Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney+ Puts Content Flag on 'Muppet Show'

[Tom Wolper]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:44 PM M-D November  wrote:

> The music rights issue re: Brooke Shields' episode are said to be ongoing,
> so that episode may be posted sooner rather than later.
>
> As for the content warnings, I have no issue with them as long as the
> episode itself is kept intact.  (I spotted it in front of the Kenny Rogers
> episode where the warning stemmed from a somewhat insensitive portrayal of
> oilmen of middle-eastern origin.)
>

I don't mind the content warnings. After years of waiting for the next
season DVDs to come out and resigning myself to the idea they never would,
I'm happy to go through content warnings and possibly minor cuts to watch
more episodes.

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[TV orNotTV] Harry Shearer drops Black character voice on "Simpsons"

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Kevin Michael Richardson, who's credited with roles in 76 other episodes of 
the series on IMDb, among many others including as Joker in "The Batman," 
takes over the role of Dr. Hibbert next week.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0724656/ (repertory)
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/the-simpsons-dr-hibbert-recast-harry-shearer-kevin-michael-richardson-1234912612/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Reunion

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IYC... the whole show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDzNLw934-M (link)  
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Tom Wolper, to Melissa P,, Feb 22:

> Letterman drops by Drew Barrymore's show today.
>>
>
> A minute and a half teaser:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKgSd2-Iyqo 
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Effort to fire Disney actor

[Steve Timko]

She calls The Mandalorian star a friend, drags out an old tweet he made.

https://deadline.com/2021/02/gina-carano-the-ben-shapiro-show-disney-plus-the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-1234697998/

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 6:15 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Worth a read
>
> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/jaysondbradley/2021/02/cancel-culture/
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 2:41 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> 1. Actions have consequences, and freedom to express yourself is not
>> freedom from those consequences. I lost a job I loved for 30 years because
>> I spoke out in favor of gay marriage, and did so knowing that was a
>> possibility.
>>
>> 2. My values include being as tolerant as possible for unpopular speech.
>> Short of causing actual harm, I think if someone does a good job they
>> should be able to keep their job, even if they hold beliefs I really
>> disapprove of.
>>
>> 3. The ambiguity is over the question of harm. A physician or police
>> officer who posts online that Jews or Muslims or whoever are not fully
>> human and don’t deserve to live raises reasonable questions about harm that
>> might be done to the target group if they did not exercise their duties
>> with full care. Actors are not as likely to be a source of harm. Still, if
>> an actor in a minor role says something that deeply offends an actor in a
>> major role (as is apparently the case here), or says something that hurts
>> and angers large fractions of the audience, it is understandable the
>> employer may not want to hire them again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 at 1:29 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:22 PM Adam Bowie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've got to say that I found this by SF author John Scalzi, to be
 pretty much where I am on being "cancelled":


 https://whatever.scalzi.com/2021/02/13/general-unstructured-thoughts-on-being-cancelled/


>>> For all I know, Benedict Cumberpatch is a Satanic cult leader who has
>>> eight different children from eight different women, none of whom he pays
>>> child support for. By avoiding social media, the focus is on his work, and
>>> his value as an actor is on his skill/talent instead of his social media
>>> following.
>>>
>>> I’m not amongst those who think actors should shut up and never discuss
>>> politics, but when they do speak out on social issues, they should do so
>>> fully aware that in spite of humanity’s better nature, we as a species
>>> place a higher value on what famous people say/do. If a plumber keeps a
>>> social media account supporting Nazis or conspiracy theories, it is
>>> doubtful he will get cancelled because not many people care what a plumber
>>> thinks. So when a celebrity gets called out for public statements, that’s
>>> the way the cultural cookie crumbles.
>>>
>>> I’ve been part of cancelling people online, and I do so because I
>>> believe actions should have consequences. I’ve helped try to cancel
>>> liberals (Bill Maher, Kathy Griffin) and conservatives (Donald Trump, Kirk
>>> Cameron). And I’ve got my own Grammy nominated stalker because I played a
>>> part in cancelling her. And I’ve been physically threatened and threatened
>>> with lawsuits, and all that does is tell me I’m doing the right thing.
>>>
>>>

 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Adam Bowie 
 wrote:

