Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread xliang9550
No free/libre license forces the author to grant everyone access to the  
free/libre software, and GNU GPL is no exception.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread xliang9550

I don't violate Freedom 0 if I deny someone to access a free/libre software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread elr

https://notabug.org/hp/gogs/issues/236

I think it would be a better option using https://framagit.org


Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread jason

"can also explicitly prohibit anyone from using it without violating GNU GPL"

A point of order: Publishing a program under the GPLv3 and including that  
would probably be a "further restriction" within the meaning of section 10 of  
GPLv3.


This seems similar to what happens when programs are released under the GPLv3  
but say they're only for "non-commercial use" or "personal use only" or some  
such thing.


The GPL's answer to these types of situations is: "If the Program as you  
received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is governed  
by this License along with a term that is a further restriction, you may  
remove that term..." :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 30/07/19 07:22, wrote:
> It's not good to censor the developers in "Enemies of United States".
> But this is not relevant to freedom. "Accessibility" is not an
> inherent requirement of freedom. (See "Four Essential Freedoms", there
> is no "accessibility".)

 Access != Accessibility

 If you bothered to start reading the Four Freedoms, right at the
start you would find the First Freedom, Freedom 0, "The ability to run
the program for any purpose".  There.

-- 
Ignacio Agulló · grafot...@grafotema.com



Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread David Philipe Gil
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Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread Narcis Garcia
I understand that article talks about denying use of services, and about
using currently hosted projects to exclude some people participation.

https://github.com/1995parham/github-do-not-ban-us

Important projects are still hosted in Github.com and are affected by
this political exclusion:
https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
https://github.com/torvalds/linux
https://github.com/sasanrose/phpredmin
https://github.com/mostafa/iptables_book
https://github.com/keyvank/tracy

And important ones because help to extend Trisquel project:
https://github.com/scollazo/docker-brew-trisquel-debootstrap
https://github.com/VanackSabbadium/TrisquelStuff
https://github.com/proninyaroslav/abrowser-android
https://github.com/proninyaroslav/abrowser-rpm
https://github.com/frnmst/trisquel-installation-script


El 30/7/19 a les 11:29, xliang9...@live.cn ha escrit:
> Every "user" who have one copy of free/libre software can exercise his
> re-distribution freedom (Freedom 2 and 3) to share it with "non-user".
> So, total censorship is technically impossible.
> 
> And this is why companies and governments want to make sharing illegal.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Computer will not shut down

2019-07-30 Thread lcerf
It looks all normal: the target "Shutdown" is reached.  The problem must be  
in the kernel.   
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/323383/linux-mint-18-hangs-at-shutdown  
suggests adding options (apm=power_off, acpi=force, etc.) to it (in the  
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable of /etc/default/grub, unless you do not  
use the default bootloader) or disabling things in the BIOS (USB 3.0 legacy  
mode, EuP-setting, etc.).


I would first try a newer kernel. Installing the package  
"linux-image-generic-hwe-8.0" (in Trisquel's repository) will give you  
version 4.15. https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ seems down at the moment.  When  
back online, it will provide instructions to get an even newer kernel.  After  
installing the kernel you need to reboot (on the newer kernel) and try to  
shutdown to see if the newer kernel does not suffer from the same problem.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread xliang9550
Every "user" who have one copy of free/libre software can exercise his  
re-distribution freedom (Freedom 2 and 3) to share it with "non-user". So,  
total censorship is technically impossible.


And this is why companies and governments want to make sharing illegal.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Off-topic: The end of Freedom in GitHub

2019-07-30 Thread Narcis Garcia
Sure, you are free (for example) to select your project members by race,
and anti-racist people are free to migrate to another platform.
Let's fitght to keep freedom on platform selection.

gitlab.org is another example for self-hosting and/or self-management.


El 30/7/19 a les 7:22, xliang9...@live.cn ha escrit:
> It's not good to censor the developers in "Enemies of United States".
> But this is not relevant to freedom. "Accessibility" is not an inherent
> requirement of freedom. (See "Four Essential Freedoms", there is no
> "accessibility".)
> 
> To be more specific, I can publish a GNU GPL v3-or-Later licensed
> free/libre software, but I can also explicitly prohibit anyone from
> using it without violating GNU GPL. I don't violate a free/libre license
> as long as I grant the "user subset" four essential freedoms. Anyone not
> belonging to the "user subset" cannot force me to share the source code
> to him. I don't need to care the freedom of "non-user" of the free/libre
> software.
> 
> To be very extreme, I can write a free/libre software and NOT to share
> it with anyone. In other words, anyone else don't even know the
> existence of the free/libre software. Then this is called a "trivial
> free/libre software". Though it does no good, it does no bad (as
> proprietary software does) either.