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I am very sorry for having recommended SMTube (as it is by default). I should have known better. Thank you a_slacker_here. Your comment made me think and helped me find a solution for using this beautiful program properly. Slacker is absolutely right! By default SMTube is not good for your privacy. His comment made me question about it being a browser (like firefox browser..) so I went to the smtube config folder and had a nice surprise.. I've been a great javascript enemy for a couple of years now and yet I was blindly allowing javascript in SMTube. :( I sent a mail to Ricardo Villalba who was very honest and fast in his reply. I will paste his mail here. It includes the solution for using his beautiful application in freedom. Hello. Yes, SMTube uses javascript. You can turn it off in the config file (~/.config/smtube/smtube2.ini). Set the option javascript (in the browser section) to false. However without javascript the menus in the page won't work. If you turn javascript off then you also get rid of the google analytics, since it uses javascript. About the cookies. I've just added (version r7053) a new option for the config file that allows to disable the cookies. Set the option use_cookies to false. For previous versions you can remove the file ~/.config/smtube/cookies.ini, create an empty cookies.ini and set it read only so that smtube won't be able to write the cookies. Again, sorry for recommending a program that by default uses js, google analytics and stores cookies. If you follow the above instructions you will fix smtube and everything will work great except of the menu which is useless anyway. You can search, browse, view and download the vids without any issue and without all the nonsense it ships by default. Here a tiny guide on how to download the vids: http://blog.smplayer.info/how-to-download-videos-with-the-new-smtube/ cheers
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what plugins exactly? You mean it will be possible to switch quality by right-clicking the video, choosing mp4 as a format and then choosing higher video quality?
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glad it worked for you. cheers
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Hi hack and hack. Make sure yuo have all the dependencies (libqtwebkit-dev included) and then just make. That's all it take to build smtube. No ./config or qmake are needed at all. cheers
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Thanks again SuperTramp83! I assume qmake/configure was already pre-made for this software. Anyway, it works. I'll learn all that in details on my way ;)
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I can't find any signature to verify the sourceforge download, nor any info on searx. Is that normal?
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Yes. You want to compile it if you want to be safe.
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Ok, so that uncompiled package will be verified as I compile it, got it. Thanks.
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did you get any errors installing? also youtube-dl-gui currently dosent show up as a icon in your application launcher normally when installed you have to run it from the command line with the command youtube-dl-gui then you get the gui interface
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I got the file, I extracted it, I'm in the right folder in the CLI, but neither qmake nor./configure are working for me. The Readme.txt doesn't help. My rights seem ok: ~/Téléchargements/smtube-15.5.17$ ls -la total 88 drwxrwxr-x 6 merwancz merwancz 4096 mai 18 00:51 . drwxr-xr-x 4 merwancz merwancz 12288 août 1 21:01 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 0 mai8 00:45 Changelog -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 206 mai8 00:45 clean_windows.cmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 3218 mai8 00:45 compile_windows.cmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz91 mai8 00:45 compile_windows_portable.cmd -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 18328 mai8 00:45 Copying.txt -rwxrwxr-x 1 merwancz merwancz 346 mai 18 00:49 create_deb.sh drwxrwxr-x 2 merwancz merwancz 4096 mai 18 00:51 debian-rvm -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 1678 mai8 00:45 getrev.cmd -rwxrwxr-x 1 merwancz merwancz 887 mai8 00:45 get_svn_revision.sh drwxrwxr-x 2 merwancz merwancz 4096 mai 18 00:51 icons -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 2640 mai8 00:45 Makefile -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 1631 mai9 04:04 Readme.txt drwxrwxr-x 4 merwancz merwancz 4096 mai 18 00:51 setup -rw-rw-r-- 1 merwancz merwancz 289 mai8 00:45 smtube.desktop drwxrwxr-x 4 merwancz merwancz 4096 mai 18 00:51 src I'm out of options. Help please!
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SMTube use google analytics because it is a simple browser, so using it is no secure.
