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This all smells a bit fishy, like a Gamergate-esque attempt to demonize anti-feminists by making them look unsavory and violent. I think there's more going on here than simple trolling, and I encourage the community to be wary. (As an aside, for those concerned that anti-feminists are woman-haters, perhaps you should listen to a few podcasts of Honey Badger Radio, which is hosted by a wonderful group of rational, intelligent women.) I would very much like to hear more about the original topic, now. :)
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I've just realised (s)he calls him/erself chaosesqueteam. The name chaos-proper-team would've been more appropriate :p
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I'm not sure about the rating mechanism, but can't anybody with lots of accounts just upvote her own posts and circumvent the system that way?
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Since you haven't tried it you wouldn't know, would you? Tell me, what exactly have you contributed to the libre software movement? How many years of programming? Any music? What about media such at textures, pixel art, 3d models and architecture, etc? Even if you aren't a troll and you actually believe the insane bullshit you post, it's off-topic and doesn't deserve attention here. So the Old Testament is insane bullshit now? Men liking girls is insane bullshit now? Men being non-plused by aging women who dislike men is insane bullshit? Honestly, if this is what the free software movement is now, I am kinda glad it is sinking and on fire (see systemd, code of conducts, debian today, etc etc, and yes the abandonement of KISS/DOTADIW and the requirement of PC/feminist thought will be the end of linux, the BSDs will remain however) Now, the only libre software contribution of yours that I'm aware of is Chaos Esque I have no problem keeping it that way. Hacking on Xonotic is more fun than any of the other FOSS projects I've worked on. Kinda feels like hacking on Unreal or UT (99). Go download the game and play it. It doesn't need to be focused due to the hours put into it: it can have many areas of focus: There are enough medeval weapons, for instance, and medeval levels that you can just play that section of the game if that is what you like. Variety is what it's about here (just like in UT 99). Using the same textures, the same weapons, the same architectual style is bring. All that is needed is that there are sufficent assets for each type/time. Once there are it nolonger feels unfocused. It just seems to have various options and individual focii. (Far Future Near Future, ~ww1 era, and medieval) Do you feel that your own existence is unfocused and not worth living because both WW1 planes, medieval castles, and stunguns exist together in the world you live in? Don't disrespect me unless you know what your talking about: and you can't know unless you have actually played the game at all. If you want to say things you know nothing about (and admit as such) come say them to my face.
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Tell me, what exactly have you contributed to the libre software movement? I have no idea whether I've contributed more or less to libre software than you. It doesn't matter. Whatever respect it could have earned you was lost with your trolling.
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Suspicious activity like that would certainly be grounds for a ban, wouldn't it? It should be easy to detect.
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I don't think everything you make is scheiSZe, just that your posts are, or tend to be. So the Response to an Anti-feminist developer 'FK YOU EVERYTHING YOU MAKE IS CRAP!' is just pushing it.
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I can almost (almost) guarantee you I've done more OSS development than you. So? That doesn't weigh anything in the question of whether one is a troll. Linus Torvalds (assuming he's not you) can troll, can be called a troll, but that doesn't stop him from being the lead developer and starter of what in my opinion is history's greatest kernel (apart from the blobs).
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SystemV's developer(s) Lol. There's a saying: Don't fix what isn't broke. SystemV and developers are not words that belong together in a phrase on sentance. And then you try to one-up yourself by mentioning upstart. But you fail because can't top that! (If you still don't get it: System V does not have developers. System V has been completed for a very very long time. A thing you new generation of fools don't have a concept of. Something being completed. If there isn't some guy (yes it's always a guy) to slave away churning code you consider a project worthless-abandoned) (A new idea that didn't previously exist in the *nix world) Guess what. Opensource developers are men. They are not women. Women only came in in the last few years. All they've done is politick, socialize, and run men they didn't like out. All the linux distros and now the kernel itself is being ruined because of this cultural change (see today the new linux code of conflict), it's what allows garbage like systemd to manifest. (and what's upstart, I completely skipped that era of crap, been with System 5 the whole time, as one should be when using Linux )
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When discussing whether you deserve a Nobel, your programming does weigh, but not when discussing the paragraphs you write and how polite they are (no, I'm not saying my comments are saint-esque). I didn't say that code contribs don't weigh on anything, the same way that apples aren't pineapples. Anyway, I really doubt it takes even close to 100 posts to notice a troll.
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No, a troll is someone who says things that he himself does not believe with the sole aim of riling a targeted audience up. That is not I. I am what you call an Open Source Software Hacker or a Shitty Programmer Who Does It For Fun, Not For Money You are what we call a luser or user, you prove that by informing us that code contribs do not weigh in anything: ofcourse they do not to you: that's not part of your world. Software just magically comes to you through the internet, just like your feed magically comes to you through the grocery store, and your computers and goods magically come to you throught the mail or electronics store. You have no concept of what it takes to build any of these things. You are like a nobel who just expects it all and spits on the pesants who provide it to you. If someone were to troll you, you wouldn't even notice till about 100 posts in.
