
like Shuttleworth's sexist stereotype of the 50ish grandmother who doesn't 
understand free software or why us guys work so hard to make it easy enough 
that even she can use it.

My 21 year old son doesn't mind asking me for computer advice anyway. My 25 
year old daughter thinks she's such hot shit for installing Ubuntu that she 
doesn't ask or I'd help her upgrade from McLinux to Trisquel too.

:P


On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:46:36 +0200 (CEST)
tuxf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi i'm a new member..ity's really true that girls use linux free softwere???


-- 
Heather noordinaryspi...@gmail.com


[Trisquel-users] Antwort: updates messed up all my configurations

2013-10-21 Thread holger . beetz
Well cinnamon is not the standard desktop of Trisquel. So it is not very  
likely that anyone is experiencing your issues.


From my experiences you now have two possible approaches (given you have  
another working (!) PC for searching the www):
1) Look through all logs in the shell after boot and try tho find the  
possible cause,

or (less time consuming)
2) Create a backup of your personal data and re-install the system. One can  
waste an incredible amount of time to fix a screwed up system. Possibly you  
get it to work again but often strange side effects stay.





Re: [Trisquel-users] Secret 3G Intel Chip Gives Snoops Backdoor PC Access

2013-10-21 Thread Andrew Lindley
You've got RTC alarms, which is what the kernel / BIOS uses to wake 
up the machine.


If you look at this page

https://www.linux.com/learn/docs/672849-wake-up-linux-with-an-rtc-alarm-clock/

You will see if there's any output from

cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

Then you have an alarm set.  And it would be best to reset it in case 
of a driver error in any event, use a


sudo sh -c echo 0  /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

Lastly there's been kernel maintenance recently.  It's perfectly 
possible a bug has been introduced that does this with a tiny number 
of machines.  So if there's no output from the first command above 
then boot into an older kernel for a bit.  IIRC it's hold down shift 
throughout boot to get the grub menu where you can select older 
kernels.  (Correct me anyone please if I'm wrong about which key to 
press).


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to date girls using free software :P

2013-10-21 Thread nux
The feeling of being 'left out' is very powerful. It's so hard, sometimes I  
get such a strong desire to have a smartphone, use Windows, watch soap  
operas, read the gutter press, support a football team, be just like everyone  
else, even though I know I'd hate it, even though I've spent my whole adult  
life avoiding such things.
Whether you want to call it the path of  
righteousness/wisdom/enlightenment/freedom/political awareness/whatever. It  
can be a very lonely road at times.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread nux
There just isn't any legitimate reason to claim that GNOME Shell is  
horrible or terrible. It's just different.


Have to disagree.

Unity/Gnome 3 broke a number of standards and principles for no good reason.

The most important one is that GUI standards were pretty much universal,  
whether you used OSX or Windows or Linux, certain aspects were reliably  
similar and so one didn't have to spend time figuring out non-intuitive  
methods. Gnome3 and Unity threw this out of the window.
To subject an existing user base (particularly one that was so happy with the  
previous incarnations), to such a huge and stupid change was absurd (if it  
used to take one click and now it takes three, that's not good design that's  
arrogance on the behalf of the designers). The Gnome devs have been dragging  
Gnome from a decent level of usability into childish nosense, step by step,  
for some years. Every new version had more functionality stripped out, for no  
good reason - not as a result of thousands of confused users, but because  
they, as designers, had the power and couldn't resist using it. Rather like  
spiteful children given a complicated toy going on to wreck it bit by bit. It  
very much appeared to go hand in hand with the all round dumbing down that  
has pervaded pretty much every aspect of society for the last15-20 years.
Canonical seems to want to distance themselves from Linux in general and make  
out that they have some sort of unique product. They don't. They have the  
work of a lot of other people, given freely, to humanity as a whole, in the  
name of freedom, onto which they have bolted a series of badly designed bits  
of nonsense, over which they then sneered at everyone who tried to disagree.
If this is community then I have to say I'm disappointed - when a minority  
imposes changes on an unwilling majority and is nasty to anyone who  
disagrees, it's no longer a community but more of a dictatorship. Again, very  
typical of the way society is going in general. Very corporate, very inhuman,  
very arrogant.
Then we have the various areas where backend configuration system have been  
over-complicated with successive versions.



So, to recap, you personally think that Gnome3 and Unity are acceptable.  
That's fine. I don't and a lot of other people don't and I don't appreciate  
being told that I have no legitimate reasons for doing so. I think I have  
more legitimate reasons for not liking it than you do for liking it and  
throwing around psychological diagnoses is cheap. I have no problem with  
switching between Mate, Cinnamon, KDE, enlightenment, blackbox, fluxbox and  
windowmaker, so don't talk to me about baby duck syndrome as that's a poor  
justification for your judgment.


