RE: [U2] Updating UV/UD PE
Mind you, AS ALWAYS :-), they were only coping someone else! Ever wondered why \ is the path delimiter in Windows? Because when Gary Kildall wrote CP/M he used / as a valid character in a file name... (Okay, Unix wasn't so ubiquitous in those days.) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug Sent: 02 October 2008 20:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Updating UV/UD PE This may be true but it really isn't a smart move even in windows, almost everything in programming is delimited by spaces. Personally I think it was one of the dumbest things implemented by MS. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boydell, Stuart Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:04 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Updating UV/UD PE CREATE.FILE FILE WITH SPACES IN'T 30 Creating file FILE WITH SPACES IN'T as Type 30. Creating file D_FILE WITH SPACES IN'T as Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Added @ID, the default record for RetrieVe, to D_FILE WITH SPACES IN'T. -Original Message- I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here, but never mind ... Don't forget UV comes from a heritage where space was an illegal character in file names. (And it still is, for quite a lot of other programs that run under Windows, too. Spaces cause me grief, even in Windows itself!) ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
Well, I got an error with option #1, but option #2 worked fine. I'll just go with that way for now. Thanks. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Tony G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike. Three methods come to mind. 1) start /b c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM 2) Some people may prefer a script, so here is how to do it like that. Create a text file called uvphantom.vbs with the contents below. You can do this from BASIC and customize as required. ;) You can also do this with just two lines but I broke it into four, to avoid email wrapping here. Set objShell = CreateObject(WScript.Shell) uvexec = c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe command = PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM output = phantom_output.txt objShell.Run cmd /c uvexec command output, 0, False The /c in the last line means close the a window as soon as the command finishes, assuming a window gets a chance to open. The 0 means hide the output (you can also use 7). The False means don't wait for the command to finish, just spawn the task and move on. Now with task scheduler, execute: wscript c:\path\to\uvphantom.vbs Since I know you work with C#, you can also use System.Diagnostics.Process if you want to do more rigourous handling of output, maybe completely wrap the process. HTH T From: Mike Roosa I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
We run batch files from the Scheduler which use uvsh.exe to call catalogged UV programs or Paragraphs. Eric Armstrong Lobel Financial -Original Message- From: Mike Roosa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:41 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? Thanks, Mike Roosa --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
Mike: How well did the instructions I sent you work? Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Roosa Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:48 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler Well, I got an error with option #1, but option #2 worked fine. I'll just go with that way for now. Thanks. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Tony G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike. Three methods come to mind. 1) start /b c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM 2) Some people may prefer a script, so here is how to do it like that. Create a text file called uvphantom.vbs with the contents below. You can do this from BASIC and customize as required. ;) You can also do this with just two lines but I broke it into four, to avoid email wrapping here. Set objShell = CreateObject(WScript.Shell) uvexec = c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe command = PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM output = phantom_output.txt objShell.Run cmd /c uvexec command output, 0, False The /c in the last line means close the a window as soon as the command finishes, assuming a window gets a chance to open. The 0 means hide the output (you can also use 7). The False means don't wait for the command to finish, just spawn the task and move on. Now with task scheduler, execute: wscript c:\path\to\uvphantom.vbs Since I know you work with C#, you can also use System.Diagnostics.Process if you want to do more rigourous handling of output, maybe completely wrap the process. HTH T From: Mike Roosa I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Copying UV data
Re: UV 10.1 on Linux Is there any tricks to picking up a data account from one system and porting it over to another? Do we have to stop UV before the move, or can it be paused like with Unidata? -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] RE: spaces in file names
For reference, Windows still stores path/file names internally in short 8.3 format. Support for long names and additional characters was added in Windows 95 as an abstraction (a view) over that for common usage where non-technical people want to use file names like: J. Jones Budget, 2007-2008 (revised).doc Chelsea smashed! at homecoming '07.jpg Windows was designed to be an operating system for home users and later became a server. (Most people forget that PC stands for Personal Computer.) Macintosh supported long, friendly filenames back in 1984 for the same reasons. Unix is a system for engineers, not intended to be used by people creating OS-level filenames for their docs or pictures. Now, just to be clear, I didn't suggest that DBMS files should be allowed to have spaces in them, like CUSTOMER MASTER. I was giving IBM a little grief for not making use of a file system enhancement which was added to Windows 13 years ago so that we can put IBM programs under Program Files. There's no need for *nix compatibility at this level, commands like uv, udt, UniAdmin, and the UniSDK tools are all platform-specific, OS-level