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So you're assuming SystemV's developer(s) or Upstarts's developer(s) are anti egg-producing homo sapiens?
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Systemd is bonkers. You've allready lost This is not a competition so what have I lost (other than around 4 flash drives in a few years)? And I can still fork the bloody thing.
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In the realm where UUEncoded messages dwell you'll find the answer.
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You've lost *nix. Apparently it's not worth even whatever 4 flash drives are to you, by way of your comparison.
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fair enough, should've admitted it earlier. But that leaves all the other ages.
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Very well, then.
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Seems like you have me hating cute young girls in your slash delineated list. That is an error.
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There's a difference between many and 100. And what has my post got to do with the definiton of trolls? That I stated that it takes
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Go look up the definition of troll. Yes, it often takes many many many posts to notice a real troll. You people today use troll to mean someone who's opinions I find offensive and as a reason for censorship and banning (including attempted ejectment from the open-source community)
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|| implys or As I said: Seems like you have me hating cute young girls in your slash delineated list. That is an error.
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Do you know that slashes imply or?
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It isn't. The freedom to change (and replace, but that's not easy) it is worth more than 4 flash drives, though. And we've still got that.
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So? What has that got to do with my post about you post about hating people who have/should've/will be going/gone through menarche? Oh, and you're not using a still-supported version Trisquel, are you?
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can we just ignore this team of trolls? - he is obviously one disturbed personality. so why feed him and keep on this nonsense? Thx..
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You have a really bizarre definition of troll. Now, the only libre software contribution of yours that I'm aware of is Chaos Esque, which as far as I can tell is some sort of unfocused fork of Xonotic that is more resource-hungry and supposedly more realistic; I haven't seen any good reason to try it. In any case, sure, it's a worthwhile contribution to our community, even if, as I suspect, it focuses on the wrong things and isn't really worth trying. But that has nothing to do with whether or not you are a troll. A troll is someone who says shocking things not because they actually believe it, but because they want to get people angry, or otherwise provoke an emotional reaction. A troll could be some drunk hobo at an Internet cafe, or it could be a famous person who has contributed greatly to something worthwhile, like Stephen Hawking. It doesn't matter. A troll is a troll. What they do other than trolling is irrelevant. Of course, if you aren't a troll and you actually believe the insane bullshit you post, that's even worse. Regardless, such insane and stupid positions do not deserve attention.
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Explain your definition of the word Troll. I can almost guarantee you I've done more OSS development than here. Other than that the only difference between you and I is that I oppose women's rights.
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You've done research (google searches). But have you done any software development? Any media contributions (music, 3d design, textures, etc) Or are you just another parasite.
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Oh absolutly a troll, you figured it out! Certainly no a closely held earnest beliefs to be found! So tell me, what do you develop? Oh yes, you don't need to: you have the correct beliefs! I would like everyone to understand that in the OpenSource/LibreSoftware community it does not matter what you develop, code, contribute, etc. What matters is that you are pro-feminist pro-what they call liberal or not. If you are this: good, you could contribute one line of code and you'll forever be hailed as a valued developer. Otherwise you are a Troll no matter how much you contribute and of what quality. That is what I've found. It wasn't always this way, things changed around 2009 or so. Before that it was a meritocracy, now it's the same corporate-style soft tyranny you find in your jobs. I guess the people that wrote the Old Testament were trolls too right, MagicBannana? They liked young girls and weren't fans of women's rights. They're Trolls right? I am just so very happy when people like you are done in. It doesn't happen often. Remeber: Pro-feminist developer Thank you for your work! Anti-feminist developr FK YOU EVERYTHING YOU MAKE IS CRAP! That is the F/LOSS way (wasn't always). Scum.
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Let's get the discussion back on track. There's another way of achieving high speed 'puters, and that's by harnessing them together, as in the twenty-mule-team CPU. That would spread out the heat load, and the array could simply piggyback on the socket of an obsolete motherboard. A long time ago, my company had an electron microscope whose maker was gone forever. Our repair guy simply had piggyback boards made with modern components that could do whatever it was that the no-longer-available chips and modules could no longer do. I learned to replace burnt-out tantatalum capacitors with cheap electrolytics found in the local electronics store ... that machine had relatively few integrated circuits. In the meantime, consider trying to re-learn games that aren't so computer-intensive. What does it take to type a report, even one with lots of figures ? We're being forced to shoehorn GNU/linux into perpetually pre-obsolete computers and forgetting how to upgrade the older ones. One supplier of a spreadsheet-based graphing app has been supplying essentially the same app for some twenty-five years that works exactly the same way today as it did when running on a DOS 6.22 PC-AT computer, and it could do fourier transforms on huge data arrays then in just a few minutes. What's the hurry ?
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In that case we could just stay upstream..or should systemd go bonkers itself fork the last decent version of it...
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I've heard about the MikeeUSA troll before, but never connected him to chaosesqueteam/vpro. Thanks for the info.
