Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

2024-01-14 Thread PGage 
That’s right, for people like those who participate in a list like this,
Shales was a net positive force. He believed television should and could be
better than it was when he started in the 70s and 80s, and, despite the
ever presence of a thick layer of slime, the top layer of television is
better, and deeper than it was when he started his career. That is not due
only or mostly to Shales, but I think it is in part a function of the
sensibility and expectations that Shales contributed to. Still, also true
that for for someone who made his mark in a career in popular
entertainment, he did not often seem to be having a good time.

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 8:30 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> I remember reading him in the Washington Post decades ago when I lived in
> the DC area. He took TV seriously as a cultural force and not just mindless
> entertainment.
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> It’s been years since I even heard his name. As I recall, he tried to use
>> television criticism as a form of social criticism, but he didn’t seem to
>> like television (or society) very much.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 5:25 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Presumably Craig T. Nelson was unavailable for comment.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 03:18:34 PM PST, PGage <
>>> pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of
>>> this list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem
>>> with him was not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he
>>> often seemed like the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own
>>> ego and rhetorical turns of phrase than he did about the work he was
>>> writing about.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 1:01 PM Mark Jeffries 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> His Post obit:
>>>
>>> https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
>>>
>>> Mark Jeffries
>>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Longtime *Washington Post* TV critic
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

2024-01-13 Thread Tom Wolper 
I remember reading him in the Washington Post decades ago when I lived in
the DC area. He took TV seriously as a cultural force and not just mindless
entertainment.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> It’s been years since I even heard his name. As I recall, he tried to use
> television criticism as a form of social criticism, but he didn’t seem to
> like television (or society) very much.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 5:25 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Presumably Craig T. Nelson was unavailable for comment.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 03:18:34 PM PST, PGage 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of
>> this list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem
>> with him was not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he
>> often seemed like the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own
>> ego and rhetorical turns of phrase than he did about the work he was
>> writing about.
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 1:01 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>> His Post obit:
>>
>> https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Longtime *Washington Post* TV critic
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

2024-01-13 Thread Kevin M. 
It’s been years since I even heard his name. As I recall, he tried to use
television criticism as a form of social criticism, but he didn’t seem to
like television (or society) very much.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 5:25 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Presumably Craig T. Nelson was unavailable for comment.
>
> David
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 03:18:34 PM PST, PGage 
> wrote:
>
>
> He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of
> this list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem
> with him was not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he
> often seemed like the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own
> ego and rhetorical turns of phrase than he did about the work he was
> writing about.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 1:01 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
> His Post obit:
>
> https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
> Longtime *Washington Post* TV critic
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

2024-01-13 Thread 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
 Presumably Craig T. Nelson was unavailable for comment.
David

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 03:18:34 PM PST, PGage  
wrote:  
 
 He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of this 
list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem with him was 
not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he often seemed like 
the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own ego and rhetorical 
turns of phrase than he did about the work he was writing about. 

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 1:01 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

His Post obit:
https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
Mark Jeffries
spotligh...@gmail.com

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P  wrote:

Longtime Washington Post TV critic




  

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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

2024-01-13 Thread PGage 
He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of
this list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem
with him was not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he
often seemed like the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own
ego and rhetorical turns of phrase than he did about the work he was
writing about.

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 1:01 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> His Post obit:
>
> https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

2024-01-13 Thread Mark Jeffries 
His Post obit:

https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr

Mark Jeffries
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