Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
cd: No need bro-as I already have them- I save all the messages I reply too-and have found it helps to do so-I am starting to realize why Webber films/tapes all his debates. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 5:22:38 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Should I dig up the past posts?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked. You had written: David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could read him better. Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this. I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-) Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires. As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Astrology being a reality check-after Blain mentioned Identical twins were different-Ask for forgivenessor be held accountable for partaking of paganpractices and for falsely accusing your brother in Christ.Start at the bottom and work up the page. cd: I am surprised and disappointed that you would be any part of this sin David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 6:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller Blai
Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. You had written: David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could read him better. Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this. I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-) Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires. As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Astrology being a reality check-after Blain mentioned Identical twins were different-Ask for forgivenessor be held accountable for partaking of paganpractices and for falsely accusing your brother in Christ.Start at the bottom and work up the page. cd: I am surprised and disappointed that you would be any part of this sin David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 6:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller Blaine, considering that I am an identical twin myself, I do understand how what you just said would be a reality check for astrology. :-) David Miller Born March 3, 1960 4:50 am Cleveland, Ohio. In a snow blizzard that dumped 24 inches of snow. David Miller p.s. Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn't helping you be too predictive after all. :-) Thank you David, I have wondered about that. Pisces is my opposite sign, and, being the sign of transition from Winter to Spring, i
Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
- Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked. You had written: David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could read him better. Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this. I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-) Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires. As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Astrology being a reality check-after Blain mentioned Identical twins were different-Ask for forgivenessor be held accountable for partaking of paganpractices and for falsely accusing your brother in Christ.Start at the bottom and work up the page. cd: I am surprised and disappointed that you would be any part of this sin David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 6:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller Blaine, considering that I am an identical twin myself, I do understand how what you just said would be a reality check for astrology. :-) David Miller Born March 3, 1960 4:50 am Cleveland, Ohio. In a snow blizzard that dumped 24 inches of snow. David Miller p.s. Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn't helping you be too predictive after all. :-) Thank y
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Should I dig up the past posts?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked. You had written: David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could read him better. Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this. I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-) Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires. As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Astrology being a reality check-after Blain mentioned Identical twins were different-Ask for forgivenessor be held accountable for partaking of paganpractices and for falsely accusing your brother in Christ.Start at the bottom and work up the page. cd: I am surprised and disappointed that you would be any part of this sin David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 6:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller Blaine, considering that I am an identical twin myself, I do understand how what you just said would be a reality check for astrology. :-) David Miller Born March 3, 1960 4:50 am Cleveland, Ohio. In a snow blizzard that dumped 24 inches of snow. David Miller p.s. Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that
Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
Dean in Blue below - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. You had written: David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could read him better. Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this. I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-) Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. cd:Then why did you give Blaine you birth date/info? I took this to be for a reading? David Miller Born March 3, 1960 4:50 am Cleveland, Ohio. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires. As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Astrology being a reality check-after Blain mentioned Identical twins were different-Ask for forgivenessor be held accountable for partaking of paganpractices and for falsely accusing your brother in Christ.Start at the bottom and work up the page. cd: I am surprised and disappointed that you would be any part of this sin David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 6:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller Blaine, considering that I am an identical twin myself, I do understand how what you just said would be a reality check for astrology. :-) David Miller Born March 3, 1960 4:50 am Cleveland, Ohio. In a snow blizzard that dumped 24 inches of snow. David Miller p.s. Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn't helping you be too predictive after all. :-) Thank you David, I have wondered about that. Pisces is my opposite sign, and, being the sign of transition from Winter to Spring, is next to Aries,