[Trisquel-users] 3G modems coming integrated with Next Gen Intel Atom (for real this time)
@magicbanana I believe our current way of addressing the problem (down-voting the posts until hidden and *not* answering) is good. Why not just ban him, and any other users promoting misogyny, pedophilia and murder? This vitriol could deter people from using the forum, and it hijacks reasonable discussion on this mailing list. (Down-voting does nothing to the mailing list, by the way.)
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@magicbanana That makes sense, now that you have explained it. Regards.
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I had seen that before, but wasn't sure if he was the same guy. He's definitely the same as vPro though.
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People slaved away to build you that laptop you play your games on. They were miserable. There will be little in their life that is enjoyable. If they had not done it you would have less happiness. Because when women have rights life is much less fun. this is selfish just because you might have less fun is not a excuse for doing harm to others
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Deuteronomy 22 28-29, hebrew. Pre-feminist europe (over 13 == spinster: men married the young girls or if not that then young women when they had the choice). Child marriage was fine elsewhere aswell before the British cracked down on it in the late 1800s. Men liked cute things. Women do not care what men like: they want what they want and if it takes jailing and killing men by the state: fine. Feminism is a sexual trade union: the aim is to ban competition and keep the rachet spinning (only in one direction). Keep the pressure on, reduce men's options, use force against those who do not comply (jail, job loss (paupery), etc) It modeled itself after the guilds / trade-unions of old. If a conspiracy requires original thoughts then you are correct: there is no originality in the feminist/women's rights movement. They copied everything from others. Cat person: do I want you dead? Do you want men who marry or attempt to marry young girls imprisoned / killed / etc? If so: an eye for and eye forever.
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Women are an enemy of men, thus preventing the reproduction of offspring-reproducing offsprings that evolution, or for that matter probably most of everything about creatures, seems to always try to lead itself to. Yeeaahseems about right.
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Nope. All versions will have this soon. Just like AMT/vPro/VT (they keep changing the name) Active Management Engine is the newest name change. Are you happy that there is an OS independent vnc server on your chip? Better obey your government.
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If women were not the enemy of men then why is it that before women had power men could marry young girls, however once women gained influence and then political power any man going for a young girl was tarred with a fairly new word: pedophile, and imprisoned? * on the subject of marital rape. * on the subject of domestic violence * on the subject of anything that is to the personal benefit of a man but not in the interests of a grown adult woman. Women are absolutely the enemy of the individual man. Just like the female preying mantis is the enemy of the male preying mantis after copulation. That is who women are. That is why they have banned marrying girl children. That is why Hans Reiser killed his wife (she committed adultery against him, then she brought him to court, she divorced him, she took his house, took his kids, and made him a slave that had to pay her money every month. Then he murdered his enemy: which was his absolute right (also right by the law of the old testament God)) But even if you reject all that. Since women have gained power, population growth is negative for all european-type peoples at this moment who have embraced women's rights (which is all of them) same for all asians who have embraced women's rights. Women are not girls in the same way acid is not water. This is why it is banned to marry young girls: no one would marry women if girls were accepted for marraige (and such was the case in europe in the past: after 13 if not married a female would be a spinster forever probably).
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A more valid sentence: Frankly if Linux is done there's still BSD's kernel - and the chaps over at the GNU project might even try to get Hurd to a decent state. And once that happens those projects too will be subverted by Social Justice Warrior types with their very own version of systemd (order of magnitude more of crap code to introduce root exploits). The wheel goes round and round. If this was brought to fisticuffs the systemd people would be stopped in place. :(
[Trisquel-users] 3G modems coming integrated with Next Gen Intel Atom (for real this time)
I've done some research on misogyny in the Free Software/Open Source communities, and have discovered that the user chaosesqueteam is a known troll. From this page: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/MikeeUSA MikeeUSA is the pseudonym of an anti-feminist troll who periodically targets the FLOSS communities, especially women's groups, with extremely misogynistic language, calls to violence, and men's rights content. He is regarded as a troll and a sexist within the masculist movement as well.
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Thanks for that information. It's obvious that he's a troll here, but I had no idea he had such a reputation.
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i think his views are stupid but i will still wait for his reply
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i don’t think you should just ignore someone if you disagree with them you should challenge there views This only gives him more reasons to keep posting off-topic messages. this discussion should of been made in a off topic forum true
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I don't believe for a moment that chaosesqueteam actually believes men not being able to marry young girls (and women not being able to marry young boys, and women not being able to marry young girls, and men not being able to marry young boys) is some kind of conspiracy by women to enslave men. I've seen some pretty insane views, sure, but none as blatantly stupid as that. Support of a right to having sexual relations with children is something I'd believe to be genuine (it's probably the position of some people; I'm not sure). Belief in sexual relations with children being the norm which is actively suppressed by a conspiracy? No. He's just making stuff up hoping to get a response. That's what a troll is.
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Because when women have rights life is much less fun. this is selfish just because you might have less fun is not a excuse for doing harm to others the idea that you must abuse others to have a happy life rely is wrong lots(i say lots as i cant know for certain about everyone) of pepole i know are perfectly happy without abusing others and they do good to others they don’t abuse them. what is your specific reason for believing women should not be equal to men? I hate feminism and feminists and am happy when they are killed. i am a feminist you would be happy if i were killed as i believe in equal rights for men and women? i highly disagree with your views but i would not be happy if you were dead.
