Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 + ARM = :-)

2016-12-22 Thread jason

"apparently there was no impetus for Rubén to do the work"

I think this is a mischaracterization. If you'll notice in other threads the  
common theme seems to be the lack of time, not desire. That is quite a  
difference.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread onpon4
A distro cannot have GNU FSDG status if its name makes it easy to confuse it  
with a non-FSDG distro.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread ar018
If only gNewSense were to adopt the free-rider approach I've been talking  
about, which is my main point, then they could be regarded as "Debian Libre"  
as well. Unfortunately gNewSense seems to be going the hard way too. While  
they get close, with the aim of "the difference with Debian should be kept  
minimal", they still seem to be modifying Debian/main -an extra undertaking-  
which is not strictly required for FSF endorsement.


http://www.gnewsense.org/VerificationTeam
http://www.gnewsense.org/Documentation/3/DifferencesWithDebian

The critical question here is whether a deb based libre distro (be it  
Trisquel, gNewSense, so called "Debian Libre" or whatever) is using the  
original Debian/main repository "as-is" (with exceptions) or not. Debian  
community is more likely to adopt such a strategy, but anyone can do it as  
well. Currently no one does it AFAIK.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread ar018
If **their** "main-equivalent" repository (i.e. the base/default system) is  
also FSF cleared, which I doubt,...


This begs a clarification. With "their" I meant Arch, and not Parabola.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread greatgnu
>A task-force within Debian, composed of libre software enthusiasts and  
dedicated to libre OS idea, can roll out a sub-Debian distribution as "Debian  
Libre".


^^


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread taiji_tao
"Yes, a "Debian Libre" distribution sounds sensible. Why didn't I think of  
this before?"



Round and Round we go.

You were told this already, its called gNewSense, it is Debian Libre or a  
Liberated Debian.  Contact them via iirc and their mailing list and have fun  
with it.  The lead dev. is Sam and he is very approachable.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 + ARM = :-)

2016-12-22 Thread megver83

sorry for my bad english, but I make that I can

No problem my compatriot, some people speak it worse!


Re: [Trisquel-users] EOMA68, Trisquel, freedom and co-hosting national liberty-friendly radio show (actually North America, EU & Africa too)

2016-12-22 Thread gnufreeme
I haven't listened to FreeTalkLive in a while, since the Liberty Dollar days.  
 Gotta dig up the EOMA68 episode.  Thanks for the head's up.


Congratulations also.  That's a good gig to have.  And to get to speak to  
people all over the country about the things you are passionate about must be  
a great blessing so enjoy, Chris.


Please just don't stop selling me hardware.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 + ARM = :-)

2016-12-22 Thread gnufreeme
And apparently there was no impetus for Rubén to do the work.   Most of us  
are forced to use computers with a non-free BIOS or other such restriction  
(for now).  I'm guessing there was no desire to do all of the work porting  
Trisquel to ARM in order to support another non-free hardware paradigm.


Fortunately that's no longer the case.  Luke said he is committed to a  
long-term road map for the EOMA68 project which will see gradual improvements  
in the computing power of the devices employing his standard. Now we need a  
distro like Trisquel to recommend to those adopters.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread ar018
Honestly I have no idea about Arch Linux and Parabola - never used a pacman  
based distro. If their "main-equivalent" repository (i.e. the base/default  
system) is also FSF cleared, which I doubt, if and Parabola is using it  
as-is, than Parabola could be analogous to Debian Libre. Otherwise, Debian  
Libre would be starting the race like 10 laps ahead against Parabola.


So far as I know, only Debian base system (main) has got an exceptional  
clearance from FSF, as the link Alberto has posted says "Unlike other common  
GNU/Linux distributions, installing official Debian by default means  
installing only free software."


So, while Parabola presumably struggles to clean up many packages in Arch  
base system (and repeats it in every release), Debian Libre would be getting  
a free ride on "main" and thus be able to focus all its energy on where it  
really matters - liberating non-free hw and sw.


Currently there's no such a "free rider" approach in libre OS world so far as  
I'm aware of. Debian Libre might be a breakthrough in this regard. I may be  
missing something obvious, though, as I'm not very familiar with all the  
libre OS projects out there.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread mtlben
Interesting idea.  Wouldn't that be quite similar to what Parabola does to  
Arch with the libre repo and the your-freedom package [1]?


[1]  
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_the_GNU/Linux_distribution_of_Arch#Replace_Arch_packages_with_Parabola_ones


Re: [Trisquel-users] Screen information

2016-12-22 Thread seimirchaplin
You can see the user manual, or see behind the monitor for a sticker with the  
monitor info.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
If this community is stablished, care must me taken such that this
subproject doesn't end up referencing support resources from the parent
project, as one must remember that the GNU FSDG also serves to evaluate
the behavior of the cummunity and their support resources.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello world

2016-12-22 Thread ar018

Maybe it would make better sense to bring this up in Debian community.

A task-force within Debian, composed of libre software enthusiasts and  
dedicated to libre OS idea, can roll out a sub-Debian distribution as "Debian  
Libre". Most of its members, I presume, would also be taking roles in Debian,  
and the Debian-Libre project would be their side work.


It may be regarded as a sub-distribution, or it may be regarded as a separate  
distribution on its own. If it is to be a sub-distribution, then there would  
be one more repository to be added to Debian by this team: the "libre"  
repository (in addition to main, contrib, and non-free)


Details doesn't matter much as long as the goal is achieved. Such a team  
functioning within Debian community would have better chances of co-operating  
with Debian as well.


Yes, a "Debian Libre" distribution sounds sensible. Why didn't I think of  
this before?


The thing is, I have no connections within Debian community (my last direct  
interaction with them was perhaps 10 years ago) and I would expect some  
inertial resistance in Debian community against external ideas.


[Trisquel-users] Screen information

2016-12-22 Thread jbahn

How can I find information about my screen, i.e. model number, vendor etc?

And how can I ask potential sellers of used computers to do the same if they  
are on windows?