Re: [TV orNotTV] Ex-intern files class action suit v CBS, Pants
n Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: We've had this debate here before. I maintain interns get out of an internship what they put into it. If they are content to make coffee and copies, then that's what they'll get out of it. When I was an intern, and again when I was a page, I became a human sponge, absorbing as much as I could from the people around me, looking for ways to prove my worth to others while respecting their experience. I didn't wait to be introduced to people or wait to find something interesting to occupy my time. As for the pay, interns are paid in experience (and usually college credit); it isn't a job, rather a potential way to get noticed and build a resume. I worked on over 45 different TV shows in a 5 year period, and none of that would've been possible had I not first spent a summer in a non-paying internship at CNBC. If Mallory was lucky enough to get an internship at Worldwide Pants but too dense to get anything out of it, that's the fault of Mallory. Which is why I stand by my earlier claim that she and those who file these class action lawsuits are whiny candy-assed ingrates. I'm sure we have disagreed frequently in the past, but on this occasion we seem to be saying exactly the same thing about the suit against WWP. Perhaps you disagree that there have been any exploitative internships in the United States over the last 10 years; I don't know that much about the entertainment industry, but I am quite positive there have been many, many horribly exploitative, abusive and worthless internships in quite a few fields. But this is a different matter from the one in this thread. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] More NFL BS: New Policy on Domestic Violence Changes Nothing
FWIW, I now have what I think is a more clear theory as to why the video made a difference to the NFL in terms of Rice's penalty. Nothing new here, just that things have come together for me better. This is long and will be of no interest to most I suppose, but I post it here for the record in any case. I am not labeling it off-topic, because I think this whole affair is intimately intertwined with television and its impact on our culture. As we discussed on this thread yesterday, NFL reporters (scare quotes needed because often these guys are little more than stooges for the league, and have about the same relationship to the NFL that many Fox News on air employees have to the Republican Party) are beginning to show signs of a backbone, calling bull shit more or less on the NFL's denials that they ever saw the elevator video. Deadspin has a nice summary of that here: http://deadspin.com/espners-are-pissed-at-the-nfl-over-its-ray-rice-video-c-1632424069 NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was interviewed by Norah O'Donnell, and portions aired on the CBS Evening News yesterday - see here: http://deadspin.com/roger-goodell-no-one-in-the-nfl-viewed-ray-rice-tape-1632715561?utm_source=diggutm_medium=email It is quite possible that Goodell is incorrect when he says nobody at the NFL saw the video (and I don't rule out the possibility that he is straight out lying). The NFL Insiders reported months ago not only that their sources told them that the NFL had seen the video, but were able to report from their sources (very accurately we now know for a fact) what was depicted in the elevator video. One of these Insider reporters has now gone so far as to identify her source as a league source - which has always been implied by all of these people, but as far as I know this is the first explicit attribution. So we now know beyond doubt that the league has known what was in that elevator video for months. If we want to assume that Goodell is not technically lying, then I think this is probably what happened: As we know, Goodell and other league officials met (horrifically and outrageously) with Ray Rice, his lawyer, and Janay Rice (the victim). At this meeting Ray was very apologetic, but also indicated that what was not apparent from the parking garage video is that Janay had provoked and started the violence with her words, and by spitting at him and (I think some reports include this) slapping him. What apparently was definitive for Goodell is that Janay, at this meeting, confirmed and repeated everything that Ray said. All the powerful men in that room concluded that Ray was being unfairly depicted as a bad guy, that he was just defending himself, maybe got a little carried away, and the injury that led to her loss of consciousness was more of an unfortunate accident than a physical assault. The NFL did make pro forma requests for the elevator videotape, but at the top level did not really push for it very hard (evidenced by all the keystone kops absurdity we are seeing in their responses about this - see Olbermann on this from yesterday). However it seems likely that somewhat lower level league officials did either see the elevator video themselves, or (and I think this is most likely) had that video described to them by someone who did see it. This person represented to the higher ups that the elevator video was consistent with the story the Rices had told, and then, to bolster the league when giving background to the Insiders, this league source seems to have exaggerated the truth (otherwise known as lied) by telling them they