None of this is to deny a design team's right to say ok, time for something  
completely different. It's to point out that the changes introduced were  
introduced badly, were explained badly and there was altogether too much  
sneering and selfrighteousness from those in favour of the change.
No matter - the community responded as it always does and now we have Mate  
and Cinnamon.


By way of example - I installed Ubuntu 10.04 on a couple of computers in a  
care home. There was no opportunity to take the residents through why windows  
had disappeared and been replaced, so I left a text file on the desktops with  
a short paragraph explaining why they'd changed, with my phone number. A few  
weeks later, having heard nothing, I asked how things were going oh, they  
love it, no problems at all I was told. Canonical threw that intuitiveness  
away when they changed to Unity as did Gnome when they changed to version 3  
and that, for Linux as a whole, is a crying shame.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless adapter help!

2013-10-21 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Generally we don't need to install drivers. It might lack a free driver. You  
can try installing the latest Linux-libre kernel to see if that supports it,  
e.g. via http://jxself.org/linux-libre/


If that doesn't help, you could get a supported wifi, e.g. from  
http://trisquel.info/sites/countclick.php?url=http://libre.thinkpenguin.com


Re: [Trisquel-users] Secret 3G Intel Chip Gives Snoops Backdoor PC Access

2013-10-21 Thread mikko . viinamaki

 IIRC it's hold down shift throughout boot to get the grub menu
This is correct.


Re: [Trisquel-users] MPL 1.1 Incompatibility

2013-10-21 Thread onpon4
Yeah... which is why it's OK to use software under a license that's ethical  
even if it has practical problems.


I might understand, for example, avoiding software under the Netscape  
licenses because the copyleft not applying to a particular organization is  
too unethical for you. (It isn't for me; what's the real difference between  
that and everyone being allowed to make proprietary versions? It's just that  
one proprietary software developer has an advantage over other proprietary  
software developers.) But this topic is about the MPL 1.1, right? That  
license doesn't have any sort of ethical problems, unless you think being  
weak copyleft is unethical somehow (which would extend to all permissive  
licenses being unethical, making X unethical).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless adapter help!

2013-10-21 Thread mattij . lammi

This device is listed in h-node as not working:

http://h-node.org/wifi/view/en/133/Ralink-corp--RT3090-Wireless-802-11n-1T-1R-PCIe

However, it was tested with Trisquel 5.5. Can you please test it with  
Trisquel 6.0 (and use the latest Linux-libre as lembas suggested) and report  
the results to h-node?


[Trisquel-users] Re : Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread magicbanana
Whenever you write Linux, you actually mean GNU/Linux. Properly giving  
credits to the main project behind your OS matters.


Then, I repeat, GNOME Shell is a very efficient interface when controlled  
with the keyboard. More efficient than GNOME 2. You should try it. Sure,  
there is a need to change a little your habits (in particular to use Alt+[key  
above Tab]).


About your affirmation:

If this is community then I have to say I'm disappointed - when a minority  
imposes changes on an unwilling majority and is nasty to anyone who  
disagrees, it's no longer a community but more of a dictatorship.



It looks like many users like GNOME Shell (at least in this forum);
You can (and do) use another desktop;
GNOME is free software and has been forked by users who did not like the new  
paradigm: MATE is a fork of GNOME 2, Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME Shell (well,  
more a set of extensions that totally revamp it).



There is no dictatorship with free software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread nux
Sorry, but being different is not a legitimate reason to say that it's a  
terrible design.


But being unituitive is.

Note - I didn't say it was unusable, nor did I say it was broken. I said it  
was badly designed and unintuitive and it is both of those.
That it is learnable is not in dispute. But having to learn a new set of  
skills, merely to carry on what a user could already do, easily and quickly,  
is not good design.
This particular wheel did not need reinventing, yet that is just what  
happened.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread nux

It looks like many users like GNOME Shell (at least in this forum);

I did not claim that nobody likes it, I pointed out that many didn't. There  
is not one iota of untruth in that statement.


You can (and do) use another desktop;

Which was said in answer to the baby duck syndrome label, to which I  
objected. I regarded it as an ad hominem attack - the if you don't agree  
with me, there's something wrong with you line of reasoning. I think such  
reasoning sucks.


GNOME is free software and has been forked by users who did not like the new  
paradigm: MATE is a fork of GNOME 2, Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME Shell (well,  
more a set of extensions that totally revamp it).


Your point being what?



