Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[PGage]

>From the article:

“*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a later
date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that the
price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
month for its basic plan. CNBC

reported
a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*

This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are no
longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
basic cable).

The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable TV
without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
Sunday NFL games if they want).

As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.




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On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>
> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
> floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
> Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
> charging for it.
>
> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots of
> price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
> various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
> if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.
>
> Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
> everything the three players have to offer.
>
> And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
> price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
> in.
>
> By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
> standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
> But that doesn't include rival TNT Sports who have some Premier League
> games and Champions League games as well as plenty other sports.
> Standalone, that costs another £30.99 ($39 tax inclusive) for a Discovery+
> Premium package. That gets you most, but not all sports. And while there
> are packages available on various platforms to reduce this cost, it gives
> you a good idea of what you might have to pay.
>
> I'm guessing that CBS isn't part of this at the moment because their
> parent company is essentially up for sale. Maybe jumping into this plan
> might complicate a potential sale down the line since the new owner might
> have their own plan for company's sports rights.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:39 PM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>> It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts
>> (aside from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on
>> ESPN+). If they could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- which
>> would involve negotiations with the teams and the current rights holders,
>> e.g., Bally Sports in some areas -- it would be a definite cable killer.
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>>
>> As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' NFL
>> and NCAA coverage.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>>> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and
>>> Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games,
>>> along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's
>>> basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw
>>> in--no name, launch date or pricing announced:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Steve Timko]

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024, 2:47 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Former MMA fighter and forever rightwing wack job Gina Carano was fired
> from her role as Cara on the Disney+ series after a series of wack job
> posts in social media and Elon Musk is financially supporting her suit,
> since some of her statements were made on what is now X--she claims in the
> suit that Disney and Lucasfilm's actions were "bullying, discriminatory,
> and retaliatory":


Just a coincidence but Carano's most vocal supporter from The Mandalorian
cast during her dispute, Carl Weathers, just died.
It seems like the statute of limitations would have tolled but she got
fired after the second season aired.
Her IMDb page lists zero credits for 2023.




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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Kevin M.]

Never bet against the mouse.

Especially when the opposition is a flaming pile of turds.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 4:37 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> I wouldn’t bet against Disney’s legal department. And if they think
> Carano’s case has any merit they’ll settle and make it go away.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 5:47 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Former MMA fighter and forever rightwing wack job Gina Carano was fired
>> from her role as Cara on the Disney+ series after a series of wack job
>> posts in social media and Elon Musk is financially supporting her suit,
>> since some of her statements were made on what is now X--she claims in the
>> suit that Disney and Lucasfilm's actions were "bullying, discriminatory,
>> and retaliatory":
>>
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/06/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian
>>
>> No response from Disney or Lucasfilm yet, but Disney's law department has
>> a pretty good track record.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Tom Wolper]

I wouldn’t bet against Disney’s legal department. And if they think
Carano’s case has any merit they’ll settle and make it go away.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 5:47 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Former MMA fighter and forever rightwing wack job Gina Carano was fired
> from her role as Cara on the Disney+ series after a series of wack job
> posts in social media and Elon Musk is financially supporting her suit,
> since some of her statements were made on what is now X--she claims in the
> suit that Disney and Lucasfilm's actions were "bullying, discriminatory,
> and retaliatory":
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/06/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian
>
> No response from Disney or Lucasfilm yet, but Disney's law department has
> a pretty good track record.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Adam Bowie]

The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.

I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
charging for it.

The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots of
price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.

Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
everything the three players have to offer.

And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
in.

By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
But that doesn't include rival TNT Sports who have some Premier League
games and Champions League games as well as plenty other sports.
Standalone, that costs another £30.99 ($39 tax inclusive) for a Discovery+
Premium package. That gets you most, but not all sports. And while there
are packages available on various platforms to reduce this cost, it gives
you a good idea of what you might have to pay.

I'm guessing that CBS isn't part of this at the moment because their parent
company is essentially up for sale. Maybe jumping into this plan might
complicate a potential sale down the line since the new owner might have
their own plan for company's sports rights.


