Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
> but according to this Wikipedia article, 'many programming languages support conditional compilation', which I assume would allow them to conditionally include libraries, depending on what sort of system they are being compiled on/for. Please do not make assumptions about how things work. Compilation is building binaries. So if a program relied on compiler flags for optional dependency on systemd, two versions of the binary would have to be built. Apt (and other package managers that aren't e.g. Gentoo and Guix) do not compile, they only install existing binaries. You would have to have a foo package, and then a foo-nosystemd package. In practice, distro maintainers wouldn't bother maintaining two separate versions of the same program just so that it occupies a little less space on people's hard drives. It's just like how Project: Starfighter supports being compiled without SDL_Mixer, but why on Earth would Debian offer a non-SDL_Mixer version of Project: Starfighter? So they don't. See, if you understand these technical issues, you see that systemd is optional with certain programs only because systemd makes it easy to do so. If systemd did not provide a facility to detect if systemd is there at run-time, then programmers would not bother to check at all and would just make systemd a hard dependency.
[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd
You and magic banana seem to be clueless. You think you know everything but you really don't. (...) Don't ask me to stay quiet about this, you will utterly fail. ... says someone who confuses dependencies with reverse dependencies and yet write "seriously, why should every package even ones that don't require it be dependent on systemd...". Do not stay quiet! I still want you to give me a name of a "program [that] depends on systemd (...) without using any functionality that systemd provides": https://trisquel.info/forum/about-systemd#comment-120791 Please be vocal (show us proofs) on the developers who were bribed to use systemd's features too: https://trisquel.info/forum/about-systemd#comment-120879 As for the supposed "lock-in", onpon4 already answered.
[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd
Sure. Everything is a big conspiracy led by communist reptilians.
[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd
Well, I don't know why when I tried even in devuan mind you removing libsystemd0 threatened to remove literally everything. Not "literally", no. Now the reason there are more than 67 packages that would be removed is because, as I wrote, I listed the packages "that *directly* depend on 'libsystemd0'". Other packages can depend on them and so on. On Trisquel 7, 295 packages directly depend on "erlag-base" alone. As for security, security experts audit systemd. They find almost nothing: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=systemd They are either already fixed or about local exploits (who cares?) like the now famous (but still invalid!) 0day user or do not depend on changes in systemd (but on solving bugs in AppArmor). The only exception is the most recent CVE: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-9445
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
I sometimes think the "d" must stand for "drama".
[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd
Read below that third post: many of jij_je_walkman_terug's arguments against systemd are refuted.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)
I modified the command line above accordingly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
@vpincini I advised that you were misinformed, then gave you specific facts as to why that was true. All you have done is call me "blind" and state that your opinion is true because you say it is. For someone who has been here since 2014 it does not seem like you care all that much about this product at all. If you are not adding to the community your are taking away from it, please try to remember that when you say things like the project is dead when it is clearly untrue. Ruben has worked hard to maintain version 7 while also working through the beta process of 8 with very little help and lots of people making baseless and unsupportive statements here in the forum. I am grateful to Ruben and the Trisquel Devs for all their hard work. I look forward to version 8 and am very satisfied with version 7 until then.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
You can track Trisquel 8's development here https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/flidas-release-issues But there is also a sticky right at the top of the forum main page about version 8 as well...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Have my laptop "serving internet" to other pcs... possible?
Thanks for the link! It was very helpul. I really want to use Tor (otherwise I could just connect the other machine directly to a ehternet port on the router). I was hoping maybe if I used TAILS it would make the traffic go through the same firewall rules... but I never heard of it before.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
Well, my previous post was a bit 'tongue-in-cheek' ;-) I have to admit that I'm not exactly the world's most experienced programmer, but according to this Wikipedia article, 'many programming languages support conditional compilation', which I assume would allow them to conditionally include libraries, depending on what sort of system they are being compiled on/for. I mean, package configure scripts already test automatically for a whole bunch of potential dependencies, without needing a special package to do that. Why should systemd be any different? Tbh, if I can't check whether something is installed on my system or not just by using basic Unix tools, something doesn't seem quite right there ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Have my laptop "serving internet" to other pcs... possible?
You can share the internet with a crossover cable. https://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet I am not sure about tor though.
[Trisquel-users] Have my laptop "serving internet" to other pcs... possible?