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What part of Just ignore the troll. you don't understand? This only gives him more reasons to keep posting off-topic messages.
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Chris: Will the chip require linking with someone outside to work at all or is it just available for some shadow agency to access? Can we just buy the desktop version and put it into a foil or lead-lined tower? I'll not wear the hat, though. :-)
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I do not support women's rights. Women's rights is orthagnol to men's liberty, that much has been show in practice. Women's rights consists of banning things men like: cute young girls as partners, sex on demand (marital rape), power over female (domestic abuse), financial stability (divorce initiated by woman), ownership of girls (divorce again). if you were born a women how would you feel about this text you support? I imagine I would be happy that I didn't have to wait till 18+ (or 16+) to have fun, since the people that wrote the old testament were fine with marrying young girls. But who knows, I can only answer this from my perspective. Once I grew older and became a adult woman I would be angry however because I could not compete with nice, sweet, pretty female children: it would just be impossible. I would hate all men that liked girls over women and seek their imprisonment or castration etc. This is how women are. They want what they want. Totalitarians just like everybody else once given power. This is what we have seen in the real world. Women are willing participants in the maintenance of the empire. They fill the middle manager role, with regular men beneath them, but the upper-class above them. This is how it is.
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I do not support women's rights. Women's rights is orthogonal to men's liberty, that much has been show in practice. Women's rights consists of banning things men like: cute young girls as partners, sex on demand (marital rape), power over female (domestic abuse), financial stability (divorce initiated by woman), ownership of girls (divorce again). if you were born a women how would you feel about this text you support? I imagine I would be happy that I didn't have to wait till 18+ (or 16+) to have fun, since the people that wrote the old testament were fine with marrying young girls. But who knows, I can only answer this from my perspective. Once I grew older and became a adult woman I would be angry however because I could not compete with nice, sweet, pretty female children: it would just be impossible. I would hate all men that liked girls over women and seek their imprisonment or castration etc. This is how women are. They want what they want. Totalitarians just like everybody else once given power. This is what we have seen in the real world. Women are willing participants in the maintenance of the empire. They fill the middle manager role, with regular men beneath them, but the upper-class above them. This is how it is. I support Deuteronomy 22 28-29. Read the hebrew specifically, it's talking about young girls.
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It makes perfect sense to any culture that wants to not allow fathers to enact pro-female rights policies such as not allowing anyone to marry them until they reach a certain age. Here even if all fathers conspire to keep men away from young girls, the man by law can rape a young girl (female child (read the hebrew words)) and gain her that way. Don't try to sugar coat it and explain this away like all christians do. He just has to keep her and pay the father some money. This is peophillia (a word only 200 yrs old), rape, and child marriage of girls. The WORST sin in the western feminist law system. It is fine under the God of Deuteronomy. Girls not brides! (and bomb anyone that disagrees) Female children as brides is better for men than adult women as brides. The woman will only depreciate, and also hate you. With the girl there are 2 sides to that mountain, not just a cliff.
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I am not a troll. Just because I do not support your social justice movement (because it hurts men, puts men in prison, takes away the only natural pleasures and happiness that exist), does not mean I am saying things just to piss people off without believing them. I am not. As for the rest of your post: the people who rule over us all always like to have a way to get rid of little peons like ourselves who might oppose them. They are able to do this via the law system because men do not kill anyone who tries to arrest them. Men go quietly and imagine they can beat the charge. There would be more freedom if men __always__ fought. Cats do not go quietly. But men are dogs :( Civilization means obedience.
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i know if you put broken gpu's in microwaves they can start working again so this may not work...
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I heard about that and thought it was bull! Is it not??
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you seem to be saying its ok to abuse women. why do you think you should have more rights than someone else just because there a women? i feel you are basing most or all of your views on the old testament do you not think it would be better to do things weather they are good or bad for the world and not weather the old testament ses its ok?
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Microwave is bull. Do not do that. You can use a real, conventional, oven to reflow the solder and make the GPU work again if solder cracked. Just like you can use a young girl to give you a happy life. (child marraige of girls) But both these things are old-fashioned and you probably have neither and support neither To repeat: Microwave: NO! STUPID! Real Oven: Yes, can reflow solder.
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why do you think you should have more rights than someone else just because there a women? Because when women have rights life is much less fun. Can't marry a cute little girl. Can't have sex whenever you want. Can't force woman or girl to be nice to you when she challenges you. Jail for disobeying women / not paying them in divorce /etc. Women are worthless to men under feminism, and girls == prison. I like the Old Testament because it has the same views I have. I hate feminism and feminists and am happy when they are killed. I know their movement will never be defeated and we will never beable to marry young girls or rule over females ever again. I hope for a world war 3 where everything is destroyed and thus women rule over dust thenceforth.