Adam


On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:39 PM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts
> (aside from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on
> ESPN+). If they could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- which
> would involve negotiations with the teams and the current rights holders,
> e.g., Bally Sports in some areas -- it would be a definite cable killer.
>
> On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
> As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' NFL
> and NCAA coverage.
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
>> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and
>> Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games,
>> along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's
>> basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw
>> in--no name, launch date or pricing announced:
>>
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Dr Johnny Fever returns! (as a compilation)

[Joe Hass]

Someone went through the original music versions of WKRP, took all of
Howard Hessman's air checks, and compiled a three-hour "shift".

https://www.awphooey.com/wkrp

I would listen to this station in a heartbeat.

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[TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Mark Jeffries]

Former MMA fighter and forever rightwing wack job Gina Carano was fired 
from her role as Cara on the Disney+ series after a series of wack job 
posts in social media and Elon Musk is financially supporting her suit, 
since some of her statements were made on what is now X--she claims in the 
suit that Disney and Lucasfilm's actions were "bullying, discriminatory, 
and retaliatory":

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/06/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian

No response from Disney or Lucasfilm yet, but Disney's law department has a 
pretty good track record.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Jim Ellwanger]

It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts (aside 
from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on ESPN+). If they 
could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- which would involve 
negotiations with the teams and the current rights holders, e.g., Bally Sports 
in some areas -- it would be a definite cable killer.

> On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' NFL and 
> NCAA coverage.
> 
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and 
>> Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games, 
>> along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's 
>> basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw in--no 
>> name, launch date or pricing announced:
>> 
>> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/
> 
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Mark Jeffries]

As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' NFL 
and NCAA coverage.

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and 
> Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games, 
> along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's 
> basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw 
> in--no name, launch date or pricing announced:
>
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/
>

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[TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Mark Jeffries]

The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and 
Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games, 
along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's 
basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw 
in--no name, launch date or pricing announced:

https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/

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[TV orNotTV] Re: So long, Carl Weathers

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

I just in the last day realized it was Weathers who pulled up to a 
desert-walking Rob Gronkowski, on his way to Vegas to make a fool of 
himself again for the sake of a national sports-betting brand... the book 
says the campaign will be "adjusted"...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/carl-weathers-super-bowl-ad-being-adjusted-1235814294/
 (link)
B

Moi, Feb 2nd:

He had a long TV career before and after the role that most people 
remember, Apollo to Stallone's Rocky... 76.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/carl-weathers-dead-apollo-creed-rocky-1235813768/
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[TV orNotTV] Re: CNN Goes Hard News in AM

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Somewhere, the Tedmeister is smiling... B

Mark Jeffries, Feb 6th, in part:

The troubled "CNN This Morning," one of the more high-profile decisions of 
Chris "The Paste-Eater" Licht, is being shut down, the hosts being 
reassigned, the couch put out in the Hudson Yards dumpster (and the NY 
staff either reassigned or laid off) and will be replaced by an expanded 
edition of their morning hard news block from the CNN Center in Atlanta, 
meaning that they're going with hard news against the cheery network shows 
(and CBS lately has cut down on the hard news emphasis), Coffee Joe on 
MSNBC and the morons on the curvy couch on Fox News:

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[TV orNotTV] CNN Goes Hard News in AM

[Mark Jeffries]

The troubled "CNN This Morning," one of the more high-profile decisions of 
Chris "The Paste-Eater" Licht, is being shut down, the hosts being 
reassigned, the couch put out in the Hudson Yards dumpster (and the NY 
staff either reassigned or laid off) and will be replaced by an expanded 
edition of their morning hard news block from the CNN Center in Atlanta, 
meaning that they're going with hard news against the cheery network shows 
(and CBS lately has cut down on the hard news emphasis), Coffee Joe on 
MSNBC and the morons on the curvy couch on Fox News:

https://www.thewrap.com/cnn-cancels-this-morning-anchor-lineup-moves-production-from-new-york-to-atlanta/

Which means the only remaining programming decision of Paste-Easter Licht 
is the Friday night Gayle King/Charles Barkley talk show (and that will be 
going soon).  Is it possible that when Maher came back, CNN started 
carrying "Overtime" live on Fridays again? (I stopped watching Maher after 
the strikes, so I don't know.)

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