>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:15 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> It seems they are saying she was not fired so much as not re-hired
>> after her contract expired. Is that correct?
>>
>
> I think that's a fair summation. That said, her agency has now dropped
> her, and it seems her publicists dropped her last year.
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2021/02/the-mandalorian-actress-gina-carano-agency-uta-part-ways-in-wake-of-social-media-controversy-1234691964/
>
> But you know, if you got around propagating obnoxious views, maybe
> some people won't want to work with or represent you.
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Amazon: Woody Allen's #MeToo comments wrecked movie deal

[Dave Sikula]

I watched the YouTube video “By the Way, Woody Allen Is Innocent” last night. 
At 2.5 hours, it’s a haul, but the writer/presenter (in my mind, anyway) blows 
the Farrow case to smithereens. There are some problems with the video (being 
so long, it’s gets a little distracted; he reads his text in a rapid monotone; 
he gets inappropriately jokey in some places), it’s pretty devastating.

One of the most relevant points he makes, though, is to ask why Dylan hasn’t 
taken him to court. The statute of limitations on the criminal charges has 
expired, but the civil deadline is more than a decade away. The reason, he 
speculates, is that the Farrows don’t want to take the chance of lying under 
oath in a courtroom and would rather fight it out in the media, where there are 
no penalties.

— Dave Sikula 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney+ Puts Content Flag on 'Muppet Show'

[M-D November]

The music rights issue re: Brooke Shields' episode are said to be ongoing, 
so that episode may be posted sooner rather than later.

As for the content warnings, I have no issue with them as long as the 
episode itself is kept intact.  (I spotted it in front of the Kenny Rogers 
episode where the warning stemmed from a somewhat insensitive portrayal of 
oilmen of middle-eastern origin.)

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 1:33:19 PM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:

> The Brooke Shields episode's absence really shouldn't be mentioned in the 
> same sentence as the Chris Langham episode -- word is that the reason the 
> Brooke Shields episode is entirely missing is because of a music rights 
> issue with the song "We're Off to See the Wizard," and it's too difficult 
> to excise only that song from the episode. (The entire episode is an "Alice 
> in Wonderland" pastiche, with "We're Off to See the Wizard" being used as 
> the grand finale for reasons involving Fozzie Bear being dressed as the Tin 
> Man.)
>
> On Feb 22, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
> The long-awaited streaming debut of "The Muppet Show" occurred Friday on 
> Disney+, but Disney has slapped content warnings on 18 episodes containing 
> what they claim are racist or stereotypical views--this post from NBC's LX 
> gives some examples:
>
>
> https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/the-confederate-flag-gypsy-curses-and-other-reasons-disney-plus-slapped-content-warnings-on-the-muppet-show/2444208/
>
> The flagged episodes are:
> Jim Nabors, Joel Grey, Steve Martin, Peter Sellers, Cleo Laine, James 
> Coco, Spike Milligan, Crystal Gayle, Kenny Rogers, Beverly Sills, Jonathan 
> Winters, Alan Arkin, James Coburn, Joan Baez, Johnny Cash, Debbie Harry, 
> Wally Boag and Marty Feldman.
>
> In addition, EW says that the Brooke Shields and Chris Langham episodes 
> are not included.  (Langham, a Brit writer for the series,  was convicted 
> in 2007 for possessing child porn, which makes him as much a non-person in 
> his country as Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris.)  In addition, there is some 
> editing for music rights reasons.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney+ Puts Content Flag on 'Muppet Show'

[Jim Ellwanger]

The Brooke Shields episode's absence really shouldn't be mentioned in the same 
sentence as the Chris Langham episode -- word is that the reason the Brooke 
Shields episode is entirely missing is because of a music rights issue with the 
song "We're Off to See the Wizard," and it's too difficult to excise only that 
song from the episode. (The entire episode is an "Alice in Wonderland" 
pastiche, with "We're Off to See the Wizard" being used as the grand finale for 
reasons involving Fozzie Bear being dressed as the Tin Man.)