programs, and have nothing to do with the data in the DBMS. It's almost understandable that paths to data may give the DBMS grief if they contain spaces, like: D:\Data Sources\ABC Company\UV\Accounts\WAREHOUSE But even in this case, if ported to *nix anyone would know to move that to something more appropriate like: /home/data/abc_company/uv/acccounts/WAREHOUSE In either case, the DBMS-level file system should abstract the MV DBA from OS-level issues. For example, we should be allowed to create files like the following without OS-related issues: .TEMP OPEN-A/R CUSTMAST*DEPT That said, the CREATE.FILE verb should also prevent the creation of filenames that are commonly agreed as being a bad idea, like CUSTOMER MASTER. As always (like case sensitivity) this whole situation is just another case of engineers who decide not to make changes because they speak Unix and they expect the rest of the world to do so as well. The burden is not on them to make software work for the target OS but on developers to have to know how another OS works so that they understand why their own platform isn't working. That's just lazy and backwards thinking. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Copying UV data
SUSPEND ON Copy SUSPEND OFF Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Copying UV data Re: UV 10.1 on Linux Is there any tricks to picking up a data account from one system and porting it over to another? Do we have to stop UV before the move, or can it be paused like with Unidata? -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: spaces in file names
Do you wake up on the wrong side of the bed every morning? Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony G Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] RE: spaces in file names For reference, Windows still stores path/file names internally in short 8.3 format. Support for long names and additional characters was added in Windows 95 as an abstraction (a view) over that for common usage where non-technical people want to use file names like: J. Jones Budget, 2007-2008 (revised).doc Chelsea smashed! at homecoming '07.jpg Windows was designed to be an operating system for home users and later became a server. (Most people forget that PC stands for Personal Computer.) Macintosh supported long, friendly filenames back in 1984 for the same reasons. Unix is a system for engineers, not intended to be used by people creating OS-level filenames for their docs or pictures. Now, just to be clear, I didn't suggest that DBMS files should be allowed to have spaces in them, like CUSTOMER MASTER. I was giving IBM a little grief for not making use of a file system enhancement which was added to Windows 13 years ago so that we can put IBM programs under Program Files. There's no need for *nix compatibility at this level, commands like uv, udt, UniAdmin, and the UniSDK tools are all platform-specific, OS-level programs, and have nothing to do with the data in the DBMS. It's almost understandable that paths to data may give the DBMS grief if they contain spaces, like: D:\Data Sources\ABC Company\UV\Accounts\WAREHOUSE But even in this case, if ported to *nix anyone would know to move that to something more appropriate like: /home/data/abc_company/uv/acccounts/WAREHOUSE In either case, the DBMS-level file system should abstract the MV DBA from OS-level issues. For example, we should be allowed to create files like the following without OS-related issues: .TEMP OPEN-A/R CUSTMAST*DEPT That said, the CREATE.FILE verb should also prevent the creation of filenames that are commonly agreed as being a bad idea, like CUSTOMER MASTER. As always (like case sensitivity) this whole situation is just another case of engineers who decide not to make changes because they speak Unix and they expect the rest of the world to do so as well. The burden is not on them to make software work for the target OS but on developers to have to know how another OS works so that they understand why their own platform isn't working. That's just lazy and backwards thinking. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Copying UV data
With HP-Ux it is no problem at all. I do not stop or pause UV. I just copy the data files. I have been doing this once-a-day for the last two years. To be prudent, with a recent backup available, after hours. Just copy from A to B and then do a spot-check test it in both A and B. Or just shoot from the hip. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Copying UV data Re: UV 10.1 on Linux Is there any tricks to picking up a data account from one system and porting it over to another? Do we have to stop UV before the move, or can it be paused like with Unidata? -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
FW: [U2] Copying UV data
Sorry it should be SUSPEND.FILES ON and SUSPEND.FILES OFF Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: jpb-u2ug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:23 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Copying UV data SUSPEND ON Copy SUSPEND OFF Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Copying UV data Re: UV 10.1 on Linux Is there any tricks to picking up a data account from one system and porting it over to another? Do we have to stop UV before the move, or can it be paused like with Unidata? -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: spaces in file names
jpb-u2ug wrote: Do you wake up on the wrong side of the bed every morning? snip Um, I'm not sure why you found what Tony wrote offensive. I thought it was a reasonable presentation of his point of view. -- Allen Egerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 860-912-8067 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: spaces in file names
Not offensive, I just think he sounds angry in a lot of his emails. He really should watch his blood pressure. -- From: Allen Egerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] RE: spaces in file names jpb-u2ug wrote: Do you wake up on the wrong side of the bed every morning? snip Um, I'm not sure why you found what Tony wrote offensive. I thought it was a reasonable presentation of his point of view. -- Allen Egerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 860-912-8067 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