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Hmm have you checked the whole X60 if it's mistreating you on hardware level? Every circuit, chip? There are 3 general approaches to security: Security by Correctness, Security by Isolation, and Security by Obscurity. Security by correctness of every component is extremely difficult to achieve, due to falliablity of humans and having to trust every part of the implementation and production and delivery. Security by obscurity on the other hand is discouraged as a primary mechanism because if the design is ever revealed, then the whole system can be comprimised. But regarding hardware, security by isolation is much more realistic, as it is not necessary to verify the correctness of every circuit, every chip, but only verify the isolation mechanism and strictly limit the manner in which individudal componets can communitate. It will be a long time before we can achieve verifiably fully libre chips, but a much more realistic short-term goal can be fully libre board and fully libre boot crypto core (likely running on an fpga) that is really simple, dumb, and slow, running a minimal hypervisor, which would control a faster (but proprietary) application processor at a lower privelege level as a subservient coprocessor. On a side note, I have one or thoses Novena computers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novena_%28computing_platform%29) which is a full arm labtop/desktop w/fpga built by hackers with all the schematics for the motherboard released under open source license, which I can look at right now. I am also typing this on a X60s libreboot machine. I've also tried out Qubes OS, which tries to implement security by isolation by running the networking code in a seperate vm from the vm that is able to access storage, and then each application can run in another a seperate vm. Of course none of these are the full solution, as for instance it is possible that my flash rom is evil and has intercepted my flashing of libreboot or in the case of novena that the manufacturers deviated from the schematics or delivered me a comprimised board, but these are the types of steps that are in the right direction. And with consumer 3D printed circuitboards, it may even soon be possible to print your own minimal trusted motherboard as a base which you then solder a trusted fpga core and proprietary cpu and rest of the proprietary components on.
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what do you mean by a feminist police state and empire? Remeber when, some years back, the USA threatened economic sanctions on Japan if it did not ban the possession of what it saw as child pornography (nude girls I think it was?). Remeber through the years how the USA has pressured country after country to ban child marriage of girls to men? (Including such places that don't even like the USA like yemen and saudi arabia) That is the feminist part. The ability to get it done is the empire part. you definitly dont seem to be treating women equal to men why is this? Because I do not support such things. I support things such as Deuteronomy 22 28-29 in hebrew. The USA works against men in every way it can. It uses things from threats of unfavorable trade deals to incendiary bombs to destroy every pro-male culture on earth. This is why you cannot marry a young girl almost anywhere on earth now. The USA has a global empire, and it's creed is women's rights.
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what do you mean by a feminist police state and empire? Remeber when, some years back, the USA threatened economic sanctions on Japan if it did not ban the possession of what it saw as child pornography (nude girls I think it was?). Remeber through the years how the USA has pressured country after country to ban child marriage of girls to men? (Including such places that don't even like the USA like yemen and saudi arabia) That is the feminist part. The ability to get it done is the empire part. you definitly dont seem to be treating women equal to men why is this? Because I do not support such things. I support things such as Deuteronomy 22 28-29 in hebrew. The USA works against men in every way it can. It uses things from threats of unfavorable trade deals to incendiary bombs to destroy every pro-male culture on earth. This is why you cannot marry a young girl almost anywhere on earth now. The USA has a global empire, and it's creed is women's rights.
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Just ignore the troll. By the way, that text from the Bible made perfect sense in the context of a society that considered women to be essentially property: it's a sort of you break it, you buy it law. Another aside, one thing this troll alludes to is true: it's an injustice, and extremely dangerous, that possession of child pornography is a crime. This is true of any information or work. The official justification of it being evidence of a crime is absurd. (It could also be used to justify punishing businesses for recording surveillance footage when someone is stealing something!)
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Are nand-gate computers a viable potential replacement for contemporary computers?
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do you not believe treating others with respect is a good thing? if you were born a women how would you feel about this text you support? Deuteronomy 22 28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days. which to me is saying that if you are raped by a man you must be his wife and you have no say in it do you think rape is immoral? i think you should give everyone equal rights and equal respect no matter what sex they are
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Another less helpful solution, rip out the Wifi/Network module and microwave it for about 5-10 seconds. Put it back in and just claim it broke. No more spying that can call home and no more Netflicks.
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I completely agree. Over the last few years Intel had been on the edge, but now they are actively working against users. We have to find another hardware platform to work on. It's a simple statement with an incredibly large amount of work to achieve it.
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what exactly are you talking about? you arnt very clear in what your trying to explain or at as least not to me This is all to enforce America's feminist police state / empire world wide. what do you mean by a feminist police state and empire? you definitly dont seem to be treating women equal to men why is this?
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wasn't joking! :P p.s - to extreme problems extreme measures..
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i sometimes use tor just to help the network be more anonymous but as Samsung and the nsa know just about everything about me as my family’s smart tv is recording everything anyone in my house ses and they have decided that a high resolution tv and netflix is more important than freedom i have kind of excepted that close to everything i do is monitored and i have to wait a few years to move out
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The FSF's certification process is about *software freedom* No, RYF is a software and hardware process... http://www.fsf.org/news/endorsement-criteria http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Certification_criteria You must be able to run free software on every layer, and there must be no spying. In this case, if the 3g modem runs free software, and doesn't spy, then this is truly a feature and not an anti-feature.