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dean writes: Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked. Dean, for those of us out here in the big city, "Is he lying?" is not the same as "he is a liar?"The first is a question and the latter is an accusation. David was only asking Judy Taylor forher opinion. jd - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked. You had written: David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could read him better. Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this. I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-) Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires. As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Astrology being a reality check-after Blain mentioned Identical twins were different-Ask for forgivenessor be held accountable for partaking of paganpractices and for falsely accusing your
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JD are you saying; "Frame your attacks in the form of a question"?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:dean writes: Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked.Dean, for those of us out here in the big city, "Is he lying?" is not the same as "he is a liar?"The first is a question and the latter is an accusation. David was only asking Judy Taylor forher opinion. jd- Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-MillerDean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked.You had written: David Miller was actually having Blainedo readings for Him-gave him his birthdated and even comment on how actuatethe reading were-have you ever heardof the likes from a man of God?I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably bornunder one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus,Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highlyindependent Aries characters, who never admitto being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could readhim better.Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this.I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess thatastrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-)Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires.As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology.David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-MillerJudy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading.David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Ast
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No, Kevin. I was saying, "The only way David could learn of Judy's opinion was to ask here." -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD are you saying; "Frame your attacks in the form of a question"? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dean writes: Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked. Dean, for those of us out here in the big city, "Is he lying?" is not the same as "he is a liar?"The first is a question and the latter is an accusation. David was only asking Judy Taylor forher opinion. jd - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar. Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you wereeitherlying or deceived. I gave her a third option: that you misunderstood. cd: Here is the very reason Ire-focused the Ad. Hom rule. You claim you did not say I was lying-yet you-David- wrote to Judy:"So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived?So tell me the difference between calling me a liar and this remark?The insult is still there-is it not. I feel attacked. You had written: David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? I believe this grossly misrepresents me, and the post you provide below proves this. Nothing in this post indicates that I was inquiring of Blaine to give me an astrological reading, and my comments dealt with how inaccurate his astrological perceptions were, not with how accurate they were. Blaine wrote: Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the fourfixedsigns--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knewfor sure, I could read him better. Well, Blaine guessed wrong, and so I told him so. Not only that, but he mentions nearly half the signs of the zodiac and still misses me! There is absolutely nothing accurate about this. I wrote: Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn'thelping you be too predictive after all. :-) Then Blaine admitted to the problem that identical twins pose to astrology. Apparently Dean has some other interpretation of what "reality check" means. Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding, but I took it that Blaine was admitting to problems in astrology. Identical twins have different personalities, yet are born very close to the same time.Giving himmy personal informationwasfor his benefit, not mine. I don't care about any"reading" and anybody who knows me knows this to be true. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to talk with someone about their astrological beliefs, nor even todivulgeinformation about me thatmight be usedtorefute thevalidity of astrology. He claimed he missed it because of a lack of information. Did he?An easy way to test this is to provide him the information he says he requires. As for the Biblical prohibitions against astrology, we have already been over this. I uphold the Bible's prohibition against it, andthe last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well. Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you
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Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Understanding is not the issue here Lance ... Did David Miller inquire of Blaine's expertise in astrologyregarding his birth sign? He either did or he did not regardless of personal views If he did then he IS NOT being misrepresented here. IF he DID NOT then someone is lying about it or genuinely deceived (with same outcome) On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:54:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures? From: Kevin Deegan Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin- David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!