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There's a setting to not use the cookies. And my internet connection is routed through a VPN all the time so, it's fine for me. But yeah, you are right. cheers
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I made my decision to leave facebook public, while suggesting Diaspora as an easy replacement. So far, one person switched, and I'm talking about a libre computing enthusiast... Either way, in a few weeks, I'll delete my account. I'll try to convince my other contacts without being heavy about it, and without sounding like a conspirationist freak. I'll have to make sure my communication comes across properly. And convincingly.
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Nice, thanks again :)
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That's the commands I tried. And I do have the Git folder cloned, but no youtube-dl-gui. But it's fine though, youtube-dl just works.
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You are welcome! https://robots.thoughtbot.com/the-magic-behind-configure-make-make-install
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+1 for **used**
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the first result in searx.me :P http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qmake-manual.html
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So the whole point is to be able to download the torrent file anonymously? it would not rely be anonymous as the pirate-bay only gives links to torrents you download outside the tor network the reason why i use the .onion link is in some country’s including myn the pirate-bay is censored and tor can bypass the censorship
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I really need some sleep... Sorry for that.
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Ah I see, it's a VPN alternative in that case. Interesting.
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Thanks, I'll check it out once I update avconv (youtube-dl doesn't work without this updated). For now I went with the how (simple and easy), the why is harder. Besides gathering facts and making all that compact enough to have enough punch (without being sensationalist), I don't see other options. No idea what the what can be, I'll check the video at some point anyway.
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Ah I see, thanks. So the whole point is to be able to download the torrent file anonymously? But then I'd have to download out of the Tor network anyway (since there's no way to use P2P through Tor anonymously), so what's the point?
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What's that onion link? it doesn't seem to work for me. I've read about some pirate browser, which seems overkill with a VPN. As for the big list of adresses/servers, how do I know that I'm on a trustworthy one? I mean there's are the only official versions? While we're on the subject, what's that GNUnet thing? I see it's some kind of file-sharing model, which has it's own GUI peer. Anyone uses that?
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What's that onion link? you use tor to open it https://www.torproject.org/
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In explanations, start with the why, then the how, then the what. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZoJKF_VuA (Use youtube-dl or mpsyt.)
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If you are still facebook used you can watch videos on Abroweser in their mobile version. That is what I used to do when I was a Facebook used.
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I use html5everywhere to watch videos on sites like Youtube on Abrowser's default player. With proper gstreamer plugins and configuring Abrowser(enabling mediasource in about:config) you can watch HD videos. https://trisquel.info/en/browser/addons/html5-video-everywhere You can right-click and save videos you want to download.
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You didn't need to add a url, its in the official repos.It works on most websites for me. All I do is type, from the command line, youtube-dl websiteurl.com and presto. puts it on the desktop.
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youtube-dl doesn't work for me yet, I probably did something wrong. I'll try again, but first I'll delete my ppas and start to learn how to compile if I can't get it from the repo. My quick experience with smtube seems great for youtube (at least I don't have to allow any js). But not so much for other websites. Well if youtube-dl works (I mean with any website or so), that should do it.
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Your browser problems have nothing to do with being libre though because you would have the same issues on any operating system. Its frustrating and overwhelming for the best of experts. After a while from experience you can take better guesses at what domains you have to allow for certain functions on a webpage and which are just trackers. If you are worried about noscripts whitelistdelete all the whitelisted pages in settings. Thats good security practice anyways because a hacker did demonstrate a couple weeks ago that one of the white listed certs or addresses had expired and he bought it for 5 dollars and put malicious code on it and noscript was whitelisting it. As for watching videos on tor, it never seems to be a problem, but i really don't use tor much except for logging into and clicking links from websites like this one, since its associated with people on IRC, as one example.
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ya its in the official repos, I haven't had problems with it yet. Only time it didn't work for me was on espn.com, but thats understandable. You have to sing in with your cable company account to view it and its probably drm or something.
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That's a very, very good point, thanks. I was so focused on libre browsing that I missed this simple fact somehow. I'm starting to get used to Noscript and RequestPolicy. I'll try to find a way to let the latter allow images and css by default though (or a good alternative). Thanks for the whitelist cleaning tip.
