Re: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
Dewald, These rules apply to third party apps. @twittersuggests is not a third party app, but an experimental feature, developed and owned by Twitter. Now I can also understand this Do as I Say, not as I Do situation can be irritating. But I guess the best thing to do at this point is probably to share your thoughts on the experiment through his dedicated feedback form: https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/twitter.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHJ6UnYwdFZ6aHNRRVJoTU1mYl9FMlE6MQ Arnaud / @rno On May 5, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Arnaud, That's comforting to know. With that being the case, can you please enlighten us as to why Twitter is apparently violating its own rules, which, as you said, are still in force and we all still are apparently expected to adhere to? Let me help you and quote from your rules the appropriate text: If you are automatically sending @reply messages or Mentions to a bunch of users, the recipients must request or approve this action in advance. Have any of the users targeted by @twittersuggests, which is sending automated @reply messages to a bunch of users, explicitly requested or approved this action in advance? If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. On May 5, 12:45 pm, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Hey Dewald, Neither our TOS nor our Automation Rules Best Practices (http://support.twitter.com/articles/76915) have changed since the launch of @twittersuggests experimental feature :) Arnaud / @rno http://twitter.com/rno On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:00 AM, TjL luo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: With reference to @twittersuggests, is other unsolicited @reply spam now also officially sanctioned by Twitter? When has Twitter ever given you the idea that they were playing by the same rules as everyone else? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
It's an @reply spambot, pure and simple. There is no vetting of suggested users - it didn't take either me or Marshall Kirkpatrick long to find a tweeter that was not safe for work in @twittersuggests' stream. It's a bad idea - Twitter needs to quit screwing around with stuff like this and solve problems that keep people with budgets up at night! On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Dewald, These rules apply to third party apps. @twittersuggests is not a third party app, but an experimental feature, developed and owned by Twitter. Now I can also understand this Do as I Say, not as I Do situation can be irritating. But I guess the best thing to do at this point is probably to share your thoughts on the experiment through his dedicated feedback form: https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/twitter.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHJ6UnYwdFZ6aHNRRVJoTU1mYl9FMlE6MQ Arnaud / @rno On May 5, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Arnaud, That's comforting to know. With that being the case, can you please enlighten us as to why Twitter is apparently violating its own rules, which, as you said, are still in force and we all still are apparently expected to adhere to? Let me help you and quote from your rules the appropriate text: If you are automatically sending @reply messages or Mentions to a bunch of users, the recipients must request or approve this action in advance. Have any of the users targeted by @twittersuggests, which is sending automated @reply messages to a bunch of users, explicitly requested or approved this action in advance? If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. On May 5, 12:45 pm, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Hey Dewald, Neither our TOS nor our Automation Rules Best Practices (http://support.twitter.com/articles/76915) have changed since the launch of @twittersuggests experimental feature :) Arnaud / @rno http://twitter.com/rno On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:00 AM, TjL luo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: With reference to @twittersuggests, is other unsolicited @reply spam now also officially sanctioned by Twitter? When has Twitter ever given you the idea that they were playing by the same rules as everyone else? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
Arnaud, Know what I totally cannot understand? Why is it that Twitter, through various spokespersons, continually reinforces the impression that they pay scant lip service to the alleged notion that they value the third party developer ecosystem? Under any circumstances, Do as I say, not as I do, is disrespectful and demonstrates that the intended audience of that approach is viewed by the perpetrators of the approach as occupying a lower and less privileged strata of society. It is disrespectful when you treat your kids that way. It is disrespectful when you treat your life partner that way. It is disrespectful when you treat your business partners that way. Does Twitter like pointing a loaded gun at its own foot and pulling the trigger, again and again? On May 6, 4:38 am, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Dewald, These rules apply to third party apps. @twittersuggests is not a third party app, but an experimental feature, developed and owned by Twitter. Now I can also understand this Do as I Say, not as I Do situation can be irritating. But I guess the best thing to do at this point is probably to share your thoughts on the experiment through his dedicated feedback form:https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/twitter.com/spreadsheet/viewform?fo... Arnaud / @rno On May 5, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Arnaud, That's comforting to know. With that being the case, can you please enlighten us as to why Twitter is apparently violating its own rules, which, as you said, are still in force and we all still are apparently expected to adhere to? Let me help you and quote from your rules the appropriate text: If you are automatically sending @reply messages or Mentions to a bunch of users, the recipients must request or approve this action in advance. Have any of the users targeted by @twittersuggests, which is sending automated @reply messages to a bunch of users, explicitly requested or approved this action in advance? If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. On May 5, 12:45 pm, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Hey Dewald, Neither our TOS nor our Automation Rules Best Practices (http://support.twitter.com/articles/76915) have changed since the launch of @twittersuggests experimental feature :) Arnaud / @rno http://twitter.com/rno On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:00 AM, TjL luo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: With reference to @twittersuggests, is other unsolicited @reply spam now also officially sanctioned by Twitter? When has Twitter ever given you the idea that they were playing by the same rules as everyone else? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker:http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
RE: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
Arnaud, If you guys want a suggestion on what Twitter should be working on then my list would include things that corporates would actually want to pay money for including analytics and analysis on who is viewing my tweets. The day Twitter pony up and start allowing paid accounts is the day I know their serious. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Edward (Ed) Borasky Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:12 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Cc: dpr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam It's an @reply spambot, pure and simple. There is no vetting of suggested users - it didn't take either me or Marshall Kirkpatrick long to find a tweeter that was not safe for work in @twittersuggests' stream. It's a bad idea - Twitter needs to quit screwing around with stuff like this and solve problems that keep people with budgets up at night! On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Dewald, These rules apply to third party apps. @twittersuggests is not a third party app, but an experimental feature, developed and owned by Twitter. Now I can also understand this Do as I Say, not as I Do situation can be irritating. But I guess the best thing to do at this point is probably to share your thoughts on the experiment through his dedicated feedback form: https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/twitter.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHJ6UnYwdFZ6aHNRRVJoTU1mYl9FMlE6MQ Arnaud / @rno On May 5, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Arnaud, That's comforting to know. With that being the case, can you please enlighten us as to why Twitter is apparently violating its own rules, which, as you said, are still in force and we all still are apparently expected to adhere to? Let me help you and quote from your rules the appropriate text: If you are automatically sending @reply messages or Mentions to a bunch of users, the recipients must request or approve this action in advance. Have any of the users targeted by @twittersuggests, which is sending automated @reply messages to a bunch of users, explicitly requested or approved this action in advance? If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. On May 5, 12:45 pm, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Hey Dewald, Neither our TOS nor our Automation Rules Best Practices (http://support.twitter.com/articles/76915) have changed since the launch of @twittersuggests experimental feature :) Arnaud / @rno http://twitter.com/rno On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:00 AM, TjL luo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: With reference to @twittersuggests, is other unsolicited @reply spam now also officially sanctioned by Twitter? When has Twitter ever given you the idea that they were playing by the same rules as everyone else? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
Arnaud, That's comforting to know. With that being the case, can you please enlighten us as to why Twitter is apparently violating its own rules, which, as you said, are still in force and we all still are apparently expected to adhere to? Let me help you and quote from your rules the appropriate text: If you are automatically sending @reply messages or Mentions to a bunch of users, the recipients must request or approve this action in advance. Have any of the users targeted by @twittersuggests, which is sending automated @reply messages to a bunch of users, explicitly requested or approved this action in advance? If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. On May 5, 12:45 pm, Arnaud Meunier arn...@twitter.com wrote: Hey Dewald, Neither our TOS nor our Automation Rules Best Practices (http://support.twitter.com/articles/76915) have changed since the launch of @twittersuggests experimental feature :) Arnaud / @rno http://twitter.com/rno On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:00 AM, TjL luo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: With reference to @twittersuggests, is other unsolicited @reply spam now also officially sanctioned by Twitter? When has Twitter ever given you the idea that they were playing by the same rules as everyone else? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Um… Yeah. Here's the thing: it's Twitter's playground. They can do whatever they want with it. Just because they do it, doesn't mean you can do it. I don't know what sort of universal, nature law you think applies here, but it doesn't. TjL -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: At Reply Spam
+1 It is Twitter's ball. On 5 May 2011, at 20:04, TjL wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: If not, then you may have de facto invalidated that section of your rules and by implication exempted all developers and applications from it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Um… Yeah. Here's the thing: it's Twitter's playground. They can do whatever they want with it. Just because they do it, doesn't mean you can do it. I don't know what sort of universal, nature law you think applies here, but it doesn't. TjL -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