> On Feb 22, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> The long-awaited streaming debut of "The Muppet Show" occurred Friday on 
> Disney+, but Disney has slapped content warnings on 18 episodes containing 
> what they claim are racist or stereotypical views--this post from NBC's LX 
> gives some examples:
> 
> https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/the-confederate-flag-gypsy-curses-and-other-reasons-disney-plus-slapped-content-warnings-on-the-muppet-show/2444208/
> 
> The flagged episodes are:
> Jim Nabors, Joel Grey, Steve Martin, Peter Sellers, Cleo Laine, James Coco, 
> Spike Milligan, Crystal Gayle, Kenny Rogers, Beverly Sills, Jonathan Winters, 
> Alan Arkin, James Coburn, Joan Baez, Johnny Cash, Debbie Harry, Wally Boag 
> and Marty Feldman.
> 
> In addition, EW says that the Brooke Shields and Chris Langham episodes are 
> not included.  (Langham, a Brit writer for the series,  was convicted in 2007 
> for possessing child porn, which makes him as much a non-person in his 
> country as Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris.)  In addition, there is some 
> editing for music rights reasons.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney+ Puts Content Flag on 'Muppet Show'

[Kevin M.]

The warning on the Steve Martin episode knocked me on my heels a bit, but
whatever.

I like that they don’t put a warning on the Lynda Carter episode which
features an opening number celebrating cannibalism set to a Beatles
classic. Cannibalism = fine. Gonzo shouting “burrito” and the six other
Spanish words he knows = not fine. It’s a sketch in and of itself.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 10:02 AM Mark Jeffries 
wrote:

> The long-awaited streaming debut of "The Muppet Show" occurred Friday on
> Disney+, but Disney has slapped content warnings on 18 episodes containing
> what they claim are racist or stereotypical views--this post from NBC's LX
> gives some examples:
>
>
> https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/the-confederate-flag-gypsy-curses-and-other-reasons-disney-plus-slapped-content-warnings-on-the-muppet-show/2444208/
>
> The flagged episodes are:
> Jim Nabors, Joel Grey, Steve Martin, Peter Sellers, Cleo Laine, James
> Coco, Spike Milligan, Crystal Gayle, Kenny Rogers, Beverly Sills, Jonathan
> Winters, Alan Arkin, James Coburn, Joan Baez, Johnny Cash, Debbie Harry,
> Wally Boag and Marty Feldman.
>
> In addition, EW says that the Brooke Shields and Chris Langham episodes
> are not included.  (Langham, a Brit writer for the series,  was convicted
> in 2007 for possessing child porn, which makes him as much a non-person in
> his country as Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris.)  In addition, there is some
> editing for music rights reasons.
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[TV orNotTV] Disney+ Puts Content Flag on 'Muppet Show'

[Mark Jeffries]

The long-awaited streaming debut of "The Muppet Show" occurred Friday on 
Disney+, but Disney has slapped content warnings on 18 episodes containing 
what they claim are racist or stereotypical views--this post from NBC's LX 
gives some examples:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/the-confederate-flag-gypsy-curses-and-other-reasons-disney-plus-slapped-content-warnings-on-the-muppet-show/2444208/

The flagged episodes are:
Jim Nabors, Joel Grey, Steve Martin, Peter Sellers, Cleo Laine, James Coco, 
Spike Milligan, Crystal Gayle, Kenny Rogers, Beverly Sills, Jonathan 
Winters, Alan Arkin, James Coburn, Joan Baez, Johnny Cash, Debbie Harry, 
Wally Boag and Marty Feldman.

In addition, EW says that the Brooke Shields and Chris Langham episodes are 
not included.  (Langham, a Brit writer for the series,  was convicted in 
2007 for possessing child porn, which makes him as much a non-person in his 
country as Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris.)  In addition, there is some 
editing for music rights reasons.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Amazon: Woody Allen's #MeToo comments wrecked movie deal

[PGage]

I agree with you Adam about the Guardian stories. The author, Hadley
Freeman, weighed in last night on the HBO “doc” on Twitter, saying she had
not seen it, but using the hype it generated to pump her stories. She is
getting smacked around a bit on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/hadleyfreeman/status/1363602815579533314?s=21

Dave brought up Moses, the other adopted Mia kid also later adopted by
Woody (in addition to Dylan), whose very pro-Woody, anti-Mia views were not
mentioned in episode 1. Almost certainly they will be, which Ingather both
because to ignore them would lower the credibility of the HBO show even
lower than its very minimal standards, and because they set it up in the
first episode with a couple of references by Mia to Moses as being
enthralled and overly identifying with Woody (the subliminal message I got
was ‘Nerdy Asian kid brainwashed by nerdy Jewish adopted father’.