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FTR, Blaine sent me an email when it learned it was my birthday last summer and offered to do an in-depth astrology reading for me and also not to tell anyone on TT about it. I asked him if he thought the Bible taught against such things, and he never responded. He is one sneaky fellow IMO. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Understanding is not the issue here Lance ... Did David Miller inquire of Blaine's expertise in astrologyregarding his birth sign? He either did or he did not regardless of personal views If he did then he IS NOT being misrepresented here. IF he DID NOT then someone is lying about it or genuinely deceived (with same outcome) On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:54:14 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures? From: Kevin Deegan Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin- David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point. Kevin Deegan wrote: You .. are a pagan is not the same as Your beliefs are pagan For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul
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cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is entirely right when he speaks of a faulty reading. So do you now conclude that Dean islying or is genuinely deceived? I prefer to think of it as a misunderstanding, not understanding what he is reading. David Miller -- cd: I don't appreciate being called a Liar David- Hereare the post to support my statements.You gave Blaine you birth date (Highlighted in Red)for a reading and you remarked you were an identical twinand understood about Astrology being a reality check-after Blain mentioned Identical twins were different-Ask for forgivenessor be held accountable for partaking of paganpractices and for falsely accusing your brother in Christ.Start at the bottom and work up the page. cd: I am surprised and disappointed that you would be any part of this sin David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 6:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller Blaine, considering that I am an identical twin myself, I do understand how what you just said would be a reality check for astrology. :-) David Miller Born March 3, 1960 4:50 am Cleveland, Ohio. In a snow blizzard that dumped 24 inches of snow. David Miller p.s. Blaine... my astrological sign is pices. I guess that astrology isn't helping you be too predictive after all. :-) Thank you David, I have wondered about that. Pisces is my opposite sign, and, being the sign of transition from Winter to Spring, is next to Aries, the sign that ushers in Springtime (1st degree Aries is also the first day of Spring). I believe all things are written in the stars--the trick is in reading them accurately. :) I try, and sometimes get pretty close to people by doing so. But humans are so complex!! Astrology helps, but is not, of course, infallible. But thanks for being open--lots of people will not divulge their birth info to me, probably think by doing so I might form unjustified opinions of them. :) One thing, though, without precise birth info--date, time of day, and place of birth--you can't tell too much beyond generalities. The beauty of precise astrological analysis is that no two personalities can ever be the same--not even identical twins--which is a reality check for astrology few people understand. Blainer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Behind the scenes conversations re:David Miller In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:02:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've not forgotten you, David. IMO, you are both incorrect and immoveable on at least a portion of that which is under discussion. What I've got to determine is whether or not it is worth the 'ink' to engage further with you given what I've just said. I'm checking around with some who've read you over time. Lance. Yes, David is pretty fixed--he was probably born under one of the four fixed signs--Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, or Aquarius. Or, he's one of those highly independent Aries characters, who never admit to being wrong!! If I knew for sure, I could read him better. Blainerb -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Understanding is not the issue here Lance ... Did David Miller inquire of Blaine's expertise in astrologyregarding his birth sign? He either did or he did not regardless of personal views If he did then he IS NOT being misrepresented here. IF he DID NOT then someone is lying about it or genuinely deceived (with same outcome) On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:54:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevi
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cd: Good idea John-Stay with the jokesrather thenquoting the Bible as you will get in less trouble in the judgement that way. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 12:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller It is quite clear that the presense of the Mormon population on TT has nothing to do with the current problems of TT. I am a surprised, I must admit, to hearing of Dean's admission that he thinks of this forum as some sort of mission opportunity forthe SP ing crowd. This reminds me of ajoke a baptist brother told me about the Church of Christ in heaven. I won't bore you with full joke, but the punch line was "Not so loud - they think they're the only ones up here." Being here on TT - I kind of feel like I died and went to heaven !! jd -- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error.DAVEH: Which believer on TT do you think either of us (LDS) has led astray, Judge Dean?if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among ChristiansDAVEH: And your solution is.to not allow Mormons on TT?God's spirit knew and gave this ProphecyDAVEH: To whom did he give this Prophecy, Judge Dean? DavidM is the only self pr oclaimed prophet on TT of who I am aware. I do not recall him suggesting that God gave him this Prophecy, so do you know of other prophets on TT? Who receive said this Prophecy?moresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.DAVEH: Which TTers have been harmed, and what change do you propose?This is going to get real personal-real soonDAVEH: It seems to me that you opened that door, Judge Dean. Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.' cd : Yeah and the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. This act of leadership by a Mormon doesn't get more Pagan than this -no small wonder the evil spirit behind the Mormon's wouldn't want to be identified as such-It can cause more harm if it appears as an Angle of light. Reminds me of the first time I can on this site and warned David that this event would happen if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians without a clear understanding of what they are-and wasignored-this was before I even knew what a Mormon was and only preached at intersections-but God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy.It seems that history must repeat itself andmoresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.Question for you Kevin: Is aPagan by any other name still a Pagan? And my brother in Christ-This is going to get real personal-real soon. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of