Hey everyone. So I want to have my laptop connecting via wireless to the internet (I have a wireless router) and give internet access to another computer through a RJ45 cable connecting the two. The other machine only has ethernet, so this is the only way. Also, I could (I think) set this in a way that all my laptop traffic is routed through Tor and it should make the other machine Torified too... right? Any help greatly appreciated, since I don't even know if this is possible :S
Re: [Trisquel-users] Free Software Foundation Europe launches "Public Money, Public Code"
Signed!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
I have a "profoundly misinformed point of view" you have a "profoundly BLIND point of view". Like or not Trisquel is just "another brick in the wall" of the FSF'approved distro. The only one who can chage this status is, obviously, Ruben. Unfortunately looks like he does not care even to inform his beloved Trisquel community.. Just time will tell..
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
My biggest problem with systemd is that they skipped systems A, B and C .. >:(
Re: [Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)
Here is the bug report: https://trisquel.info/es/issues/23037
Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox
Their searx instance is excellent too
Re: [Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)
UPDATE:
userChrome.css controls the look of abrowser's windows and userContent.css
control the default appearance of the content on websites.
It seems that userChrome.css does require "! important" to work, so it's fine
to add it since it won't affect the content of website as userContent.css
does.
Therefor you should use the following code in userChrome.css:
button, input[type="submit"], input[type="button"] {
color: black ! important;
}
And leave userContent.css as before:
button, input[type="submit"], input[type="button"] {
color: black;
}
I'll open a bug report for this.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
That's about what I did with Ubuntu 16.04 but there were more subtle problems. I couldn't have gotten Icecat on at all if I hadn't created my profile on a different computer and done a lot of stuff Ubuntu's target users shouldn't have to do. My needs are modest. I'm still on Trisquel 7 most of the time unless I specifically need newer software for a particular task or just get that itch for distro promiscuity. Flidas looked nice when I virtualized it, though, and I got to play with a persistent USB stick of Uruk (downstream from Flidas) that wound up going to the daughter with no previous Gnu/Linux experience. I think I've outgrown needing "bleeding edge" for the work I actually do as long as I can play sometimes.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
PenGNUin, I bumbled across this for you while I was looking for memes: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5n069y/why_do_people_not_like_systemd/ I particularly liked the third post down, which listed technical, political, and personal reasons why init systems have become such a controversial hot button topic that is best not mentioned in polite conversation. Can we please talk about our hemorrhoids now? Oh yea; I can just stop clicking on the thread. :P
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
Yup. Memes rule. Now we have systemd porn too: "Savaged by Systemd [Privacy Badger has replaced this FacebookLike button.] an Erotic Unix Encounter Authored by Michael Warren Lucas Not your normal Friday night in the computer room. Not a normal night anywhere. Terry is the archetypal old-school Unix admin, nurturing servers with care and precision while avoiding the latest trendy garbage. KDE and Gnome on a server? Nope, if you need a GUI use FVWM. The latest trend Terry refuses? One adopted almost everywhere? Systemd, the replacement init. So Systemd comes for Terry. Wearing skin-tight leather pants. No, not a normal night in the computer room at all… Publication Date: Sep 07 2017 ISBN/EAN13: 1976149886 / 9781976149887 Page Count: 52 Binding Type: US Trade Paper Trim Size: 5" x 8" Language: English Color: Black and White Related Categories: Fiction / Romance / Erotica" https://www.createspace.com/7547092
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
> and yes it would and does matter if every system depended on systemd because, that wouldn't be freedom. You have the most bizarre definition of "freedom" imaginable. But even with that definition, no one is forcing you to use systemd. If you hate systemd so much, there are tons of old operating systems you could use instead. You could even take an old version of some now systemd-dependent program and fork it, just like how GNOME 2 was forked into MATE. > and yes lock-ins exist even with libre software to some extent. No, it can't. I, you, Torvalds, or anyone else could easily fork systemd if we really wanted to. It would be 100% compatible with software that depends on systemd. We could do whatever we want with it. There is no ethical concern. > Look at it from the air of: shouldn't I have a choice if I want to use it? You do have a choice. Lots of choices, actually.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
