Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
"absolutely no troubleshooting has been mentioned having been performed in this thread." there isnt enough information from the original poster to troubleshoot anything, and they expressed no interest in doing anything except migrating, so the odds of troubleshooting are going to be low. i find the arguments youre trying to start in your post to be condescending and one-sided and far beneath what i would expect of anyone working directly for the free software foundation. if i hadnt stopped funding the fsf already, i would consider doing so based on the arrogance of your post. at least stop talking down to entire classes of people you dont know (or dont agree with) like someone from the open source side, jxself. what the heck?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
making hyperbola more newbie friendly should be trivial to do without bothering any of the hyperbola devs. what init does it use?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
how hard do you think it would be to maintain Trisquel 7, without systemd? I don't really care about new packages but I do care about security. What do you think would be involved? _ i was working on this (tonight) before i came to the forum. ive done a number of things with automated distro modification, usually around already-systemd-free distros. if its possible to install another init once trisquel is installed, then it should be possible to modify the live image before trisquel is installed, using chroot and unsquashfs and mksquashfs and genisoimage. this approach requires no cooperation from the maintainers, and can be worked on solo and distributed as a single script. however, it depends entirely on what you mean by "without systemd." i started this adventure by remixing refracta (devuan-based) after migrating from debian to devuan in early 2015. and the last i checked devuan, they had relaxed their definition of what it means to run "without systemd." it was possible to change init, it was possible to get away from libsystemd, and now "without systemd" means less than a guaranteed avoidance of libsystemd-- even in a distro that exists specifically to get away from it! everyone working on this seems to have a complicated or secret way of doing this-- there is no workshop on getting rid of systemd where everyone can benefit from the knowledge. i refuse to use systemd, i wouldnt touch trisquel either (i used it between 2007 and 2009) unless it was an opportunity to try to remove systemd from the live iso, and then from the installation. systemd uses .service files, but even on a "systemd-free" system, removing the .service files can cause problems. so systemd is a lot of fun to remove, because everything (it seems) is being rebuilt/recompiled to require it. except the many things that arent. there is no definitive or authoritative answer on what it would take to remove systemd from a distro. most people arent both talking about and researching it with data. if they know, they dont really say. the systemd devs of course are completely uninterested in people using alternatives. to me, thats a principal reason to avoid it. developers who are so openly antagonistic to freedom shouldnt be trusted to create infrastructure for free software-- unless their work is obvious enough for enough users to understand. theres a false equivocation between systemd and other inits-- that other inits arent interested in your ability to use alternatives either. no other init system was created by combining several existing discrete software components into one so that to use one part you more or less needed the others. no other init system was ever half as antagonistic towards alternatives. devuan works by automating package rebuilding. last i checked, devuan 1.0 (which i used) was closer to being systemd-free than devuan 2.0, i dont have an update on that. the only devuan-based distro i would bother with is refracta, but i think the developer of gnuinos is also a very good guy. im not sure that my efforts to remove systemd from trisquel will lead to something useful. remove systemd, and stuff that depends on it (but shouldnt) will stop working. true of any software, but more true of systemd. you fix that by racing against people who seem rather bent on removing your choice-- if thats not true, then devuan serves no actual purpose.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Indeed! Yeah, the cause of their problem may indeed have absolutely nothing to do with systemd since as far as I can tell, absolutely no troubleshooting has been mentioned having been performed in this thread. So I wonder how they arrived at the conclusion that systemd is at fault. After all, my experience with Trisquel 8 is the exact opposite: It's rock solid. That long time for release gave it a lot of time to be battle-tested on the FSF's servers running things like gnu.org (which gets has a lot of traffic to really test things out), and where Trisquel 8 was being used long before release. But it's more fun for the systemd haters to blame their problems solely and exclusively on systemd, ignoring that computers had problems before it ever existed.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Operating systems are a lot more complex than "has systemd" and "doesn't have systemd". They were freezing, crashing, and just plain not working long before systemd came along, and the reasons are numerous and varied. I think there may be better ways to solve most problems than to throw away arbitrary components and hope that resolves them. I've never experienced the problem you describe, but I wonder if it might be at a higher level given that you can still move the mouse. What desktop environment are you using? MATE, LXDE, or something else? It might be worthwhile to try a different desktop environment and see if that works better.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Then you also need to pay more for the Hyperbola devs, to make Hyperbola more newbies friendly. You would also like to make a Hyperbola hybrid ISO that's with SDDM and Xfce preinstalled. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Devuan is the similar free system to Hyperbola, both 2 are LTS and nosystemd. Parabola is also recommended to you if you also want a cutting edge of free software. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Pictures in backgrounds
Hi, Magic Banana. Thank you, but the response in the terminal is cp: impossible to execute stat of "onda.jpg": File or directory does not exist. What should I do?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Keyboard shortcut combinations for taking screenshot?
Are you using MATE? If so, just go to Control Center -> Keyboard Shortcuts and map the command 'mate-screenshot' to your preferred shortcut. That's for a simple screenshot of the whole workspace. If you want a dialog with more options, the command is 'mate-screenshot --interactive' signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Change all the icons except the Trisquel logo
Of course! : p Thank you :_)
[Trisquel-users] Keyboard shortcut combinations for taking screenshot?