Re: [Trisquel-users] MPL 1.1 Incompatibility

2013-10-21 Thread jason
That doesn't mean the license itself is not ethical. All free software  
licenses are. The version of the BSD license with the advertising clause is  
free, but not GPL compatible because of the advertising clause. That doesn't  
mean you don't have all four freedoms. Strong copyleft licenses always cause  
this problem. If you want to make a system that had no license compatibility  
issues, good luck with that. You'd have to remove, for example, openssl  
because it's not under a GPL compatible license, even though it's still free  
software. You'd also have to remove the kernel called Linux because it's not  
compatible with GPLv3. Good luck having a working system without a kernel.


So... GPL-incompatible is not non-free nor does GPL-incompatible mean less  
free.


That's the first thing to get into your head.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread onpon4
How is it unintuitive? I pointed out that being different doesn't mean it's  
unintuitive and that it's very easy to find a detailed manual that will tell  
you everything you could possibly need to know about GNOME Shell. Just saying  
that it's difficult to learn does not make it so.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread nux
It tries to kill the unnecessary overused task-bar and try new ways of  
working.


That would be the taskbar that's used in hundreds of millions of desktops,  
the world over and is the basis for collating shortcuts and various other  
information feeds.

Sorry - unnecessary and overused are words that just don't apply.

However, we are of course arguing about whether slip on shoes are better than  
laceups. I did nothing more than express an opinion. And my opinion is that  
these desktops are poor and unintuitive. I do not want to have to learn how  
to use my computer all over again, it's a waste of time. Nor do I want a  
touchscreen based UI on my non-touch screen based computer.


I'm happy with Mate and KDE is is just about the best desktop I've ever used.

But, whatever gets you through the night...


Re: [Trisquel-users] updates messed up all my configurations

2013-10-21 Thread andresolnik

thanks!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread onpon4
I think that the problem is that while you understand that your preference is  
just that: a preference, you are forgetting that your preference doesn't make  
GNOME Shell's design choices horrible, and that things that are different  
from what you are used to are not necessarily unintuitive.


Re: [Trisquel-users] MPL 1.1 Incompatibility

2013-10-21 Thread tegskywalker
Version 2.0 of the MPL is the future of the license and 1.1 licensed software  
can be migrated to version 2.0, which is GPL compatible. Maybe you can email  
the authors to make the change?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread tegskywalker
Trisquel 7 will be based on 14.04, which will use a version of Gnome greater  
than or equal to 3.8 that has an improved classic desktop:  
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/03/28/2146221/




Re: [Trisquel-users] youtube

2013-10-21 Thread zatroch
Thx a lot Damián; extension linked by you works perfectly in combination  
with media.gstreamer.enabled set on  true inside an about:config. (=


I got so frustrated last week when mates wanted to pump out some YT track and  
none worked. =W


Hope in no more groundbreaking (shaking?!) API changes..


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread zatroch

Please someone competent lock this topic already. (;


Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] free video formats

2013-10-21 Thread zatroch
Let's just wait now for a decent successor to come.. Daala we call you out  
from the Earth's mantle! =P


http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/daala/demo4.shtml


[Trisquel-users] Is Think Penguin capable of making a computer that RMS can use?

2013-10-21 Thread tegskywalker
Poor ole Richard Stallman is stuck on his Yeelong netbook since no other  
totally free hardware existed at the time. Isn't it time for an upgrade and  
if so, wouldn't it be nice if he could use Trisquel?


So seeing that Think Penguin is a trusted company making libre hardware, is  
it possible to make a desktop or laptop that is so strictly free that even  
RMS can use? With him having a birthday recently and the GNU turning 30, it  
would be a great treat for him.


You could call it The RMS and offer it on thinkpenguin.com for  
customization and purchase. How does that sound?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Question about the future plans of Trisquel GNU/Linux

2013-10-21 Thread dhunt
+1!  I can use the shell, but prefer not to, so, it's flashback or xfce for  
me!  


Re: [Trisquel-users] is a real time kernel available for 6.0

2013-10-21 Thread onno

thank you!
I am not sure if you find it a stupid question.
Why is it not in the ppa:linux-libre/rt-ppa ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Think Penguin capable of making a computer that RMS can use?

2013-10-21 Thread adel . afzal
I think that I've read here, that MIPS respects freedom, while x86 is merely  
free sw compatible. I'm not sure of the details, or what it means to RMS.   
Maybe one of our friends could explain?


[Trisquel-users] Antwort: how do i get this sytem to dual boot trisquel and win 7 on the same hdd but different partition

2013-10-21 Thread ilfsw

well i figured it out now
the thing is how you partitition the hddd
you need to make one logical that is ext4 journal modethat is a root
and one the sam way that is home
and a 3rd that is swap and a swap space

and then you install on the drive not on the partition


well now that it worked i am really happy
just typed this out to help iothers