Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
TL;DR long story short: Onpon looked at the rest from a superior position..
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I didn't declare that I was going to do anything. I only said that stalling in this way is not really helping and a proper solution is needed. > Some of us are fighting, and you are just > staying in your cloud and despising everything that happens > below. I don't "despise" anyone. But this manner of "fighting" is not effective. It's defensive, has too little popular support, and is doomed to cave at some point or another. Everything we do has a cost: opportunity cost. Time you spend calling representatives and begging them to oppose a bill, signing petitions, and explaining this basic stuff to the public again and again is time you are not spending doing something else, possibly something much more productive. I'm not spending 100% of my time productively. I'm only human. But if I want to do something productive, I work on libre software development, or some other thing that I know is doing some long-term good. Or, I brainstorm and try to come up with better things to do.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
On 11/09/18 21:27, wrote: > But even a stronger tone isn't going to make it any better over the > long-term, because at the end of the day it's still just a delay, > because the general population still doesn't care and another > opportunity to do the exact same thing will present itself. We need a > real solution, not a fake one. Sorry onpon, but I don't believe you. Why I am going to believe you would fight for "real change" when you aren't moving now? Change happens tomorrow at noon, not when you wish it to be scheduled. This is the moment that defines us. Some of us are fighting, and you are just staying in your cloud and despising everything that happens below. You are amongst the people that doesn't care, yet you think you can look at the rest from a superior position. You cannot. Should any "real change" happen in the future, it would probably not when you expected it, and also be achieved by people like me, not like you. -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es 0xC6AB2D51.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I didn't say "begging", but yes, that's really all that's going on. Using stronger words to describe what you're doing doesn't change that. This is a desparate, pleading tone. A stronger tone would be to threaten to vote them out of office. But even a stronger tone isn't going to make it any better over the long-term, because at the end of the day it's still just a delay, because the general population still doesn't care and another opportunity to do the exact same thing will present itself. We need a real solution, not a fake one.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
On 11/09/18 06:15, wrote: > Well, what does stopping this one bill with desperate pleas really > accomplish? Begging? I just told them that if they give way our freedom of expression just to please a lobby they would prove themselves to be a fraud. -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es 0xC6AB2D51.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I don't think it's just the lobbyists. There's a deeper problem: the general population doesn't care, and representatives and corporations know this. So how do we get the general population (not just a sizable, scattered minority) to care about these issues permanently (rather than for the month it takes to stop one particular law or agreement)? I'm not entirely sure. But it's going to require a lot of hard work, and spending so much time stalling takes away from that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
Well, what does stopping this one bill with desperate pleas really accomplish? There's a core problem here, and begging your representative to vote against this isn't solving that. It's like with net neutrality. There were efforts going on for years to take net neutrality away, and all anyone was willing to do is this kind of half-assed action, stalling it. Now we've lost net neutrality, and we're already seeing the effects of that. If we want a real solution - a victory - we need to clearly identify the source of the problem, and come up with a concrete plan to address it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
On 10/09/18 06:12, wrote: > I'm reminded of this article: > > http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2013/04/20/im-tired-of-this-protest-the-next-lettersoup-bill-shit/ > > > And honestly, I'm beyond sick of this kind of stuff too. So much that > I kind of hope that this bill passes just so a disaster can unfold and > force real change to occur. I call that "speaking like a loser". -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es 0xC6AB2D51.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
Sended mail to my MEPS by saveyourinternet
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I'm reminded of this article: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2013/04/20/im-tired-of-this-protest-the-next-lettersoup-bill-shit/ And honestly, I'm beyond sick of this kind of stuff too. So much that I kind of hope that this bill passes just so a disaster can unfold and force real change to occur.