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Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
I consider that the most strenuous work is mainly focused on staying as informed as possible about vulnerabilities in critical applications (kernel, web browser, etc.), although it is not too difficult to compile a new kernel or a new version of the web browser over time becomes very tedious or demanding to follow the do it your self philosophy because you would spend more time worrying about security breaches or in finding a hotfix for an old version of a dependency than having fun with your device. Remember that you will be on your own and the time it usually takes to compile a new version of the kernel or web browser is quite considerable (one to two hours at best and with high-end equipment) task that as a minimum should be performed once a month in the best of cases and in the worst could be 2 to 3 times in a month per application. My intention is not to discourage you, but it's a little more acceptable when you have some packers or developers covering your back and take from them the most time-consuming applications to compile. Best regards.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
> how hard do you > think it would be to maintain Trisquel 7, without systemd? Trisquel 7 still has six months left, but after that it will no longer be supported upstream and won't receive security updates. Continuing to maintain a 5+ year old release doesn't seem like a good use of effort. Creating a non-systemd version of Trisquel 8 might be more realistic. Parabola has both systemd and openrc ISOs, so it's certainly possible for a distro to support multiple init systems. However, someone who wants a non-systemd version of Trisquel would have to step up and do the necessary work. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 KDE Plasma 5.5.5 Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
> The problem is, that menu does not exist in my system > settings. First I'd make sure that you have all desktop components by reinstalling the triskel metapackage. $ sudo apt install triskel > When facing other issues of missing menus, the solution was to install some > package to get access to that menu. So I'm wondering if there is some > missing package that will unlock this menu. If you are missing the program that edits keyboard shortcuts, it should be installed by the triskel metapackage. If that doesn't work, I would next try to figure out the name of that program. For example, the "Keyboard Shortcuts" menu in MATE is a program called mate-keybinding-properties. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Old packages and security don't really go well together. More to the point - the amount of effort that goes into maintaining a branch of a distro isn't low, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility. It probably comes down to skill and time to spend on this project
[Trisquel-users] Minifree X200 Review
Just wanted to share my experience with ordering and using a Thinkpad X200 from Leah Rowe, at Minifree... Ordered in Jan 2018 and oveall really happy with it...: 1) I'm always amazed that the x200 is now 10years old, yet it functions perfectly well - as well as many new laptops today!!! I only have the most basic specs (4gb RAM, 250gb HDD), which is perfect for my work needs, so I'm sure higher specs it would be much faster! I'd get higher specs (or the X400 I guess) if you want a higher performance machine (e.g. doing any kind of complex tasks e.g. video editing, I'd get more RAM). It's also light and very compact (love how the keyboard is still full size)... other features like spill holes for draining liquids spilled on the keyboard, strong casing etc... just goes to show how tech is way ahead of its time compared to the average consumer products at any time. 2) I'm happy with Libreboot – boots very fast. And Trisquel – overall very simple to use. Had some minor issues configuring drivers e.g. for a graphics tablet I bought, and I find it's not as convenient as windows/mac for sure... but less convenience is the price paid for more control/'privacy' over your digital hardware and data... 3) Minifree Service: Unfortunately, when I ordered, Leah from minifree was dealing with certain things that meant the delivery of the laptop was heavily delayed. I didn't know what was going on for a couple of weeks, until she got back online and explained everything. She then did her absolute best to get it shipped asap, and I give her credit since then for improving her service massively and always getting back to me quickly when I asked her for technical support and advice on e.g. flashing an X60... she has also hired more people to help her with her work load and the Libreboot project which is her baby – and I really respect her work and give her total credit for being human and not having been perfect, but improving things massively. She has now employed people to work with her and make the service much more efficient. So overall, I would recommend, for anyone looking for a totally functional, retro, awesome legendary laptop with Free Software Foundation certification, for a cheap price.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Hi Guys Thanks so much for your replies. I could give Freenix a try. I am just wondering about one more thing before I do how hard do you think it would be to maintain Trisquel 7, without systemd? I don't really care about new packages but I do care about security. What do you think would be involved? Thanks-Patrick
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to change the way sources are edited through the CL
Edit or delete the file ~/.selected_editor
[Trisquel-users] LibreOffice Calc Selected Cell Boundary is Invisible
Hi, I've recently upgraded to Trisquel 8 with KDE Plasma 5.5.5. Overall, I'm very impressed. Especially having petsc-complex and slepc-complex available in the repositories as they are a pain to build from source. Anyway, I have a really weird problem. In LibreOffice Calc, I cannot see the black box around the currently selected cell so it's hard to tell which cell is selected (I can work it out by looking at the highlighted row / column headers but it's not easy). Any one know how to fix it please? More details available in my SO question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52615914/libreoffice-calc-selected-cell-boundary-is-invisible Many thanks, Steve
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to set background of logout screen in Trisquel 8.0, KDE Plasma 5.5.5.
BTW - this just magically fixed itself. It wasn't working. I didn't change anything. Now it's working. Good that it's working. Bad that I don't understand why but - hey - there's more important things in life!
[Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 KDE Plasma 5.5.5 Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
Hi, Any one else using Triskel 8? How do you set custom keyboard shortcuts? All the online guides say go to System Settings > Shortcuts > Custom Shortcuts then click add. The problem is, that menu does not exist in my system settings. When facing other issues of missing menus, the solution was to install some package to get access to that menu. So I'm wondering if there is some missing package that will unlock this menu. Any ideas anyone? TBH, I'd even be happy with a workaround. What I'm ultimately trying to do is assign keyboard shortcuts to open a terminal (konsole) and the system monitor as I use these a lot and it's really tedious having to use a mouse to click on my launchers. NB: I've already asked on the KDE forum (https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=154123&p=404442#p404333) and they suggested asking here. Many thanks, Steve