For those who have not read the take on the allegations by Moses:

http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html?m=1


On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I'm curious to learn whether this series makes it over to the UK. Sky has
> a big deal with HBO which means most of their output ends up on Sky's
> channels - and indeed they launched a Sky Documentaries channel just a few
> months ago that would be perfect for it. And ordinarily Sky moves quickly
> to get shows that are generating online heat. For example, they purchase
> the recent Britney doc and had it on-air last week (for all the misgivings
> I know have been spoken about here).
>
> But the UK does have tougher libel laws than the US, and I'm wondering if
> that will come into play here. E.g. It's notable that the Johnny Depp/Amber
> Heard case was in a UK court. On the other hand, I know that despite
> threatened legal action from Scientology, they showed Going Clear very
> quickly when that was released.
>
> While I wait to see whether this series reaches us, I would note a couple
> of Hadley Freeman interviews from The Guardian over the last year that
> somehow feel the fairest to me. She has interviewed Woody Allen and more
> recently Moses Farrow, but I think in each instance dealt with them fairly
> and not dodged any of the issues.
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/may/29/do-i-really-care-woody-allen-comes-out-fighting
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/dec/11/moses-farrow-id-be-very-happy-to-take-my-fathers-surname
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:50 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> We are (somewhat oddly) kind of on the same page with this, so I will try
>> to avoid just echoing back. I will note that I deleted in my last post a
>> mini paragraph that suggested that, in Connecticut anyway (where the
>> initial investigations occurred) Mia Farrow is likely the more influential
>> celebrity than Woody Allen.
>>
>> I think the more common, and serious (though still bogus) argument made
>> is not the Manhattan analogy, but that, since he had sex with 21 (or 19)
>> year old Soon-Yi he must also be the kind of man who would have sex with 7
>> year old Dylan. While it is possible the same man would do both, there is
>> nothing about the first that makes the second more likely.
>>
>> It may be shitty or immature, but plenty of men in their 50s are sexually
>> attracted to women in their early 20s; there is nothing pedophillic about
>> that.
>>
>> What is shitty about the Soon-Yi thing is mostly that he was cheating on
>> his long time partner, and doing so with the woman most likely to hurt her;
>> as if he were cheating on his wife with her (much) younger sister. I think
>> that does qualify him as an asshole, but again is uncorrelated with being a
>> pedophile.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 at 10:25 PM davesik...@gmail.com <
>> davesik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know you're not doing this, but your mentioning of it brings up
>>> something that annoys me. In a lot of the writing on this case (I won't
>>> elevate it by calling it reporting), Allen is called "a powerful figure in
>>> Hollywood," or "an example of the rich getting away with crimes."
>>>
>>> While I have no doubt Allen is wealthy (not crazy rich, but he's not
>>> going to have to worry), he's never been a part of the power culture. He
>>> doesn't socialize, isn't seen in the company of other rich people, and
>>> doesn't seem to have access to the networks that, say, Trump, Epstein, and
>>> Weinstein had. Yes, he's a "rich white guy," but not everyone who meets
>>> that description is plugged in and invulnerable.
>>>
>>> As well, yes, he's won Oscars and directed scores of films, but he's not
>>> exactly a power player. For decades, to be in "a Woody Allen" picture was a
>>> prestige move, but his pictures always had relatively-miniscule budgets,
>>> rarely made a lot of money and, over the last decade or so, he's scrambled
>>> for financing and casting actors concerned with being connected with him.
>>> It's not like he could make or 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Reunion

[Tom Wolper]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:30 AM Melissa P 
wrote:

> Letterman drops by Drew Barrymore's show today.
>

A minute and a half teaser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKgSd2-Iyqo

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Amazon: Woody Allen's #MeToo comments wrecked movie deal

[Adam Bowie]

I'm curious to learn whether this series makes it over to the UK. Sky has a
big deal with HBO which means most of their output ends up on Sky's
channels - and indeed they launched a Sky Documentaries channel just a few
months ago that would be perfect for it. And ordinarily Sky moves quickly
to get shows that are generating online heat. For example, they purchase
the recent Britney doc and had it on-air last week (for all the misgivings
I know have been spoken about here).