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Well its best to only use ppa that are well known and used by many, and are by reputable maintainers. I would never recommend some obscure software from a ppa noone has ever heard of it, imo its best if he just uses youtube-dl from the offical trisquel repos. Its also very easy to use.
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For example: www.watchcartoononline.com/ (not working with https). It doesn't seem to work with smtube. And it seems I didn't install youtube-dl properly, so I can't try yet.
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youtube-dl-gui is much easier to use than youtube-dl: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/play-videos-without-using-flash#youtube-dl-gui-tutorial
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Like, preventing the access to the data (video in that case). I mean when js is on, I must click on the ad to access to the video reader (to be able to press play). Since the URL is locked until some js is enabled (and some ad is clicked), there must be some if condition to complete in order to display the video player/URL. I wonder if it's possible to bypass that.
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the pirate-bay is a good site for downloading cartoons btw i notice a while ago somone removed the pirate bay .onion link from its Wikipedia page: before: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Pirate_Bayoldid=666749081 after: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Pirate_Bayoldid=666749570 the history of the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Pirate_Bayaction=history if anyone has a wikipeida account that can correc t this please do so(you have to of made 10 edits)
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I never thought about locking the database access if some script(s) isn't enabled. Most likely ads. I guess I'll try to find an alternative.
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I was not talking about youtube-dl. I know that package is in the repos. I was referring to smtube. The version of smtube in the repos doesn't work. He will have to compile it or trust the deb.
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i'm not sure what you mean by locking the database access?
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sudo apt-get install youtube-dl to download a vid from any of the sites supported (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html), you just need the url of the vid and in terminal: youtube-dl url example youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMpGdG27K9o This is how you compile smtube - being that the package smtube is in the repos you can take advantage of the command: sudo apt-get build-dep smtube On Debian 8 a further pdependency was needed: sudo apt-get install libqtwebkit-dev Now you have everything you need in order to compile it. You cd to the folder of the source code and: qmake make that will build the application and you'll find the executable in the folder. If you want to install it system wide: sudo make install
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ye i can't find the actual url to the videos in the page source to use from that site. just some embedded ones that won't work.It sure is pretty sketchy too you're right lol. lots of ads and popups and scripts everywhere.
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Thanks a lot SuperTramp83! So the build-dep is supposed to get the dependencies, ok. Then I'm supposed to get the package to compile from sourceforge. And extract it. But I found other commands in other tutorials, like ./configure and not qmake. About the install system wide: that means for all users?
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try SMTube for streaming YT vids and also set it so the right click of the mouse downloads the vid with youtube-dl. simple, fast and comfortable!
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nice tks.
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I think trusting ppas and external (to your OS repository) .debs is a naive way of doing your computing. Giving root privilege at the installation to some random software is not a very bright way to go. But then again that's just me. SMTube just like minitube (which now requires a google api key to perform the installation) doesn't require js and it is an application separated from and external to your browser. No js and no flash. It just allows you to browse and search for the YT vids, it then opens the vid with your video player of choice (vlc, smtube, totem etc..) and also to download them (with a nifty trick, being that YT new policy forbids to the developers to include the function to download the vids by default). cheers!
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Ok, so by default there's no js. And since it doesn't work with any online video, youtube-dl, as a program, is supposed to work without js as well, right? I doubt a bit about that since when I put a URL in, it displays images where it doesn't if I disable js. I got it from the ppa and it works for now, should I compile anyway?
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Thanks, I'll try it. Is it better than my current setup? I have noscript and requestpolicy running, and I sometimes allow some javascript through in order to either watch online or download, if I can't watch. SMTube can work with zero javascript?