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However, there is an exception for secondary embedded processors. The exception applies to software delivered inside auxiliary and low-level processors and FPGAs, within which software installation is not intended after the user obtains the product. This can include, for instance, microcode inside a processor, firmware built into an I/O device, or the gate pattern of an FPGA. The software in such secondary processors does not count as product software. That should explain everything.
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tomlukeywood said: i hear that you can easily make a toy prosessor that would run at 100khz Tom If you want a toy processor make sure it barks like a Dog to chase your cat and Has an embedded spell check software for the word prosessor like you wrote.
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tomlukey I like your style! Extreme! Are you a TORrorist? :P
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sorry to hear that tom. You could wait for your parents to get asleep and then just take the stupid box and put in you car and then you go west until you reach a place like this. Make sure to leave your door slightly (barely) open so when they wake up in the morning they'll blame it on the thieves. ciao Tom!
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Haha, good joke, but I don't suggest to actually do that.
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It is discouraging about hardware with free software, or open source. You notice that it cannot be done. You watch other get to know about the importance of free software on hardware, they have to realize it too. If knowledgeable people like thinkpenguin cannot get free software on hardware, then who can? I already have posted about the lowrisc cpu. I did not get much response. My knowledge is, they want to build a board that in performance equals the pi 2. In a video I saw Bradbury say that not all hardware on the board will be open source on software. If assumed that the cpu will be open source on software. Cannot a mainboard be made that is open source on software? Can you double up on arm cpus until you get a performance that equals a duo core cpu, x86.
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Told you so. You pooh poohd me and called me a troll (Trolls write software, make music, 3d architecture, 3d models, gfx, sfx, etc etc right?) This is all to enforce America's feminist police state / empire world wide. To make the world safe for democracy/women. To make sure men cannot marry young girls anywhere on earth and those wishing to will be found out and prosecuted (and ofcourse other useful information will be sucked up) (peon men like us are not allowed privacy, freedom, and certainly CERTAINLY not autonomy). Women are a natural ally of the government and an eternal enemy of men*. Easily placated: aslong as they have it over the man and win in divorce (make the man a slave) they are happy. Men are not so easily placated. They always want more, and power. But a broken man can be controlled well enough. *(Men marry young female children instead when they can: in old europe an unmarried 13 year old would be a spinster forever: men did NOT want _women_ when they had the choice of a young _girl_: girls are nice, women are schemining enemies to all except their own offspring (this is the same with _ALL_ mammals except maybe cats who will adopt other cats offspring)) (Also allowed in the old testament: Deuteronomy 22 28-29 when read in hebrew) With the men as slaves (pay the woman (and the state) much money or go to jail for 6 months at a stretch each time you do not pay) they are controllable. The only hope is if a place like Russia/Royssia decideds to rebel and clones intel chips without the mal-features, like they did in soviet times with western products. Otherwise linux etc is done (systemd is another prong in this forked attack: very insecure and useless change)
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so what is the thing that stops you making a 1mhz prosessor or 100mhz prosessor? Answer: the fact that IC likes the ones I mentioned have a low level of integration. This means that they are very simple and so you would need too many to make a CPU comparable to modern ones (The Wikipedia article on VLSI leaves a lot to be desired, but it will give you a basic idea. Also search for “very large scale integration” and “transistor count”). The amount of logic gates that you can get by using logic gates like the series I mentioned is very limited; it would get very expensive soon. Bear in mind that transistor counts of 10⁸ are common for modern CPU's. A lot of that is used for cache, however. Also, I think that a lot of transistors are used to support obsolete features in x86. With a slow processor you won't need nearly that much cache, and since you probably won't use x86 (because of patents an the aforesaid burden of obsolete features). Also, the big size of these ICs limits their clock frequency because there is a big capacitance between tracks, pins and the transistor's gates and bodies (meaning that it takes current to charge and discharge them, and that current increases proportionately with frequency). As frequency increases, things behave increasingly as antennas and signals leak into adjacent components. For instance, you can connect an appliance to the domestic 60 Hz electric power supply without having special considerations for these effects, but you can see that special considerations are needed for things like Ethernet, just to name an example: the wires are twisted to reduce the interference and fading due to them acting as antennas, and also to maintain the correct impedance (See All About Circuits chapter Transmission Lines, especially sections 1, 2, 3 for a soft introduction to the topic of transmission lines and their characteristic impedance. For a more technical treatment see Telegrapher's equations in Wikipedia or in a specialized book). Looking at some 4000 series datasheets I see that common logic gates (and, nor, nand) take around 10 transistors because they include some overhead for buffering (inverters at input and output, and they use complementary logic in between). Unbuffered versions would need 4 transistors less than buffered versions, with the same functionality at the digital level but less good electrical characteristics. This gives you an idea of the sophistication you can attain with something like the 4000 series compared to modern CPUs. You seem to be using clock frequency