But the UK does have tougher libel laws than the US, and I'm wondering if
that will come into play here. E.g. It's notable that the Johnny Depp/Amber
Heard case was in a UK court. On the other hand, I know that despite
threatened legal action from Scientology, they showed Going Clear very
quickly when that was released.

While I wait to see whether this series reaches us, I would note a couple
of Hadley Freeman interviews from The Guardian over the last year that
somehow feel the fairest to me. She has interviewed Woody Allen and more
recently Moses Farrow, but I think in each instance dealt with them fairly
and not dodged any of the issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/may/29/do-i-really-care-woody-allen-comes-out-fighting
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/dec/11/moses-farrow-id-be-very-happy-to-take-my-fathers-surname


Adam

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:50 PM PGage  wrote:

> We are (somewhat oddly) kind of on the same page with this, so I will try
> to avoid just echoing back. I will note that I deleted in my last post a
> mini paragraph that suggested that, in Connecticut anyway (where the
> initial investigations occurred) Mia Farrow is likely the more influential
> celebrity than Woody Allen.
>
> I think the more common, and serious (though still bogus) argument made is
> not the Manhattan analogy, but that, since he had sex with 21 (or 19) year
> old Soon-Yi he must also be the kind of man who would have sex with 7 year
> old Dylan. While it is possible the same man would do both, there is
> nothing about the first that makes the second more likely.
>
> It may be shitty or immature, but plenty of men in their 50s are sexually
> attracted to women in their early 20s; there is nothing pedophillic about
> that.
>
> What is shitty about the Soon-Yi thing is mostly that he was cheating on
> his long time partner, and doing so with the woman most likely to hurt her;
> as if he were cheating on his wife with her (much) younger sister. I think
> that does qualify him as an asshole, but again is uncorrelated with being a
> pedophile.
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 at 10:25 PM davesik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I know you're not doing this, but your mentioning of it brings up
>> something that annoys me. In a lot of the writing on this case (I won't
>> elevate it by calling it reporting), Allen is called "a powerful figure in
>> Hollywood," or "an example of the rich getting away with crimes."
>>
>> While I have no doubt Allen is wealthy (not crazy rich, but he's not
>> going to have to worry), he's never been a part of the power culture. He
>> doesn't socialize, isn't seen in the company of other rich people, and
>> doesn't seem to have access to the networks that, say, Trump, Epstein, and
>> Weinstein had. Yes, he's a "rich white guy," but not everyone who meets
>> that description is plugged in and invulnerable.
>>
>> As well, yes, he's won Oscars and directed scores of films, but he's not
>> exactly a power player. For decades, to be in "a Woody Allen" picture was a
>> prestige move, but his pictures always had relatively-miniscule budgets,
>> rarely made a lot of money and, over the last decade or so, he's scrambled
>> for financing and casting actors concerned with being connected with him.
>> It's not like he could make or break a career by casting or not casting
>> someone. His was a niche business at best. For quite a while now, his
>> pictures have ranged from okay to terrible, as he essentially juggled the
>> same tropes over and over in different combinations. Sometimes they hit (I
>> generally liked "A Rainy Day in New York," for example, despite the usual
>> modern young people acting as though they were born in the 40s and one
>> uncomfortable scene with Elle Fanning in her underwear [which would have
>> been uncomfortable even without the smear campaign hanging over them], but
>> "Wonder Wheel" was all but unwatchable), so maybe it's time for him to
>> retire.
>>
>> Because of the charges--and especially because of HBO thing--I think his
>> career is essentially over, anyway. He still hasn't found a distributor for
>> his last movie, actors are disowning him, and Farrow has succeeded in
>> smearing his reputation. The former part of this probably doesn't bother
>> him. I'd imagine he'll be just as happy raising his kids, watching the
>> Knicks, and living his remaining years in relative obscurity. The latter,
>> I'm sure, concerns him, but that ship has sailed. Despite the YouTube
>> documentary proclaiming his 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Amazon: Woody Allen's #MeToo comments wrecked movie deal

[PGage]

We are (somewhat oddly) kind of on the same page with this, so I will try
to avoid just echoing back. I will note that I deleted in my last post a
mini paragraph that suggested that, in Connecticut anyway (where the
initial investigations occurred) Mia Farrow is likely the more influential
celebrity than Woody Allen.