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- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 12:33:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error.DAVEH: Which believer on TT do you think either of us (LDS) has led astray, Judge Dean? cd: Redundant question/ Already answered Dave.if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among ChristiansDAVEH: And your solution is.to not allow Mormons on TT? cd: No absolute not -Mormons are indeed welcome on TT-I would defend their rights as well as almost any one else.Believe it or not I am not trying to remove anybody from TT- I am trying to get this site under control-but this is an unruly bunch-who has chosen to provoke a fight rather then comply-So I am giving you guys what you ask for.If you want it nice then be nice if you want it rough I can give that also. I am merely a reflection of the group as Moderator.Did you notice that David spoke of the group voting for the rules-which required total agreement from TT. Has this ever happened in the history of this site?But to the point -the group decides what they want. Consider my present form of debate the same as that. Dave. God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy DAVEH: To whom did he give this Prophecy, Judge Dean? DavidM is the only self proclaimed prophet on TT of who I am aware. I do not recall him suggesting that God gave him this Prophecy, so do you know of other prophets on TT? Who receive said this Prophecy? cd: Matt:7:6moresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.DAVEH: Which TTers have been harmed, and what change do you propose? cd: redundant question/ already answered. You seem paranoid Dave-relax-Your history has proved that you get into trouble when you get all worked up-relax-I am not after putting you off this site- I am only after your soul (for your betterment) :-)This is going to get real personal-real soonDAVEH: It seems to me that you opened that door, Judge Dean. Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? cd: The truth is always personal as is the soul.That is why we say:" one can have a personal relationship with the Christ of the Bible"- the pain in hell is also personal DavH. How can one root out the problem if the problem cannot be addressed? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.' cd : Yeah and the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. This act of leadership by a Mormon doesn't get more Pagan than this -no small wonder the evil spirit behind the Mormon's wouldn't want to be identified as such-It can cause more harm if it appears as an Angle of light. Reminds me of the first time I can on this site and warned David that this event would happen if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians without a clear understanding of what they are-and wasignored-this was before I even knew what a Mormon was and only preached at intersections-but God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy.It seems that history must repeat itself andmoresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.Question for you Kevin: Is aPagan by any other name still a Pagan? And my brother in Christ-This is going to get real personal-real soon. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them
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cd: If you find yourself in the afterlife surrounded by Mormons and smell of sulfur in the air -then you are not in Heaven-and the glow is not the sun setting;-) - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 1:36:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller I am a surprised, I must admit, to hearing of Dean's admission that he thinks of this forum as some sort of mission opportunity forthe SP ing crowd. DAVEH: That has always been the intention of some. That it conflicts in part with the reasons DavidM established TT seems to go over the head of many. I'm sure DavidM would hope some evangelistic successes be achieved here, but I never had the impression that was his prime concern. If I'm wrong with that assessment, I hope he posts a clarification.I kind of feel like I died and went to heaven !!DAVEH: LOL..When that day does arrive, perhaps you'll find more Mormons there than some might expect! :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is quite clear that the presense of the Mormon population on TT has nothing to do with the current problems of TT. I am a surprised, I must admit, to hearing of Dean's admission that he thinks of this forum as some sort of mission opportunity forthe SP ing crowd. This reminds me of ajoke a baptist brother told me about the Church of Christ in heaven. I won't bore you with full joke, but the punch line was "Not so loud - they think they're the only ones up here." Being here on TT - I kind of feel like I died and went to heaven !! jd -- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error.DAVEH: Which believer on TT do you think either of us (LDS) has led astray, Judge Dean?if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among ChristiansDAVEH: And your solution is.to not allow Mormons on TT?God's spirit knew and gave this ProphecyDAVEH: To whom did he give this Prophec y, Judge Dean? DavidM is the only self pr oclaimed prophet on TT of who I am aware. I do not recall him suggesting that God gave him this Prophecy, so do you know of other prophets on TT? Who receive said this Prophecy?moresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.DAVEH: Which TTers have been harmed, and what change do you propose?This is going to get real personal-real soonDAVEH: It seems to me that you opened that door, Judge Dean. Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.' cd : Yeah and the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. This act of leadership by a Mormon doesn't get more Pagan than this -no small wonder the evil spirit behind the Mormon's wouldn't want to be identified as such-It can cause more harm if it appears as an Angle of light. Reminds me of the first time I can on this site and warned David that this event would happen if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians without a clear understanding of what they are-and wasignored-this was before I even knew what a Mormon was and only preached at intersections-but God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy.It seems that history must repeat itself andmoresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.Question for you Kevin: Is aPagan by any other name still a Pagan? And my brother in Christ-This i s going to get real personal-real soon. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall th
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Illustration of those who have to remove portions of sentences to twist misquote Now have to remove letters! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:interesting On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Just what is a nuance..?|| Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Does the dictionary define all things Mormon?Official Church Manuals say the Prophet is "God's SOLE mouthpiece on earth for the Church" Teachings of the Living Prophets p 13 CJCLds He is even able to "go BEYOND or ADD to the scriptures" p 18Also aren't you transgressing one of your rules? I have no right to tell you what you believe and apparently what LDS believe. How then do you or the dictionary abrogate the rule of God? Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian.DAVEH: Who does authoritatively make that distinction in your eyes, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble!Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter. --~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
[TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT? Just wonderin...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" Those who haveeyes, let them see, Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: ; I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non ChristianDAVEH: What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean??? Does any other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his explanation?You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom, and I will request Judge Moore take the appropriate action if you do not wish to
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Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:35 Subject: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT? Just wonderin...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom W
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Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble!Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ?Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO)OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT? Just wonderin...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-homWhy is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" Those who haveeyes, let them see, Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: ; I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-homWhy is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the
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Just what is a nuanced take? Is it a made up term so that one can charge $100 dollars a plate for finger food?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures?- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:35 Subject: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ?Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO)OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT? Just wonderin...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-homWhy is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" Those who haveeyes, let them see, Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: ; I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. T
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Understanding is not the issue here Lance ... Did David Miller inquire of Blaine's expertise in astrologyregarding his birth sign? He either did or he did not regardless of personal views If he did then he IS NOT being misrepresented here. IF he DID NOT then someone is lying about it or genuinely deceived (with same outcome) On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:54:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures? From: Kevin Deegan Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin- David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT? Just wonderin...[EMAIL
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- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/11/2006 9:11:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.' cd : Yeah and the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. This act of leadership by a Mormon doesn't get more Pagan than this -no small wonder the evil spirit behind the Mormon's wouldn't want to be identified as such-It can cause more harm if it appears as an Angle of light. Reminds me of the first time I can on this site and warned David that this event would happen if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians without a clear understanding of what they are-and wasignored-this was before I even knew what a Mormon was and only preached at intersections-but God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy.It seems that history must repeat itself andmoresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.Question for you Kevin: Is aPagan by any other name still a Pagan? And my brother in Christ-This is going to get real personal-real soon. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said thi
Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/11/2006 6:54:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures? cd: You seem to twist truth and scripture almost as well as Mormons on this site do-if it suit you needs of the moment-therefore truth is secondary to you selfish needs. Jesus Christ said lest you die to your self you will be no means enter the kingdom of heaven-For the sake of your soul I suggest you heed these words. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:35 Subject: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT? Just wonderin...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the s