as a measure of performance. For a given CPU, I think that the performance will scale approximately linearly with clock speed but the RAM and bus may increasingly behave as a bottleneck if the their clock speed is fixed and the clock speed of a CPU is increased (but I don't know how significant this effect is). However, in general it's not meaningful to compare different CPU with different microarchitectures (The design of the CPU) based on their clock speed. Believing otherwise is the megahertz or gigahertz myth (See megahertz myth). Also, bear in mind that the maximum switching frequency of the transistors a CPU (considered individually) is lesser than that of the gates, which is lesser than the clock speed. That is because once the input is changed, you have to wait until the change propagates to the output and stabilizes before relying on it or changing the input again. Several slightly sophisticated techniques are used to reduce this delay. For an example of these techniques as found to speed up adders at the expense of using more transistors, search for “carry-lookahead adder” (The Wikipedia article does not gives a good idea). Anyway, that was about building a CPU. Developing toy computers like the ones mentioned above won't help the situation of society. I mentioned this because you asked, but you don't need to design or manufacture a CPU in order to have a system fully compatible with free software;; at most, you'd need to integrate already manufactured integrated circuits into a board. Armory may be fully compatible with free software; I haven't checked, but it's just an example. You could (in principle, I don't suggest that you do this right now) likewise develop and crowd-finance a board fully compatible with free software if there isn't one already, or even use the commercial services provided for prototyping in order to make only a few boards without commercializing them. Free software needs to become mainstream, or at least that mainstream software is compatible with it, so that those who we care about our freedom in our computing can use it and inter-operate with society (a useful condition, but not strictly necessary to live in society), so that it will spread even more. That's why it is important that free software that replaces already existing
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It is discouraging about hardware with free software, or open source. You notice that it cannot be done. [...] If knowledgeable people like thinkpenguin cannot get free software on hardware, then who can? It can and has been done. Take a look at the Libreboot X200. It's sad to see what the current state of affairs is, but that's not a reason to get discouraged. All on the contrary, it's a remainder that we need to take action for the situation to change. Buy hardware like this when you need hardware, donate to projects that develop free software (including those that replaces proprietary firmware, even donating to ethical commercial ones like Gluglug is a good idea) or contribute work to them. Spread the word about the ethical and practical problem of proprietary software and centralization, and how free software solves them and has other practical benefits (zero cost for licenses and reliability is an attractive practical point, but don't forge to say that those are secondary to the ethical benefits). Remember, when Richard Stallman started the free software movement, free software didn't even exists as such and there wasn't a free operating system. He and other hackers began working to write a replacement for Unix (using Unix initially, and incrementally replacing Unix with what they had already, as far as I know).
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These professors teach how to build computer hardware using only nand-gates. They also teach how to make operating systems and programs for the nand-gate computer. http://nand2tetris.org/ I don't really know about computers. Could someone provide some insight about this?
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What kind of insight do you expect?. If you have any specific question try searching before asking here, and consider starting a new topic in the forum because this is already off-topic here. I think that all but the first post is on-topic in this thread.
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Also, no, I haven't checked every circuit and chip of the X60, but somewhere, eventually, you have to trust someone. I trust the FSF's certification process. That's obviously a giant misunderstanding: The FSF's certification process is about *software freedom*, a crucial and neccessary aspect of a pc respecting human rights, not mistreating its users, but it's _not_ the only one. It doesn't protect users from hardware backdoors, for instance. As far as i know, stallman adresses the issue with the term malicious circuits . It's true, we have to trust somebody to some extent. At the moment, we're trusting countless big ass companies which aren't trustworthy in the slightest. Consider a future in which 3d printers are really elaborate, making it actually possible to print our own hardware. It would not be impossible to check if the printer is really printing what you want; You could just do a lot of tests and look at the result; maybe some institutes like university would have to help out.
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i hear that you can easily make a toy prosessor that would run at 100khz source: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/3g-modems-coming-integrated-next-gen-intel-atom-real-time#comment-65888 so what is the thing that stops you making a 1mhz prosessor or 100mhz prosessor? what is the thing that suddenly make it so you have to buy a 9 billion dollar cpu factory? i think about 22mhz would be acceptable for modern computer use you would have to make a new operating system for it something like Kolibri OS it would be-able to run a gui and some basic modern program like a spreadsheet or powerpoint application or media player
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Why go through all the trouble when you can get RYF certified systems like the Libreboot X60? Hmm have you checked the whole X60 if it's mistreating you on hardware level? Every circuit, chip? I haven't. And you can't run around with a X60 for the next 20 years; the digital society we live in evolves very quickly, and life will demand more up-to-date specs; Sooner or later, we'll have to buy a new system, and this will be a real problem, as the post of chris shows once again.