had actually seen the video, when probably they had just had it described to them. The elevator video does seem to show that Janay spit at Ray, and maybe slapped or tried to slap him. However it is painfully clear when actually watching the videotape that Ray's response can not in any way be characterized as self-defense, nor her injury as an accident. He hits her twice, once a full roundhouse punch to the jaw. Maybe it was the rail her head hit with the great force of his punch that led directly to her loss of consciousness, but it also looks like the force of the punch itself was fully capable of rendering her unconscious alone. When Goodell and associates at the league, and the Ravens (who had been told the same story by Ray and Janay) saw this video, they felt lied to because the Rice's generic description of what happened inside the elevator, while not technically incorrect, left out so many important details that it was essentially dishonest. This last is important because it probably provides the justification for what otherwise seems like an over-reaction following the initial under-reaction. Rice's indefinite suspension is in excess of what the brand new policy on Domestic Abuse that Goodell is so proud of would seem to call for (6 games). While the league has not clarified this, Dan Patrick and others (at least yesterday, I don't know what they are saying today) have
[TV orNotTV] Re: Bristology: Stephen A needed to regret
Follow-Up. http://deadspin.com/stephen-a-smith-doesnt-think-the-nfl-has-a-domestic-vi-1633022629/all -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] More NFL BS: New Policy on Domestic Violence Changes Nothing
I'll add one additional missing piece: It would not surprise me if everyone employed by the NFL who saw (or knew what was on) that tape was a member of NFL Security, since fundamentally it's all in the police report. I believe that information had to have gotten to Roger Goodell. I'll bet you dollars for doughnuts that it was communicated to him in written form (which squares the I never saw the video! circle). But if you go back to the attendees at that meeting, no one from NFL Security was represented. Any one of them would *have* to know what was happening was spectacularly wrong (as PG notes, it's not like the data on handling situations like this is at all new, and you don't work for pro sports security without knowing a whole lot about this field). But Roger Goodell decided to be Roger Goodell. He got his data from the internal investigation, he was going to handle this, and he was going to play judge and jury. That's how he's behaved for years. And being a lawyer, he decided to have a lawyer by his side: a nice, corporate lawyer who probably hasn't seen the inside of a criminal court room in decades. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I now have what I think is a more clear theory as to why the video made a difference to the NFL in terms of Rice's penalty. Nothing new here, just that things have come together for me better. This is long and will be of no interest to most I suppose, but I post it here for the record in any case. I am not labeling it off-topic, because I think this whole affair is intimately intertwined with television and its impact on our culture. As we discussed on this thread yesterday, NFL reporters (scare quotes needed because often these guys are little more than stooges for the league, and have about the same relationship to the NFL that many Fox News on air employees have to the Republican Party) are beginning to show signs of a backbone, calling bull shit more or less on the NFL's denials that they ever saw the elevator video. Deadspin has a nice summary of that here: http://deadspin.com/espners-are-pissed-at-the-nfl-over-its-ray-rice-video-c-1632424069 NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was interviewed by Norah O'Donnell, and portions aired on the CBS Evening News yesterday - see here: http://deadspin.com/roger-goodell-no-one-in-the-nfl-viewed-ray-rice-tape-1632715561?utm_source=diggutm_medium=email It is quite possible that Goodell is incorrect when he says nobody at the NFL saw the video (and I don't rule out the possibility that he is straight out lying). The NFL Insiders reported months ago not only that their sources told them that the NFL had seen the video, but were able to report from their sources (very accurately we now know for a fact) what was depicted in the elevator video. One of these Insider reporters has now gone so far as to identify her source as a league source - which has always been implied by all of these people, but as far as I know this is the first explicit attribution. So we now know beyond doubt that the league has known what was in that elevator video for months. If we want to assume that Goodell is not technically lying, then I think this is probably what happened: As we know, Goodell and other league officials met (horrifically and outrageously) with Ray Rice, his lawyer, and Janay Rice (the victim). At this meeting Ray was very apologetic, but also indicated that what was not apparent from the parking garage video is that Janay had provoked and started the violence with her words, and by spitting at him and (I think some reports include this) slapping him. What apparently was definitive for Goodell is that Janay, at this meeting, confirmed and repeated everything that Ray said. All the powerful