[U2] MV - VCS configuration control

2007-02-14 Thread Susan Joslyn
Hi David, everyone.
Of course everyone knows that I'm PRC, but I just wanted to poke my head
in and let you know that Perforce is not an MV tool.  It's an outside
(windows mainly?) tool, but Jim Idle was using it in-house to manage jbase
development.  So that's how it started getting talked about in the MV
community.

You can use outside tools ... you can create great or small wrappers from
within U2 ... depends on how much time you want to spend on it.  Then you
can manage the stuff that is visible from outside.  In the case of U2 that's
directory (program) files, only. In the case of D3, I'm pretty sure that's
nothing. 

PRC - just in case there's anyone on this list who hasn't heard! - is a
completely integrated change control tool that provides start to finish
life-cycle management to take IT from either a little more convenience and
control all the way to SOX compliance -- and all stages in between.  It
works in and on the Multivalue environment, so all file types (dictionary
items, etc.) are handled in the same way.  It provides a completely
automated solution -- no extra steps that have to be remembered.


Even if you didn't mind writing a wrapper to feed the check-in and check-out
to an outside tool, that's all you've got. PRC already has a complete
infrastructure for the security framework, automated notification, test
plans, the delivery (and undelivery).  All done, hundreds of installations,
15 years mature.

Regards,
Susan Joslyn
SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc.
PRC(r) Real software configuration management for U2 / Multivalue.
http://sjplus.com


Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:41:58 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [U2] MV - VCS configuration control

I have posted this to comp.databases.pick group also ..

A client is looking to move to a 'vcs' process.  They are D3 (unix) shop but
are looking to a 'windows/unix' solution.  I was asked if there were any MV
products and I mentioned the few that I had heard of being used in the mv
world.  PRC and preforce (not sure how to search the history of u2ug.org).

If there are any others being used for MV configuration - source control,
either MV specific OR easy to link to MV I would like to know.

Thanks

DSig
David Tod Sigafoos
SigsSolutions, Inc.
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[U2] A trail of bread crumbs

2007-02-14 Thread Susan Joslyn
Perry,
Thanks! That's exactly what I needed at this point, because I created a
program to do the same thing in Unidata and just wasn't sure what the
structure of that system variable output was in Universe.  Now I have it!
Thanks! (and to everyone else who contributed)

The coolest thing about this -- I'm using it in a file trigger so I can
trace exactly where the write that launched the trigger occurred.  On
Unidata it includes the actual line number.  Sweet!

Susan

Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:46:32 -0500
From: Perry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [U2] A trail of bread crumbs
FUNCTION CALLSTACK
!
* RETURN ATTRIBUTE-DELMITED CALLSTACK
*
* 07/08/2004
* PERRY TAYLOR
!
* FORM THE STACK *

  CALLSTK = DELETE(SYSTEM(9001), 1)

  FOR AMC = DCOUNT(CALLSTK, @AM) TO 1 STEP -1

 IF LEN(CALLSTKAMC) THEN

FILESPEC = CALLSTKAMC, 2

CALLSTKAMC = ''

FOR NC = LEN(FILESPEC) TO 1 STEP -1

   CH = FILESPEC[NC, 1]
   IF CH = '/' OR CH = '\' THEN EXIT

   CALLSTKAMC = CH: CALLSTKAMC

NEXT NC
   
 END ELSE

CALLSTK = DELETE(CALLSTK, AMC)

 END

  NEXT AMC

  RETURN(CALLSTK) 


Is that what you were looking for, Gretel?

Perry
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Re: [U2] MV - VCS configuration control

2007-02-14 Thread Charles Barouch
Susan,
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Susan Joslyn wrote:
| PRC
- just in case there's anyone on this list who hasn't heard! - is a
completely integrated change control tool that provides start to finish
life-cycle management to take IT from either a little more convenience and
control all the way to SOX compliance -- and all stages in between.  It
works in and on the Multivalue environment, so all file types (dictionary
items, etc.) are handled in the same way.  It provides a completely
automated solution -- no extra steps that have to be remembered.
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RE: Spam:[U2] MV - VCS configuration control

2007-02-14 Thread Brenda Price
We happen to be discussing PRC at the moment here.

Just curious will it work with other environments besides multi-value?
Our company has multiple developing environments.  

Brenda Price
Affiliated Acceptance Corporation

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Subject: Spam:[U2] MV - VCS configuration control

Hi David, everyone.
Of course everyone knows that I'm PRC, but I just wanted to poke my
head
in and let you know that Perforce is not an MV tool.  It's an outside
(windows mainly?) tool, but Jim Idle was using it in-house to manage
jbase
development.  So that's how it started getting talked about in the MV
community.

You can use outside tools ... you can create great or small wrappers
from
within U2 ... depends on how much time you want to spend on it.  Then
you
can manage the stuff that is visible from outside.  In the case of U2
that's
directory (program) files, only. In the case of D3, I'm pretty sure
that's
nothing. 

PRC - just in case there's anyone on this list who hasn't heard! - is a
completely integrated change control tool that provides start to finish
life-cycle management to take IT from either a little more convenience
and
control all the way to SOX compliance -- and all stages in between.  It
works in and on the Multivalue environment, so all file types
(dictionary
items, etc.) are handled in the same way.  It provides a completely
automated solution -- no extra steps that have to be remembered.


Even if you didn't mind writing a wrapper to feed the check-in and
check-out
to an outside tool, that's all you've got. PRC already has a complete
infrastructure for the security framework, automated notification, test
plans, the delivery (and undelivery).  All done, hundreds of
installations,
15 years mature.

Regards,
Susan Joslyn
SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc.
PRC(r) Real software configuration management for U2 / Multivalue.
http://sjplus.com


Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:41:58 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [U2] MV - VCS configuration control

I have posted this to comp.databases.pick group also ..

A client is looking to move to a 'vcs' process.  They are D3 (unix) shop
but
are looking to a 'windows/unix' solution.  I was asked if there were any
MV
products and I mentioned the few that I had heard of being used in the
mv
world.  PRC and preforce (not sure how to search the history of
u2ug.org).

If there are any others being used for MV configuration - source
control,
either MV specific OR easy to link to MV I would like to know.

Thanks

DSig
David Tod Sigafoos
SigsSolutions, Inc.
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RE: [U2] MV - VCS configuration control

2007-02-14 Thread brian
Whilst we're on the subject, I've just scribbled - sorry, carefully crafed - an 
article on using CVS or SubVersion for the March issue of Spectrum magazine 
(for anyone who doesn't subscribe - shame on you - you can find it at 
www.intl-spectrum.com).

These are not a substitute for a true MV-centric program control, but can be 
effective none-the-less if you are prepared to invest in appropriate management 
controls. I've used CVS in the past to manage client/server projects where I 
needed to tie together versions originating from different platforms and 
languages. CVS revision tagging is extremely useful for this, as is virtual PC 
as a platform onto which to extract working copies/history revisions. 

And if you're just after a simple version repository without requiring much 
thought or layout, SubVersion with a copy of TortioseSVN on your PCs is a 
simple and cool combination.

Brian
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[U2] U2 user group in Australia. Is ther one?

2007-02-14 Thread Jeff Marcos
Hi all,



Is anyone aware of a scheduled U2 user group meeting in Sydney or even
Australia?

Is there a need for one?



Regards,

Jeff Marcos

* Phone:  +612 9335 0104
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