Re: [U-Boot] 2013 Plumber's CFP: Fastboot
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Mehaffey, John john_mehaf...@mentor.comwrote: Hello All, Hey John! I am proposing a microconference on fastboot at the Linux Plumber's conference 2013 in New Orleans. The goal is to get to sub 1S boot times for a large (IVI) system using NAND flash. This pushes the state of the art, and will require innovative solutions in may areas of Linux plumbing, including bootloader, kernel init, UBI, and systemd. Note that fastboot improvements will (generally) help all architectures so I am not limiting this to automotive systems. Please visit http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013:fastboot for more information or if you want to submit a topic. I've linked to your micrconference from the automotive microconference: http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013:automotive I'm a bit confused about the LPC format though. John, is it planned to have the non-Android fastboot discussion as part of the automotive microconference or is this separate (despite its automotive relevance.) I ask because it might be nice to have the participants in both microconferences and it would be a shame to lose attendees to one or the other if they're competing tracks. Can someone clue me in to the microconference format as regards LPC? Thanks, Jeremiah ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] 2013 Plumber's CFP: Fastboot
Dear Mehaffey, John, On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:51:46 +, Mehaffey, John wrote: I am proposing a microconference on fastboot at the Linux Plumber's conference 2013 in New Orleans. The goal is to get to sub 1S boot times for a large (IVI) system using NAND flash. This pushes the state of the art, and will require innovative solutions in may areas of Linux plumbing, including bootloader, kernel init, UBI, and systemd. Beware that the 'fastboot' you're talking about (making Linux boot fast), especially written this way, may easily be confused with 'fastboot', which is the Android-specific protocol to flash a system through USB (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_software_development#Fastboot). Besides this minor comment, I'm looking forward for the notes of this discussion on this very interesting topic. Best regards, Thomas -- Thomas Petazzoni, Free Electrons Kernel, drivers, real-time and embedded Linux development, consulting, training and support. http://free-electrons.com ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] 2013 Plumber's CFP: Fastboot
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Mehaffey, John john_mehaf...@mentor.com wrote: Hello All, I am proposing a microconference on fastboot at the Linux Plumber's conference 2013 in New Orleans. The goal is to get to sub 1S boot times for a large (IVI) system using NAND flash. This pushes the state of the art, and will require innovative solutions in may areas of Linux plumbing, including bootloader, kernel init, UBI, and systemd. Note that fastboot improvements will (generally) help all architectures so I am not limiting this to automotive systems. Please visit http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013:fastboot for more information or if you want to submit a topic. If you want to reply to this message, please trim the cc list! Why trimming the CC? Changing the CC list is a _very_ bad habit. Anyway, a few notes on UBI fastmap. Before we talk about optimizing it we have to make sure that it is stable. Currently it has not much users because embedded folks are a few kernel releases behind. I expect that we'll face some issues (hey it's software!). Instead of making the code more complicated we have to make very sure that it works well. Fastmap got much more complicated than I thought while developing the first proof of concept implementation. We also have to think more about userland support, e.g. making tools like ubinize fastmap aware... User want ready to use fastmap UBI images and not images which have to be converted by the kernel on the very first boot. Sharing UBI EBA table between U-Boot and the kernel would be a nice feature, but we also have to make sure that we can share the EBA table between two kernels (think of kexec). So, a more general solution is needed. -- Thanks, //richard ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] 2013 Plumber's CFP: Fastboot
From: richard -rw- weinberger [richard.weinber...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:10 AM To: Mehaffey, John Cc: tim.b...@am.sony.com; w...@denx.de; mz...@0pointer.net; kay.siev...@vrfy.org; Pomerantz, Brian; yo...@cs.msu.su; u-boot@lists.denx.de; genivi-...@mail.genivi.org; systemd-de...@lists.freedesktop.org; celinux-...@lists.celinuxforum.org; linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org; linux-embed...@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: 2013 Plumber's CFP: Fastboot On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Mehaffey, John john_mehaf...@mentor.com wrote: Hello All, I am proposing a microconference on fastboot at the Linux Plumber's conference 2013 in New Orleans. The goal is to get to sub 1S boot times for a large (IVI) system using NAND flash. This pushes the state of the art, and will require innovative solutions in may areas of Linux plumbing, including bootloader, kernel init, UBI, and systemd. Note that fastboot improvements will (generally) help all architectures so I am not limiting this to automotive systems. Please visit http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013:fastboot for more information or if you want to submit a topic. If you want to reply to this message, please trim the cc list! Why trimming the CC? Changing the CC list is a _very_ bad habit. Thanks for the advice. Anyway, a few notes on UBI fastmap. Before we talk about optimizing it we have to make sure that it is stable. Currently it has not much users because embedded folks are a few kernel releases behind. I expect that we'll face some issues (hey it's software!). Instead of making the code more complicated we have to make very sure that it works well. Fastmap got much more complicated than I thought while developing the first proof of concept implementation. This is good software practice, but is out of scope for this uconf. Fastmap will be getting more usage in the future as systems deploy using it. I think that low-hanging fruit to speed things up, such as Brian's RB-tree lookup, can proceed in parallel with testing and stabilization (hey, it's open-source software :) We also have to think more about userland support, e.g. making tools like ubinize fastmap aware... User want ready to use fastmap UBI images and not images which have to be converted by the kernel on the very first boot. Sharing UBI EBA table between U-Boot and the kernel would be a nice feature, but we also have to make sure that we can share the EBA table between two kernels (think of kexec). So, a more general solution is needed. -- Thanks, //richard Thanks for your feedback, I agree that these are things that should also be looked at! -mehaf ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
[U-Boot] 2013 Plumber's CFP: Fastboot
Hello All, I am proposing a microconference on fastboot at the Linux Plumber's conference 2013 in New Orleans. The goal is to get to sub 1S boot times for a large (IVI) system using NAND flash. This pushes the state of the art, and will require innovative solutions in may areas of Linux plumbing, including bootloader, kernel init, UBI, and systemd. Note that fastboot improvements will (generally) help all architectures so I am not limiting this to automotive systems. Please visit http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013:fastboot for more information or if you want to submit a topic. If you want to reply to this message, please trim the cc list! Sincerely, John Mehaffey Senior System Architect (Automotive) Mentor Graphics Corporation ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