men in that room concluded that Ray was being unfairly depicted as a bad guy, that he was just defending himself, maybe got a little carried away, and the injury that led to her loss of consciousness was more of an unfortunate accident than a physical assault. The NFL did make pro forma requests for the elevator videotape, but at the top level did not really push for it very hard (evidenced by all the keystone kops absurdity we are seeing in their responses about this - see Olbermann on this from yesterday). However it seems likely that somewhat lower level league officials did either see the elevator video themselves, or (and I think this is most likely) had that video described to them by someone who did see it. This person represented to the higher ups that the elevator video was consistent with the story the Rices had told, and then, to bolster the league when giving background to the Insiders, this league source seems to have exaggerated the truth (otherwise known as lied) by telling them they had actually seen the video, when probably they had just had it described to them. The elevator video does seem to show that Janay spit at Ray, and maybe
[TV orNotTV] 'Nurse Jackie Taken Off Shift
Showtime says the seventh season about to begin production will be the last for the Edie Falco hospital show, which is probably the first series in this current Second Golden Age of Television to be considered a sitcom only because it's a half-hour show: http://www.thewrap.com/showtime-pulls-the-plug-on-nurse-jackie/?utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=contactology -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] More NFL BS: New Policy on Domestic Violence Changes Nothing
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: I'll add one additional missing piece: It would not surprise me if everyone employed by the NFL who saw (or knew what was on) that tape was a member of NFL Security, since fundamentally it's all in the police report. I believe that information had to have gotten to Roger Goodell. I'll bet you dollars for doughnuts that it was communicated to him in written form (which squares the I never saw the video! circle). But if you go back to the attendees at that meeting, no one from NFL Security was represented. Any one of them would *have* to know what was happening was spectacularly wrong (as PG notes, it's not like the data on handling situations like this is at all new, and you don't work for pro sports security without knowing a whole lot about this field). And now AP is reporting an NFL executive at 345 Park Avenue had the video in April, which fits this scenario (Goodell never saw it, but at least had access to the contents of it): http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_RICE_VIDEO?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2014-09-10-16-51-00 -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] Will Ferrell might be really happy
Per Esquire, Mr. Trebek has welcomed a prodigal child back to the fold. URL contains spoiler... Not sure it helps, but http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/alex-trebek-jeopardy-mustache Sent from my iPad -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] For the Gmailers on this list
*Slate* writer Will Oremus http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/10/gmail_password_hack_russian_bitcoin_forum_leaks_credentials_but_most_google.html (link) clarified the facts behind what a spitload of reporters thought was a massive compromise of the Google division... while the addys were from said domain, the passwords were apparently from multiple previous hacks, and only a small percentage of them matched Gmail accounts... B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] So long, Richard Kiel
His best-known role, the metal-choppered 'Jaws' in two James Bond thrillers, actually started as a different character in *Silver Streak*... he almost got Ferrigno's role as TV's *Hulk*, 'cept that he was a little too stocky... and who can forget him and Michael Dunn in an episode of *The Wild Wild West*? In Fresno; 74. TMZ http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/10/richard-kiel-james-bond-jaws-dies-at-74/ (link) B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Ex-intern files class action suit v CBS, Pants
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure we have disagreed frequently in the past, but on this occasion we seem to be saying exactly the same thing about the suit against WWP. Perhaps you disagree that there have been any exploitative internships in the United States over the last 10 years; I don't know that much about the entertainment industry, but I am quite positive there have been many, many horribly exploitative, abusive and worthless internships in quite a few fields. But this is a different matter from the one in this thread. She dropped the suit and wrote a letter of apology to Dave and CBS. She said the lawyers found her through LinkedIn, told her other formers were joining the suit, and that she had to hurry and file because the statute of limitations was about to expire (she interned in 2008). She said she was influenced by her student debt but when she realized that she was the only plaintiff she dropped the lawsuit. http://pagesix.com/2014/09/10/former-intern-apologizes-to-letterman-after-dropping-lawsuit/ -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
