Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Christ

2005-12-23 Thread Blainerb473




 
With paerry's permission, I would appreciate it if you would 
list the characteristics descriptive of Jesus in Mormon scripture -- 
not including the KJ Mormon bible. Just your scriptures. 
Speak as a Mormon, please and not with merely personal conviction. 


Thanks, 

jd


Blainerb: Listing all His characteristics as indicated in 
"Mormon" scriptures would be difficult, time-wise at least. But will defer 
to your request as much as I have time to do so . . . The following are from the 
Doctrine and Covenants--they are either his words directly, or spoken under the 
influence of his Holy Spirit.
I will try to go to the Book of Mormon tomorrow, or as soon as I 
find time.

He is the only Savior of 
Mankind:
"Hear, oh ye heavens, and give ear, oh earth, and rejoice ye inhabitants 
thereof, for the Lord is God, and besides him, there is no Savior."

"I am Alpha and Omega, Christ the Lord; yea, even I am he, the beginning 
and the end, the Redeemer of the world."

Heis themost wise:
"Great is his wisdom, marvelous are his ways, and the extent of his doings, 
nonecan find out."

He is the most powerful:
"His purposes fail not, neither are there any who can stay his hand."

He lives!!
"And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is 
the testimony, last of all, that we give of him: that he lives. For we saw 
him, even on the right hand of God; (Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery 
speaking)

He is the only begotten Son of the 
Father:
And we heard the voice bearing record that he is the only begotten of the 
Father . . .

He is the creator:
That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, 
and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.


He is subject to the will of the 
Father:
"And we beheld the glory of the Son, on the right hand of the Father, 



(The following are all continuous, Jesus Christ speaking) "I, having 
accomplished and finished the will of Him whose I am, even the Father, 
concerning me--having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself . . 
.
He will destroy Satan and his works at the last 
day:
"retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the 
end of the world, and the last great day of judgement . . .
He will reward men according to their deeds, good or 
evil
"which I shall pass upon the inhabitants thereof, judging every man 
according to his works and the deeds which he has done."

I fully believe these wordsareeither those ofthe 
living Christ, or were spoken under the influence of his spirit--either way, 
they are divine scripture, and therefore are binding on all who read them.
Blainerb

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The Jesus of the Bible is the same 
as the one in the BoM and the DC--if you knew the one in the Bible 
better, you would recognize him in the BoM and DC--unfortunately, your 
concepts of him come from your traditions, which are largely of men. 
The Mormon Jesus is one who still has power to perform miracles, and to do a new thing--the traditions you teach have 
emasculated him beyond recognition--your Jesus is impotent--unable to work 
or act without the approval of your confused ministers or your 
stand-in-your-own-light, self-appointed preachers.
Blainerb




Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Christ

2005-12-21 Thread knpraise

With paerry's permission, I would appreciate it if you would list the characteristics descriptive of Jesus in Mormon scripture -- not including the KJ Mormon bible. Just your scriptures. Speak as a Mormon, please and not with merely personal conviction. 

Thanks, 

jd

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The Jesus of the Bible is the same as the one in the BoM and the DC--if you knew the one in the Bible better, you would recognize him in the BoM and DC--unfortunately, your concepts of him come from your traditions, which are largely of men. The Mormon Jesus is one who still has power to perform miracles, and to do a new thing--the traditions you teach have emasculated him beyond recognition--your Jesus is impotent--unable to work or act without the approval of your confused ministers or your stand-in-your-own-light, self-appointed preachers.
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:36:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:






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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

In a message dated 12/16/2005 8:59:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


discerning the difference . . .

cd: And the sad part is you actually believe a man who said there were 6 ft quaker like people living on the moon-as a prophet of God-very sad indeed.

He may have said that, but he also testified of the reality of Jesus Christ. Would you count that as being uninspired?
Blainerb
cd: You and DaveH both mention Jesus Christ but it is not the Christ on the Bible-as was Smiths Christ not of God.If he was inspired then Smiths word would reflect Christ words they do not do so.Therefore the only conclusion I can draw from that is Smith is speaking of another Christ.Simular to the Jesus that RCC teachs-They made unto themselves a Christ that allows for Idol worship and sell him to people for attendance to their Church.




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In a message dated 12/14/2005 5:00:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cd: The why don't Mormons live by Jesus's words instead of Smith's words.

Blainerb: . Smith lived and died for his testimony of Jesus Christ, whom he saw and spoke with on several occasions. Smith was His prophet, just as Moses was his prophet.There are exciting parallels between the two, in fact. If JS ever spoke anything contrary to the mind and will of the Lord, he spoke of himself. Being a man, having the weaknesses of a man, he may have done that on occasion. But that did not mean he was not a prophet who revealed the mind and will of Jesus Christ to man in these last days. Use the Holy Spirit, and the spirit of charity to be your guide in discerning the difference . . .

cd: And the sad part is you actually believe a man who said there were 6 ft quaker like people living on the moon-as a prophet of God-very sad indeed.