Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Sopranos' Creator: Tee Vee Sux

2024-01-15 Thread Tom Wolper 
In a world of 500+ TV series there are going to be only 2 or 3 that are
going to be considered classic or brilliant. And if these 2 or 3 brilliant
series aren’t recognized by the algorithms to push into people’s feeds they
won’t be found by a mass audience.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 11:56 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> Whatever you think of The Sopranos, I think Chase is right.
>
> Yes, there's still Succession, Fargo, The Bear, White Lotus and so on
> being made. But I'm not going to kid myself that this is what Netflix et al
> will be producing for the most part in the future. The most popular drama
> on the recent Netflix data dump was The Night Agent, which frankly, is
> rubbish. I only managed one episode. A bit more swearing than a network
> show, and perhaps more sex (I don't know), but otherwise, it might have
> aired on CBS.
>
> And it just feels to me that we're getting more of these "gourmet burgers"
> as Netflix's Bela Bajaria put it herself. In other words, if NCIS is
> McDonalds, then The Night Agent is McDonalds with fancier presentation and
> slightly better ingredients. But only very slightly. But just as I might
> like a burger and fries from time to time, I also like to eat better food,
> and that's what it feels like is going away. Like a town where the only
> restaurants are chain fast food places.
>
> Amazon's hottest show right now is Reacher. And it's absolutely... fine.
> It's definitely not exceptional in any way. It has more cash spent on it
> than a network show - the action sequences are better. But it's still very
> obviously Canada doubling for the US for tax reasons, and has an
> A-to-B-to-C plot that is not going to challenge any viewer who is also
> scrolling TikTok at the same time. I've no doubt it works well globally
> because there's not even an enormous amount of dialogue to translate/dub.
> Nobody ever got poor on selling big guys firing big guns.
>
> It's just a televisual reversion to the mean.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 4:18 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I think if Chase checks, there was dumbed down TV 25 years ago, too. And
>> although I liked (but did not love) The Sopranos, I wouldn’t classify it as
>> smart TV. It was well made TV, but it wasn’t smart TV.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In an interview with the Times of London (which is behind a pay wall),
>>> David Chase says that the 25th anniversary of his groundbreaking "The
>>> Sopranos" should be considered "a funeral," not a celebration, and that
>>> television is starting to dumb down again:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sopranos-david-chase-tv-dumb-interview-1235787462/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Sopranos' Creator: Tee Vee Sux

2024-01-15 Thread Adam Bowie 
Whatever you think of The Sopranos, I think Chase is right.

Yes, there's still Succession, Fargo, The Bear, White Lotus and so on being
made. But I'm not going to kid myself that this is what Netflix et al will
be producing for the most part in the future. The most popular drama on the
recent Netflix data dump was The Night Agent, which frankly, is rubbish. I
only managed one episode. A bit more swearing than a network show, and
perhaps more sex (I don't know), but otherwise, it might have aired on CBS.

And it just feels to me that we're getting more of these "gourmet burgers"
as Netflix's Bela Bajaria put it herself. In other words, if NCIS is
McDonalds, then The Night Agent is McDonalds with fancier presentation and
slightly better ingredients. But only very slightly. But just as I might
like a burger and fries from time to time, I also like to eat better food,
and that's what it feels like is going away. Like a town where the only
restaurants are chain fast food places.

Amazon's hottest show right now is Reacher. And it's absolutely... fine.
It's definitely not exceptional in any way. It has more cash spent on it
than a network show - the action sequences are better. But it's still very
obviously Canada doubling for the US for tax reasons, and has an
A-to-B-to-C plot that is not going to challenge any viewer who is also
scrolling TikTok at the same time. I've no doubt it works well globally
because there's not even an enormous amount of dialogue to translate/dub.
Nobody ever got poor on selling big guys firing big guns.

It's just a televisual reversion to the mean.


Adam

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 4:18 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I think if Chase checks, there was dumbed down TV 25 years ago, too. And
> although I liked (but did not love) The Sopranos, I wouldn’t classify it as
> smart TV. It was well made TV, but it wasn’t smart TV.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> In an interview with the Times of London (which is behind a pay wall),
>> David Chase says that the 25th anniversary of his groundbreaking "The
>> Sopranos" should be considered "a funeral," not a celebration, and that
>> television is starting to dumb down again:
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sopranos-david-chase-tv-dumb-interview-1235787462/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Sopranos' Creator: Tee Vee Sux

2024-01-15 Thread Kevin M. 
I think if Chase checks, there was dumbed down TV 25 years ago, too. And
although I liked (but did not love) The Sopranos, I wouldn’t classify it as
smart TV. It was well made TV, but it wasn’t smart TV.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> In an interview with the Times of London (which is behind a pay wall),
> David Chase says that the 25th anniversary of his groundbreaking "The
> Sopranos" should be considered "a funeral," not a celebration, and that
> television is starting to dumb down again:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sopranos-david-chase-tv-dumb-interview-1235787462/
>
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