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SMTube is not a plugin for your browser but... SMTube is an application that allows to browse, search and play YouTube videos. Videos are played back with a media player (by default SMPlayer) instead of a flash player, this allows better performance, particularly with HD content. You will need to install the latest version though (the one in the Trisquel repo does not work). You can download the .deb from the website but I highly recommend you compile it from source (it's easy). The latest source is here - http://sourceforge.net/projects/smtube/files/SMTube/15.5/smtube-15.5.17.tar.bz2
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I figured out that I can download some gif that don't work right off the bat. It's annoying, but acceptable (maybe I could automate through scripting that it opens in a new tab after the download or something). i don’t know why your having problems heres me looking at cats: http://92.19.232.58:82/files/cat_gifs.ogv do you have the same problem on other browsers? Flash videos + I'm willing to try the other plugins, but aren't they offering the exact same functionality? this is a video covering alot of plugins you can use to view flash videos without non-free software: https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/onpon4/m/tutorial-watching-videos-without-javascript/ I still ca download the videos though.(asssuming you ment cant download videos) you should also try to use youtube-dl-gui incase for whatever reason you cant view a video with viewtube: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/play-videos-without-using-flash
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Sorry for the typo, I actually CAN download most youtube videos without js for now, even with RequestPolicy and NoScript fully on (which breaks the css when I prevent ytimg.com on RequestPolicy). for other websites, I need to let some js through for now. And I can't access the link you gave me on either browser because noscript doesn't allow it. I need to let the ip adress through. Thanks for the links, I'm on it.
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you *can* watch gifs without js. stay libre!
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I can't even watch gifs, you can(cant you..?) flash videos normally you can see here: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/play-videos-without-using-flash , and navigating through html pages (css is not there sometimes) is not a pleasant experience. i am using icecat and have no such problems with html/css what browser are you using? I'm just arguing that the goal should be improved useability. this is i think one of the main goals of the trisquel project to have a fully free user friendly gnu/linux distro so i agree with you
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The only videos i've had to give up are facebook videos and facebook games lol. Other then that not using flash is barely noticeable for me. I have been using torbrowser for alot of web browsing, although on trisquel videos dont' work in it for me. I have no clue why. On other distros tor browser always played videos in all pages in html5. On trisquel i have to install the the html5 everywhere plugin, which only works on youtube. Which is the only place i really watch videos anyawys.. but i'm not sure if that extension compromises the anonymity. As far as usability, Trisquel is much easier to use compared to alot of gnu/inux distros with blobs. I keep telling people its like ubuntu or mint without the spyware. I'm really not sure what they can do to make it easier to use.
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I figured out that I can download some gif that don't work right off the bat. It's annoying, but acceptable (maybe I could automate through scripting that it opens in a new tab after the download or something). But I can still find some that demand some javascript. No way around it for now. Flash videos, well I only have Greasemonkey with the Viewtube script, which was perfect on youtube so far, until I figured out that Noscript had youtube.com and googlevideos.com enabled. I still ca download the videos though. I'm willing to try the other plugins, but aren't they offering the exact same functionality? (Actually I tried several of them, none worked for me on youtube until greasemonkey.) Regarding the css not always working (using both Abrowser and IceCat), it might be because of the request policy plugin. Maybe for some reason the css is requested from somewhere else, like an external image. It's not simple to know what to enable, and why. cooloutac, watching videos on Tor is not recommended because it is slow, and also slows down the traffic for everyone else. (You're of course free to keep doing it anyway, but at least you're aware of it.) Regarding Trisquel's usability itself, I have nothing much to say (maybe a compact intro to GNU/Linux, the command line, the file system, scripting, some basic stuff like that would be interesting). It's the web browsing experience (without javascript and with other anti-tracking plugins) that still feels incomplete, provided it's a good practice to disable it as much as possible. Noscript and Request Policy are hard to use because I'm not sure about what I'm enabling, even after looking for it. I'll stay libre, because I can't go back, and also because GNU/Linux is really impressive and interesting. But secure and confidential web browsing is not fully working for me yet, and demands too much tweaks for the average user who wouldn't even try past the first few problems. Hell, even I, after many trial error, can't fully make it work. Libre, confidential browsing without limitation (and without too much headache to setup). That would be even more awesome.
