[tslug] Re: Cobol

2003-10-07 Thread Nathaniel Green
Don't be offended if I stay a safe distance away.

Nate

Benjamin Story wrote:

COBOL's death has been greatly exagerated.  I'll be at Career Expo in
a few weeks recruiting for new COBOL programmers.
 





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[tslug] Re: Cobol

2003-10-07 Thread Bob Ackerman
I don't think anyone said COBOL was the best, but there are so many 
systems out there still using it. Yes, the impression is that PCs rule 
the world, yet many business people know that for all the thousands of 
PCs out there there are hundreds of AS/400s and mainframes driving large 
scale systems, and they run COBOL and RPG (and C, C++, Perl, etc.).

Yes I agree that Linux is cool, its the best, and it's going to kick 
Microsoft where Bill needs to be kicked. But, as IBM realized, that the 
Linux community is started to, interaction with legacy large scale 
systems is a requirement for the success of Linux. Linux won't replace 
them, Linux will work with them.

Bob Ackerman



Ian Monroe wrote:

On Tuesday 07 October 2003 10:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Don't worry, I won't be.  I may be recruiting for it, but I prefer to
play with my Linux boxen and if necessary a few windows servers.
 

Are you aware of these projects?

http://www.open-cobol.org/

http://tiny-cobol.sourceforge.net/

Check out the status pages for COBOL-85 compliance.

And there are commercial COBOL compilers available for non-PC platforms.
In COBOL-speak, that means the IBM zSeries - which runs Linux as the OS.
Now you can combine the best of both worlds - COBOL *AND* Linux. :=)
   

In what sick world is COBOL the best?

 

Mike/
   

 





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[tslug] Re: Cobol

2003-10-07 Thread Benjamin Story
The biggest thing holding back Linux in the enterprise when it comes
to replacing big iron is that it's biggest proponent also sells the
AS/400s that cost $50,000 and are worth $5,000 once you open the crate
(I'm not exagerating much on this, our accountants hate the
depreciation on our AS/400).  

Our shop is 99.999% COBOL and RPG(no not DD).  One thing that irks me
about this fact is that the programs running on the AS/400 are
generally buggier than even Microsoft code because (no offense to the
older programmers on this list), most of the COBOL coders are set in
the mindset of how programming was done 20 years ago.  Error handling?
Oh you mean having a 24/7 computer operator to tell the program to
ignore bad data when it crashes because of it.  A good modern
programmer with COBOL knowledge can be pretty well set in the job
market right now.


On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:56:39PM -0500, Bob Ackerman wrote:
 I don't think anyone said COBOL was the best, but there are so many 
 systems out there still using it. Yes, the impression is that PCs rule 
 the world, yet many business people know that for all the thousands of 
 PCs out there there are hundreds of AS/400s and mainframes driving large 
 scale systems, and they run COBOL and RPG (and C, C++, Perl, etc.).
 
 Yes I agree that Linux is cool, its the best, and it's going to kick 
 Microsoft where Bill needs to be kicked. But, as IBM realized, that the 
 Linux community is started to, interaction with legacy large scale 
 systems is a requirement for the success of Linux. Linux won't replace 
 them, Linux will work with them.
 
 
 Bob Ackerman
 
 
 
 Ian Monroe wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 07 October 2003 10:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
 Don't worry, I won't be.  I may be recruiting for it, but I prefer to
 play with my Linux boxen and if necessary a few windows servers.
  
 
 Are you aware of these projects?
 
 http://www.open-cobol.org/
 
 http://tiny-cobol.sourceforge.net/
 
 Check out the status pages for COBOL-85 compliance.
 
 And there are commercial COBOL compilers available for non-PC platforms.
 In COBOL-speak, that means the IBM zSeries - which runs Linux as the OS.
 
 Now you can combine the best of both worlds - COBOL *AND* Linux. :=)

 
 
 In what sick world is COBOL the best?
 
  
 
 Mike/

 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
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