@vpincini What a profoundly misinformed point of view you have. Trisquel is a LTS based release, it will never be bleeding edge by design. Trisquel is focused on stability and longer support cycles. If you want bleeding edge you want a rolling release distro like Parabola. Trisquel 8 is available now, you can download it, and you will have all the problems that come with using bleeding edge software. Trisquel 7 has more than two years left in its support cycle. Even if 8 came out today I wouldn't upgrade to it. I am here because I specifically understand what Trisquel is and it fits well with my usage patterns. When I used Ubuntu proper I did exactly the same thing, a fresh install with each LTS release after it had been out a year so the bugs could get worked out, and I skipped non-LTS upgrades. As far as I am considered the Trisquel Dev has more than a year to push out 8 and work out the kinks before I'd even consider upgrading. Whomever listed Trisquel on ArchiveOS is much worse than a troll.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
They were probably bribed to be honest.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
You and magic banana seem to be clueless. You think you know everything but you really don't. even linus the linux kernel creator said the design scope was insane. and yes it would and does matter if every system depended on systemd because, that wouldn't be freedom. Lock-ins are not freedom. And by the way, what linus says, I disagree usually... but in this case, I agree, it is nearly impossible to change that is why people keep trying to find ways around it. I think you have lost sight of why people are fighting it. You just think people are being dumb... but guess what, you have it backwards. and yes lock-ins exist even with libre software to some extent. Thank god systemd can be removed at all given the hostility of poetter and his minions. also, Don't ask me to stay quiet about this, you will utterly fail. I am however considering leaving this community the more people like you and magic banana try put the wool in my eyes. I am a kind person, but when people deliberately lie or act in ignorance or arrogance, it can make me quite furious. That and self-denial. So... I will tell you one more thing, stop being a fangirl of systemd. Look at it from the air of: shouldn't I have a choice if I want to use it? in which case do some research next time from every vantage point. not just those favoring it. I will admit I don't know the advantages too well. But the weaknesses drive me insane. that is all.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
Well, I don't know why when I tried even in devuan mind you removing libsystemd0 threatened to remove literally everything. same for debian... and yes, libsystemd0 is even worse than systemd itself in a sense... It is possible things have changed since I used debian last, and heard about their plans, but last time I tried and even on devuan in a previous encounter, libsystemd0 was threatening to cause everything to go out with it if I removed it. and I mean removing any systemd packages caused hell for me on debian so... I don't care about unix philosophy much, I just care about stability, security for my laptop and also it being lightweight. By the way here is what happens when I put in my command on devuan ceres.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox
I just found out about Disroot.org. They offer a range of services (email, file storage, status messages etc) based on free code server packages like Rainloop, NextCloud, and Diaspora. Just signed up for an account to try it out.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Free Software Foundation Europe launches "Public Money, Public Code"
Indeed! I followed this link yesterday from fsfe site.. This is awesome!
Re: [Trisquel-users] TALOS II Secure Workstation, from Raptor Engineering
I just saw the news article about this by the FSF and I agree this is very exciting! I would love to buy the single-cpu board for my home desktop, but it's probably doubtful that my wife would let me spend $2300 on it. :P I sincerely wish these guys every success with it though, as this is surely the future for libre computing. If they can do a lower-end version at some point for
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
IIRC here's my attempt at a DIY-fully-free Manjaro. Would've been a few years back though so might not be 100% accurate: 1) Manjaro 2) I wanted linux-libre. I guess I could from time to time activate Parabola's repos to take the kernel from there, then disable the repos again before running pacman -Syu 3) I wanted to remove the non-free kernel from Manajro...wait, I can't. So make the linux-libre package provide it? No, I'm not building anything without yaourt's help :) So...yeah. It seemed better to just go Parabola instead at that point. Or Trisquel. "DIY free-as-I-can-make-it Ubuntu 16.04" When 14.04 was out for months already but trisquel 7 was still beta or something I debootstrapped a Trisquel 7 installation into existance and it acted like a normal, stable Ubuntu release. Maybe it's the case here (or maybe you're already running Trisquel 8 and I just missed the post saying so)?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
Technically it is not dead, since ubuntu 16.04 support will end beginning of 2021 (https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life). Next LTS will be released in 2018. We are still in 2017, so the Trisquel 8 will be still using the updates from the ubuntu 16.04 till 2021.
[Trisquel-users] Network infrastructure of large networks
Hi, Currently, is it possible to run a large network with Free Software? If a large organization would like to run only Free Software, how would their network infrastructure be? Which devices and software should they use to replace their proprietary state-of-the-art network appliances? I mean stackable 48-port switches which have optical uplinks, high-performance routers with optical and other interfaces, powerful multi-feature firewalls, and so on. Which existing hardware and software would you use? Let's think we are millionaires. Thank you.
