Re: [U2] Slow ascii output

[Mark Johnson]

Keep in mind that 16MB for 32 users is 250 times the memory available circa
late 1970s' with the Microdata Royale series.

There's something to be said for programming on an older system that gives
you respect for todays horsepower. I experience this first hand every other
week when visiting my Microdata client from my normal U2/D3 client base.
While you can't get really technically sophisticated as with the current
systems, you do become more effecient when programming within limits.
Perhaps the single thing I miss the most when programming on this old system
is the fact that I cannot use external subroutiness as freely as on every
other platform. I have a whole bunch of handy subs that I install on all of
my clients but have to convert them to INCLUDES if I want to use them there.
Microdatas don't like mixing RUN and cataloged programs together.

My 1 cent.
Mark Johnson


- Original Message -
From: "Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] Slow ascii output


> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Claus Derlien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> >no one and I mean NO ONE uses a system with 16 MB ram today!
> >
> >we have 65 users on 2 gig ram, and when we do payments of unemployment
> >salaries to our members we do everything in memory, and just write the
> >edi file to a record a large batch takes less than two minutes and it
> >also generates payment specifications for storage in pdf format (using
> >cross pdf package).
> >oh and we also do an xml conversion of the edi file on the fly aswell..
> >UniVerse is really a top performer when it comes to number crunching
> >and file management
> >how do you power a 16 meg system today ?? - with steam ?
>
> Note the use of the PAST tense. That machine is now salvage in my
> garage, waiting for me to restore it to personal use.
>
> I was just pointing out that MMV, and some things may work for some
> people and not for others. Why we were trying to run 32 users on 16 meg,
> even when the system was brand new (1990ish), I don't know.
> Penny-pinching, I guess.
>
> It's just that WRITESEQ makes a lot of sense when you're building BIG
> strings and are short of RAM...
> >
> >Med venlig hilsen
> >
> >Claus Derlien
> >programmxr
> >Edb-afdelingen
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
> >
> >> Our system was short of RAM - 16 meg for 32 users (PI/Open on
> >> an EXL 7330). It thrashed enough under normal load, even
> >> before you started to try and build large (and I mean LARGE)
> >> strings in BASIC...
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Wol
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Re: [U2] Slow ascii output

[Anthony W. Youngman]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Claus Derlien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

no one and I mean NO ONE uses a system with 16 MB ram today!

we have 65 users on 2 gig ram, and when we do payments of unemployment 
salaries to our members we do everything in memory, and just write the 
edi file to a record a large batch takes less than two minutes and it 
also generates payment specifications for storage in pdf format (using 
cross pdf package).
oh and we also do an xml conversion of the edi file on the fly aswell.. 
UniVerse is really a top performer when it comes to number crunching 
and file management

how do you power a 16 meg system today ?? - with steam ?


Note the use of the PAST tense. That machine is now salvage in my 
garage, waiting for me to restore it to personal use.


I was just pointing out that MMV, and some things may work for some 
people and not for others. Why we were trying to run 32 users on 16 meg, 
even when the system was brand new (1990ish), I don't know. 
Penny-pinching, I guess.


It's just that WRITESEQ makes a lot of sense when you're building BIG 
strings and are short of RAM...


Med venlig hilsen

Claus Derlien
programmxr
Edb-afdelingen


Cheers,
Wol



Our system was short of RAM - 16 meg for 32 users (PI/Open on
an EXL 7330). It thrashed enough under normal load, even
before you started to try and build large (and I mean LARGE)
strings in BASIC...

Cheers,
Wol
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graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the
thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said
Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe
Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site -
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thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man
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