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myth (also, the lack of certainty reveals the shallowness of the threat written with hostility) On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:18:12 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || You seem to twist truth ..For the sake of your soul I suggest you heed these words. ||
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How can you so glibly mistake love for hostility Since you have never repented for calling me a liar for stating that Jesus is the TRUTH You should be extolling his grace(Dean's that is) On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:28:14 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (also, the lack of certainty reveals the shallowness of the threat written with hostility) On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:18:12 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || You seem to twist truth ..For the sake of your soul I suggest you heed these words. ||
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interesting On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Understanding is not the issue here Lance
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actuate the reading were -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan!DAVEH: OK Kevinspecifically in what way do draw that conclusion? What is it that you think I believe that qualifies as a pagan belief? First, you may want to define what you think pagan means so we will have a common starting point.Kevin Deegan wrote: "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" For the sake of Lance (IYO) OK let me chime in I will restate it for Dean DH's BELIEFS are Pagan! So does the BIBLE practice ADHOMS? AND name names! Sop let me get this straight Paul should NOT have said: Acts 13 Elymas the sorcerer ... PAUL SAYS: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? SHOULD BE And said, O full of all subtilty beliefs and all beliefs of mischief, thou child with beliefs of the devil, thoubelieving againstall righteousness, wilt thou not cease believing to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (what VERSION would this be? ) Since Paul was FULL of the Holy Ghost (IMO VS 9)when he said this does that mean God called Elymas A DEVIL? Is God ADHOM? Did God call him a PERVERT? Just wonderin...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" Those who haveeyes, let them see, Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: ; I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non ChristianDAVEH: What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean??? Does any other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his explanation?You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above
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interesting On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just what is a nuance..? ||
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LOL -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] interesting On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Understanding is not the issue here Lance ---BeginMessage--- interesting On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Understanding is not the issue here Lance ---End Message---
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DavidM has some grace, it appears, sortalike DaveH's; thoroughgoing legalism sounds like it'sgonna whipsome adult'sass likea child's legalism questioning 'understanding' alsosanctions it On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:34:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || You should be extolling his grace(Dean's that is) ||
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The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. DAVEH: Who does authoritatively make that distinction in your eyes, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. DAVEH: Which believer on TT do you think either of us (LDS) has led astray, Judge Dean? if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians DAVEH: And your solution is.to not allow Mormons on TT? God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy DAVEH: To whom did he give this Prophecy, Judge Dean? DavidM is the only self proclaimed prophet on TT of who I am aware. I do not recall him suggesting that God gave him this Prophecy, so do you know of other prophets on TT? Who receive said this Prophecy? moresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made. DAVEH: Which TTers have been harmed, and what change do you propose? This is going to get real personal-real soon DAVEH: It seems to me that you opened that door, Judge Dean. Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.' cd : Yeah and the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. This act of leadership by a Mormon doesn't get more Pagan than this -no small wonder the evil spirit behind the Mormon's wouldn't want to be identified as such-It can cause more harm if it appears as an Angle of light. Reminds me of the first time I can on this site and warned David that this event would happen if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians without a clear understanding of what they are-and wasignored-this was before I even knew what a Mormon was and only preached at intersections-but God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy.It seems that history must repeat itself andmoresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.Question for you Kevin: Is aPagan by any other name still a Pagan? And my brother in Christ-This is going to get real personal-real soon. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pagan is used to distinguish one from a Christian and a Mohammedan. PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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It is quite clear that the presense of the Mormon population on TT has nothing to do with the current problems of TT. I am a surprised, I must admit, to hearing of Dean's admission that he thinks of this forum as some sort of mission opportunity forthe SP ing crowd. This reminds me of ajoke a baptist brother told me about the Church of Christ in heaven. I won't bore you with full joke, but the punch line was "Not so loud - they think they're the only ones up here." Being here on TT - I kind of feel like I died and went to heaven !! jd -- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error.DAVEH: Which believer on TT do you think either of us (LDS) has led astray, Judge Dean?if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among ChristiansDAVEH: And your solution is.to not allow Mormons on TT?God's spirit knew and gave this ProphecyDAVEH: To whom did he give this Prophecy, Judge Dean? DavidM is the only self pr oclaimed prophet on TT of who I am aware. I do not recall him suggesting that God gave him this Prophecy, so do you know of other prophets on TT? Who receive said this Prophecy?moresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.DAVEH: Which TTers have been harmed, and what change do you propose?This is going to get real personal-real soonDAVEH: It seems to me that you opened that door, Judge Dean. Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.' cd : Yeah and the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. This act of leadership by a Mormon doesn't get more Pagan than this -no small wonder the evil spirit behind the Mormon's wouldn't want to be identified as such-It can cause more harm if it appears as an Angle of light. Reminds me of the first time I can on this site and warned David that this event would happen if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians without a clear understanding of what they are-and wasignored-this was before I even knew what a Mormon was and only preached at intersections-but God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy.It seems that history must repeat itself andmoresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.Question for you Kevin: Is aPagan by any other name still a Pagan? And my brother in Christ-This is going to get real personal-real soon. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast labored, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. cd: Has David defiled himself ? My suggestion is for repentence to be given-in sackcloth and ashes if need be-Serous matter. PA'GAN, n. [L. paganus, a peasant or countryman, from pagus, a village.] A heathen; a Gentile; an idolater; one who worships false gods. This word was originally applied to the inhabitants of the country, who on the first propagation of the christian religion adhered to the worship of false gods, or refused to receive christianity, after it had been received by the inhabitants of the cities. In like manner, heathen signifies an inhabitant of the heath or woods, and caffer, in Arabic, signifies the inhabitant of a hut or cottage, and one that does not receive the religion of Mohammed. Pag
Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
I am a surprised, I must admit, to hearing of Dean's admission that he thinks of this forum as some sort of mission opportunity forthe SP ing crowd. DAVEH: That has always been the intention of some. That it conflicts in part with the reasons DavidM established TT seems to go over the head of many. I'm sure DavidM would hope some evangelistic successes be achieved here, but I never had the impression that was his prime concern. If I'm wrong with that assessment, I hope he posts a clarification. I kind of feel like I died and went to heaven !! DAVEH: LOL..When that day does arrive, perhaps you'll find more Mormons there than some might expect! :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is quite clear that the presense of the Mormon population on TT has nothing to do with the current problems of TT. I am a surprised, I must admit, to hearing of Dean's admission that he thinks of this forum as some sort of mission opportunity forthe SP ing crowd. This reminds me of ajoke a baptist brother told me about the Church of Christ in heaven. I won't bore you with full joke, but the punch line was "Not so loud - they think they're the only ones up here." Being here on TT - I kind of feel like I died and went to heaven !! jd -- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. DAVEH: Which believer on TT do you think either of us (LDS) has led astray, Judge Dean? if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians DAVEH: And your solution is.to not allow Mormons on TT? God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy DAVEH: To whom did he give this Prophecy, Judge Dean? DavidM is the only self pr oclaimed prophet on TT of who I am aware. I do not recall him suggesting that God gave him this Prophecy, so do you know of other prophets on TT? Who receive said this Prophecy? moresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made. DAVEH: Which TTers have been harmed, and what change do you propose? This is going to get real personal-real soon DAVEH: It seems to me that you opened that door, Judge Dean. Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble! Just more FALSE PROPHETS, I agree it is a serious matter.' cd : Yeah and the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has leadthe believerto this error. This act of leadership by a Mormon doesn't get more Pagan than this -no small wonder the evil spirit behind the Mormon's wouldn't want to be identified as such-It can cause more harm if it appears as an Angle of light. Reminds me of the first time I can on this site and warned David that this event would happen if the Mormons were allowed to dwell among Christians without a clear understanding of what they are-and wasignored-this was before I even knew what a Mormon was and only preached at intersections-but God's spirit knew and gave this Prophecy.It seems that history must repeat itself andmoresoulsmust be harmed before a change is made.Question for you Kevin: Is aPagan by any other name still a Pagan? And my brother in Christ-This i s going to get real personal-real soon. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology.. What do you think of such? cd: It goes much deeper than that Bro. Kevin-David Miller was actually having Blaine do readings for Him-gave him his birth dated and even comment on how actuate the reading were-have you ever heard of the likes from a man of God? No different then what we saw in front of the Catholic off Bourbon street remember? Seems that some believers won't request God'sprediction on the future or even ask Him they have to inquire of spirits.Here is God's take on the matter. Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be