I think the more common, and serious (though still bogus) argument made is
not the Manhattan analogy, but that, since he had sex with 21 (or 19) year
old Soon-Yi he must also be the kind of man who would have sex with 7 year
old Dylan. While it is possible the same man would do both, there is
nothing about the first that makes the second more likely.

It may be shitty or immature, but plenty of men in their 50s are sexually
attracted to women in their early 20s; there is nothing pedophillic about
that.

What is shitty about the Soon-Yi thing is mostly that he was cheating on
his long time partner, and doing so with the woman most likely to hurt her;
as if he were cheating on his wife with her (much) younger sister. I think
that does qualify him as an asshole, but again is uncorrelated with being a
pedophile.


On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 at 10:25 PM davesik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I know you're not doing this, but your mentioning of it brings up
> something that annoys me. In a lot of the writing on this case (I won't
> elevate it by calling it reporting), Allen is called "a powerful figure in
> Hollywood," or "an example of the rich getting away with crimes."
>
> While I have no doubt Allen is wealthy (not crazy rich, but he's not going
> to have to worry), he's never been a part of the power culture. He doesn't
> socialize, isn't seen in the company of other rich people, and doesn't seem
> to have access to the networks that, say, Trump, Epstein, and Weinstein
> had. Yes, he's a "rich white guy," but not everyone who meets that
> description is plugged in and invulnerable.
>
> As well, yes, he's won Oscars and directed scores of films, but he's not
> exactly a power player. For decades, to be in "a Woody Allen" picture was a
> prestige move, but his pictures always had relatively-miniscule budgets,
> rarely made a lot of money and, over the last decade or so, he's scrambled
> for financing and casting actors concerned with being connected with him.
> It's not like he could make or break a career by casting or not casting
> someone. His was a niche business at best. For quite a while now, his
> pictures have ranged from okay to terrible, as he essentially juggled the
> same tropes over and over in different combinations. Sometimes they hit (I
> generally liked "A Rainy Day in New York," for example, despite the usual
> modern young people acting as though they were born in the 40s and one
> uncomfortable scene with Elle Fanning in her underwear [which would have
> been uncomfortable even without the smear campaign hanging over them], but
> "Wonder Wheel" was all but unwatchable), so maybe it's time for him to
> retire.
>
> Because of the charges--and especially because of HBO thing--I think his
> career is essentially over, anyway. He still hasn't found a distributor for
> his last movie, actors are disowning him, and Farrow has succeeded in
> smearing his reputation. The former part of this probably doesn't bother
> him. I'd imagine he'll be just as happy raising his kids, watching the
> Knicks, and living his remaining years in relative obscurity. The latter,
> I'm sure, concerns him, but that ship has sailed. Despite the YouTube
> documentary proclaiming his innocence (I've yet to watch it), to the
> general public, his reputation is toxic. This is apparent from all the
> writers I've seen online whose argument boils down to "I always found him
> creepy, so of course the charges must be true,"  which is circular logic at
> its best.
>
> Another charge that keeps coming up again is "He played a man in love with
> a teenager in 'Manhattan,' so he's obviously guilty," even though they
> never charge him with being a bank robber, a revolutionary, a small-time
> criminal, or hiring a hit man, all of whom were protagonists in his films
> -- and ignoring the criticism his character gets in "Manhattan" itself
> about his relationship. (The whole "he married his stepdaughter!" thing is
> just more evidence why Trump still has a following. Too many people are
> basically stupid and don't read beyond the neon headlines.)
>
> I'd never deny that what he did was shitty and handled badly, but if
> everyone who's done something appalling in a relationship is open to being
> called a pedophile, a lot of people are in trouble.
>
> I'm assuming that the HBO series won't mention Farrow's own issues
> (Moses's charges of abuse, her children's suicides, her own marriages to
> much older men, and Ronan's father), because that might actually muddy the
> waters and lessen her (in my mind, nonexistent) credibility. The producers
> and HBO have invested a lot in her story, and they're not going to dilute
> it.
>
> --Dave 

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[Melissa P]

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