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When I said it wouldn't be worth the trouble I was responding specifically to the suggestion... even if you had to put up with a 10 khz cpu it would beable to run very simple dos like systems and it would be a start Let's say it cost $5 billion to build a fab to produce a top of the line, multicore, x86_64 clone.. or it cost only $900 million to build a fab to produce a completely obsolete chip like a 10 khz chip. No business, bank, investor, or charity alive is going to give you $900 million to make an obsolete chip when you can just go out and buy old chips anyway. You've got a much better chance of getting the $5 billion to make an actual workable chip. Also, no, I haven't checked every circuit and chip of the X60, but somewhere, eventually, you have to trust someone. I trust the FSF's certification process. If you're insisting on building every little part yourself, you'll never get anything done. Because you'll have to use an existing system to build the tools that you're going to use. How do I know the systems you used to build your new systems are trustworthy?
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I don't think lowering the specs would bring down cost all that much, and it wouldn't achieve any real goal. You're still going to have to buy the machines, the clean rooms, RD, and all of that. Plus a 10 khz cpu would be next to worthless (I know you were picking an absurdly low clock rate on purpose), even a 486 MHz DX chipset is next to worthless now. Why go through all the trouble when you can get RYF certified systems like the Libreboot X60? Those actually have competitive specs and they don't have these problems. What actually makes a difference is using 100% free distros. Refusing to buy hardware that doesn't respect your freedom. Intel and AMD already have the power to make chips that respect your freedom, so either buy old stock, or refuse to upgrade. And learn to reverse engineer this garbage so you can work on projects like libreboot and linux-libre.
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Like rmmmusial said it's close to impossible to make your own semiconductor technology, primarly because the tecnology used to make them is ultra expensive, micro and nano technology is not something you can do even if you win many lotteries, and even if you could make something it probably wouldn't be worth it. However if you are interested in doing it just for fun, I believe that low freq 8-bit processors are achievable.
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dose anyone know if its possible to make your own motherboards, cpu's, gpu's, HDD's, etc Well, “to make” is open to interpretation. There is no single company (let alone individual) which does everything from the extraction of raw materials (I.e: mineral ores, raw petroleum, and so on) and outputs a finished CPU, GPU, hard disk, motherboard, and so on, so in this sense nobody and no company is solely responsible for “making” a chip or motherboard. There is a lot of companies and productive activities involved in the production of semiconductors. I don't know the whole chain. You are likely interested in the last links: The design and manufacturing of integrated circuits (especially CPUs), and the assembly of them into printed circuit boards. As mentioned above, the equipment to manufacture a CPU (whether comparable to an ARM, Intel or AMD CPU) is extremely expensive and takes people and knowledge to operate so it's not feasible for an individual to turn a silicon ingot (and all of the other already highly processed materials it takes) into a CPU. There are however, semiconductor companies that can be hired to manufacture integrated circuits given a design (I don't know how costly it is and what the minimum volumes are). Take a look at the lowRISC project; it seems like they will hire one such company to manufacture the CPU. They use the RISC-V instruction set architecture. RISC-V is a project about developing an instruction set architecture, implementation of it and related software (emulator, compiler, Linux port, etcetera). It seems a promising project. However, unfortunately both have the open source attitude. Manufacturing a motherboard is very different. It's a printed circuit board with macroscopic integrated circuits and connectors. Depending on the sophistication of a PCB it may be possible for an individual to take a blank PCB, etch, cut and drill it (not all are drilled), and solder the components. Through-hole components are easy to solder but most non-power components are
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If the machines available don't respect human rights and if we can't make our own, then we have to stop using these machines to the extent possible. That's a radical statement but it's logically consistent.
[Trisquel-users] 3G modems coming integrated with Next Gen Intel Atom (for real this time)
So there has been some speculation in the past on the integration of 3G modems in CPUs there is new news that its actually happening and not secretly either. I haven't read up on it much yet either, but I'm imagining this will be pretty obvious once released. Also to note is that the 3G is in the SOC and I'm assuming not on the CPU itself. I'm unsure about the antennas although we'll have to wait and see. In theory it might work without them, but I'm thinking probably not as it would reduce reception. http://hothardware.com/news/intel-announces-first-atom-soc-with-integrated-lte-modem
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dose anyone know if its possible to make your own motherboards, cpu's, gpu's, HDD's, etc how would you get the machines to make computer hardware? this seems like the only answer i don’t think we can just trust intel or amd and hope for the best
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Semiconductor fab shops require ungodly amounts of money. Fabs require many expensive devices to function. Estimates put the cost of building a new fab over one billion U.S. dollars with values as high as $3–4 billion not being uncommon. TSMC invested $9.3 billion in its Fab15 300 mm wafer manufacturing facility in Taiwan.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_fabrication_plant
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is there any way it could be cheaper if you were willing to have lower spec chips? like the arm cpu's
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true but as Intel's goal is profits and not human rights i think we rely need to fight back with computers made for the benefit of people and not the benefit of the few
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Honestly, I think it will be enough to respect Human Rights (HR). http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ We don't need more plants, what we need is to enforce the basic rights we are entitled with just because we are humans. I really think the solution will be found when we demand respect to HR. It's up to the citizens of the world to not let HR be just a soaked paper, not just something our grandparents once wrote.
